Maybe the Pair Bonus does not stack. I have not duo'd up using these potions. I see a lot of people grinding as pairs, but don't know if they are using the potions or not. I did see the expected amount of exp when I used the potions a couple of times, but I was solo.

Do you have other xp buffs before the 800 xp. Ie pvp buff +15%, eso 10%, mara 10% ? Its base value may not be 800

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Do you have other xp buffs before the 800 xp. Ie pvp buff +15%, eso 10%, mara 10% ? Its base value may not be 800

Yeah,

A lot of stuff in ESO is like this.

if base XP is 500, then each modifier is used off the 500, not the new number generated by a previous bonus.

10% of 500 is 50
another 10% bonus is still 50, not 55 (10% of 550)

So 800 probably isn't the base.

You have at least is +10% for grouping before potion. There may be finesse in there someplace too. marfa maybe? PVP campaign bonuses are till in PVE right?

Frawr wrote: »

yes I expect this to be right. the calculation will be off a base number. I had group bonus and eso + bonus.

That should not matter. They are selling '50% xp increase' for real money. They're not selling '50% of base increase'.

It's not a flat 50% increase, it's a 50% increase of base Xp. it's their choice of how to make them work but they should be selling it accurately. There is no need to be misleading And to leave bad tastes in people's mouths.

I expected an increase of 50% on the numbers that I saw pre-use. That's what I paid for. That's what was sold.

ZoS, @ZOS_GinaBruno, please give us what you're actually advertising to us.

They are selling a '50% increase of XP'... just as you said... not a 50% increase of all XP bonuses, add-ons rewards and pay items.. You are getting exactly what they said they would provide. Bonuses are bonuses not XP.

If I give you a coupon for a store that says 50% off Ice cream. You don't get 50% off on chocolate sauce, sprinkles, cherries and whipped cream too... just because that is the way you eat ice cream.

G0ku wrote: »

We were told it stacks with all sources when they announced ambrosia afair.

It does stack. Stacking means you can have them all at the same time.

If it didn't stack, only the highest would have effect.

Why people use boosters is what I want to know, especially when they are considering catch-up system. I wouldnt want to spend tons of money on boosters and log in one day and see they are giving free CPs to everyone. I personally want to know the exact plan before spending money. 50% booster was obviously something for fishers.

Yes I understand the principle that each individual bonus is applied separately to the original base value.

The point that I am making is that it is not clear that this is the case and should be made clear. I see no reason why xp enhancements shouldn't be compound. To add to that, the concept of 'stacking bonuses' implies, to me, that they do in fact compound on top of each other instead of each applying it's bonus to the base amount.

All of this ends up being moot when I remember that they actually hide the numbers from us so that the % on the it is totally arbitrary without the original numbers from which to calculate it.

Please zos, please make the xp bonuses compound properly so that we get

1.0 base
1.1 inc eso+ 10%
1.21 inc duo group 10%
1.331 inc mara 10%
1.9965 inc xp pot 50%

This is how the world does interest rates and so it seems to be a reasonable way to interpret % increases.

Frawr wrote: »

Yes I understand the principle that each individual bonus is applied separately to the original base value.

The point that I am making is that it is not clear that this is the case and should be made clear. I see no reason why xp enhancements shouldn't be compound. To add to that, the concept of 'stacking bonuses' implies, to me, that they do in fact compound on top of each other instead of each applying it's bonus to the base amount.

All of this ends up being moot when I remember that they actually hide the numbers from us so that the % on the it is totally arbitrary without the original numbers from which to calculate it.

Please zos, please make the xp bonuses compound properly so that we get

1.0 base
1.1 inc eso+ 10%
1.21 inc duo group 10%
1.331 inc mara 10%
1.9965 inc xp pot 50%

This is how the world does interest rates and so it seems to be a reasonable way to interpret % increases.

I think that making the XP bonus additive (0.1+0.1+0.1+0.5 = 0.8) is more intuitive than what is presented above. It is easier to calculate, easier to verify, and easier to understand.

Edit: The reason that the 100% increase is not "proper" is that nowhere does the XP Pot bonus say it increases the benefit of Mara, ESO Plus, and Duo experience.

Yes you are correct. It was my interpretation.

I find the compound method to be more natural perhaps due to being an accountant. I can see what you mean when you demonstrate the simplicity of adding up the individual bonuses and multiplying at the end, however, it did not occur to me that they would use that method because they use the compound method for other things, like divines enchant bonuses.

It seems that they have used the simple method in order to lower the total xp gain so as to make it less of an increase.

I wonder why.

I mist admit that I have never checked the bonuses before. 10% here and there never really mattered much to me when you factor in the swings that come with pvp buffs.

@F7sus4 use a calculator and do 1.0 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.5 and see what answer you get. That is compound.

Sykis wrote: »

The only way the compound XP idea work is if its compounded in a way that the players want it to be. It would not be so lucrative if it compounded on a priority system the player didn't like I.e. If the pot was considered 1st in the calculation instead of the rings or the plus membership. So to make it fair, the increase is based on the base XP of the mob before other increases not compondeed so they don't have to add in a priority system on those XP increases. Just my thoughts.

That's not actually true if you do the math. As long as all of the bonuses are multiplicative, it doesn't matter what order you apply them in. It would only matter if some were multiplicative and others were additive.

That said, in this game, all XP bonuses have always stacked in an additive manner.

There are plenty of bonuses in the game that are multiplicative with other bonuses. If I pay COLD HARD CASH for a bonus, I expect it to be multiplicative!

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ZOS is about 50% as skilled at applying percentage modifiers as 25% of other games, around 60% of the time.

I have no idea what that means. Neither does ZOS

Seriously though, this should be a flat 50% increase to the final amount of xp. I'm 100% (:p) opposed to the pots in the first place, but they should at least fully work,