XP pots are lying and not giving enough bonus
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »There are plenty of bonuses in the game that are multiplicative with other bonuses.
For example? I cannot think of any off hand.
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✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »There are plenty of bonuses in the game that are multiplicative with other bonuses.
For example? I cannot think of any off hand.
The only multiplicative bonuses are Champion point modifiers which were added after that fact in their own game system.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Just for the record... I'm not defending ZOS's decision to make them not multiplicative. Would I prefer they were multiplicative? Sure! Who wouldn't?Emma_Eunjung wrote: »...
I'm defending against anyone making the assumption that they were multiplicative. Nowhere does it state that they are, and every other XP bonus in the game is additive. There's absolutely no reason to assume that the scroll XP bonus would be compounded after all your other bonuses.
{edited to make my post make more sense, after the post that I quoted was moderated...}Edited by Divinius on August 4, 2015 4:59PM2 -
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Hold on buddy... I'm not defending ZOS's decision to make them not multiplicative. Would I prefer they were multiplicative? Sure! Who wouldn't?Emma_Eunjung wrote: »
There are plenty of bonuses in the game that are multiplicative with other bonuses. If pay COLD HARD CASH for a bonus, I expect it to be multiplicative!
I'm defending against anyone making the assumption that they were multiplicative. Nowhere does it state that they are, and every other XP bonus in the game is additive. There's absolutely no reason to assume that the scroll XP bonus would be compounded after all your other bonuses.
He's always being outraged at something or another.
Who cares how the bonus is calculated? I only use the bonus so others don't get an advantage against me when I'm grinding.
If you're spending Crowns on Experience scrolls...I don't know what to tell you. 40K equivalent in in-game gold for 1000 Crowns? Lol.
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Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭It stacks but the bonus is still only going to be 50% of the base XP. Just like eso plus is 10% of base xp, Ring of mara is 10% of base xp, and grouping is 10% of base xp. add all three and you're getting a 80% bonus to base Xp. Stacks just fine just doesn't multiply the bonus xpEdited by Sithisvoid on August 4, 2015 4:24PM0 -
Frawr✭✭✭✭✭To name a few,
Divines is compound.
Bosmer stam regeneration is compound (hence the high bosmer NB regen)
Exploration enchant (i think) is compound
Interest rates are compound too!Edited by Frawr on August 4, 2015 4:43PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »There are plenty of bonuses in the game that are multiplicative with other bonuses.
For example? I cannot think of any off hand.
Regen. Nobody would be hitting 6600 Stamina Regen without the magic of multipliers. See here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/202700/i-made-a-bosmer-nb-with-6-6k-stam-regen-can-we-have-softcaps-back-now/p2#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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As a fellow accountant, I totally understand why it comes to mind, but... it's 100% irrelevant to the matter at hand and MMOs in general. Unless you're playing EVE Online, I guess.Interest rates are compound too!
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »There are plenty of bonuses in the game that are multiplicative with other bonuses.
For example? I cannot think of any off hand.
Regen. Nobody would be hitting 6600 Stamina Regen without the magic of multipliers. See here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/202700/i-made-a-bosmer-nb-with-6-6k-stam-regen-can-we-have-softcaps-back-now/p2
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✭Would I like exp bonus to be multiplicative? Yes
in the bigger scheme of things, would it create more issue for exp scrolls on crown store to be considered as p2w? I highly believe so.
Just because you want it for self interest, doesn't mean it's good for the game. I'd rather stick to what it is now - additive , than have yet again another round of p2w threads that surfaced a few months ago.Edited by Qyrk on August 4, 2015 11:53PM0 -
Markaeus✭✭It's okay because given the passives in Provisioning, you'll always end up with more EXP gained using the crafted exp DRINKS vs. the Crown store SCROLLS.. so given that information, it's better to spend time in game, get the crafted ones, put your passives in, and gain more exp that way.. and NOT have to spend your hard earned money on crowns for the scrolls you get there..
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Frawr✭✭✭✭✭It's okay because given the passives in Provisioning, you'll always end up with more EXP gained using the crafted exp DRINKS vs. the Crown store SCROLLS.. so given that information, it's better to spend time in game, get the crafted ones, put your passives in, and gain more exp that way.. and NOT have to spend your hard earned money on crowns for the scrolls you get there..
This is true. but 2 problems
1, I am lazy
2, I have spare crowns because I don't buy fluff.0 -
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No you don't. The amount of extra XP is always the same. 50%. Comparison of durations does not make any sense since the effort to acquire 1 perfect roe and the effort to acquire 1 scroll is the age old time vs. money discussion.It's okay because given the passives in Provisioning, you'll always end up with more EXP gained using the crafted exp DRINKS vs. the Crown store SCROLLS.. so given that information, it's better to spend time in game, get the crafted ones, put your passives in, and gain more exp that way.. and NOT have to spend your hard earned money on crowns for the scrolls you get there..
Both items are completely the same. They have an identical effect. A time limited player who prefers to have his grinds in discrete, small doses, will prefer Ambrosia because the 50 min duration does allow him to play what he really wants for the second hour of his allotted game time. A player that is severely money-limited with a lot of time on his hands will also prefer the Ambrosia.
A player who has funds to spare may tend to go for the scrolls, since for him it is easier to acquire real world funds than in game funds.
There is no quantifiable difference in "goodness" between scrolls and ambrosia. This also means it is in no way P2W and as long as Ambrosia and Scrolls get the same treatment, also changing it to a multiplicative stacking does not justify a new P2W discussion.
That said, increasing the total bonus on experience gain even further than now only exacerbates the profound problem of diverging player power. The still very much required change to all forms of experience gain bonus is that it universally needs to stop working upon reaching max level.Edited by Leandor on August 5, 2015 8:09AM0 -
Frawr✭✭✭✭✭My original point was this.
I am buying a potion that says that it will increase my xp by 50%. There were no caveats. It didn't say '50% of my base xp'. It said 50%.
what other games and companies do is irrelevant.
They are selling an increase of 50% and I did not receive what I was advertised.
I wish that they would advertise it accurately or make it the 50% as advertised. I don't think that I am asking a lot to simply know what I am buying and then receive what I thought that I paid for.
@ZOS_GinaBruno this is a reasonable request isn't it?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My original point was this.
I am buying a potion that says that it will increase my xp by 50%. There were no caveats. It didn't say '50% of my base xp'. It said 50%.
what other games and companies do is irrelevant.
They are selling an increase of 50% and I did not receive what I was advertised.
I wish that they would advertise it accurately or make it the 50% as advertised. I don't think that I am asking a lot to simply know what I am buying and then receive what I thought that I paid for.
@ZOS_GinaBruno this is a reasonable request isn't it?
Did they remove that bit from the item description? A version of the description I saw before said something like this:
You gain a 50% Experience Point bonus from all sources for 2 hours. (Current maximum: 50% more than base, limit of 10% of the XP needed to level per event.)
That definitely states that it's scaled off the base XP. If that text is not there any more, they need to put it back in.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Frawr✭✭✭✭✭My original point was this.
I am buying a potion that says that it will increase my xp by 50%. There were no caveats. It didn't say '50% of my base xp'. It said 50%.
what other games and companies do is irrelevant.
They are selling an increase of 50% and I did not receive what I was advertised.
I wish that they would advertise it accurately or make it the 50% as advertised. I don't think that I am asking a lot to simply know what I am buying and then receive what I thought that I paid for.
@ZOS_GinaBruno this is a reasonable request isn't it?
Did they remove that bit from the item description? A version of the description I saw before said something like this:
You gain a 50% Experience Point bonus from all sources for 2 hours. (Current maximum: 50% more than base, limit of 10% of the XP needed to level per event.)
That definitely states that it's scaled off the base XP. If that text is not there any more, they need to put it back in.
If that is there then I didn't see it and therefore my mistake completely.0 -
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You're probably right that it isn't, but if it isn't, they need to put it back
If that is there then I didn't see it and therefore my mistake completely.My original point was this.
I am buying a potion that says that it will increase my xp by 50%. There were no caveats. It didn't say '50% of my base xp'. It said 50%.
what other games and companies do is irrelevant.
They are selling an increase of 50% and I did not receive what I was advertised.
I wish that they would advertise it accurately or make it the 50% as advertised. I don't think that I am asking a lot to simply know what I am buying and then receive what I thought that I paid for.
@ZOS_GinaBruno this is a reasonable request isn't it?
Did they remove that bit from the item description? A version of the description I saw before said something like this:
You gain a 50% Experience Point bonus from all sources for 2 hours. (Current maximum: 50% more than base, limit of 10% of the XP needed to level per event.)
That definitely states that it's scaled off the base XP. If that text is not there any more, they need to put it back in.
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