Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So this topic has gotten away from the point.

Discussions are around the idea and proposal of a text chat window and/or box within the social menu.
Placed here so there are no sacrifices to the gameplay UI and compatible with many different peripherals or devices.
This concept is to please and compromise those who want text chat and those who don't want text chat.
It's a common ground approach and pages back propose unique ways to manage or handle this proposal


Please let's continue this type of discussion and stop commenting on why "we personally" think, want, need, dislike, don't need and don't want things.
The purpose is not to convince Zenimax or another user why we may want or not want something.
The goal is to have a discussion in efforts to solidify a sound way for such a proposal to work without changing anything else other than what's added within the social tab.

Please continue on

Really dude?

There should be no comprimise. They need to add text chat. It will literally only enhance the gameplay. There is no other way around it. There is no comprimise. It is either add text chat, or watch as the console version become a ghost town.

Well as much as I agree with you that we absolutely do need text chat, I also just have to ask, what specifically do you object to in this particular compromise solution being discussed?
You say the game needs text chat, and thats what it offers, so what exactly is your issue with it?

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

linking items in chat via square on PS4 or X on Xbox One on item hilighted in your inventory, this would also open up text chat as well


Just add square link item in chat at the bottom along with the other options there.

On Xbox One, when opening your inventory, the X button is already in use for 'Assign' (to assign consumables to your quick select), however the Y button is for Actions. When Y is hit, another menu appears with things such as Destroy, Enchant, Charge, etc.. I dont see why Link to Text Chat can not be listed there as well, and when selected it can open the interactable text chat box in the Social tab with the selected item already linked, then one can just type in WTS, price, etc and send..
Also, on the Xbox, it seems none of the 'letter' buttons work when a quick select wheel is open. I dont know if there is a reason behind that or not, however after hitting 'menu' button, Y is assigned to voice chat settings. I suppose it could be possible to make this into just 'Chat', and when clicked then one would be given a choice between Voice or Text chat settings, but then again I doubt this would save any more time than just going to 'Social' then "Text Chat'.
Other than these minor differences between button assignments on Xbox and PS4, I have to say your ideas seem pretty good and workable to me. I just hope someone at ZOS might be paying attention as well..

Eriquito3 wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So this topic has gotten away from the point.

Discussions are around the idea and proposal of a text chat window and/or box within the social menu.
Placed here so there are no sacrifices to the gameplay UI and compatible with many different peripherals or devices.
This concept is to please and compromise those who want text chat and those who don't want text chat.
It's a common ground approach and pages back propose unique ways to manage or handle this proposal


Please let's continue this type of discussion and stop commenting on why "we personally" think, want, need, dislike, don't need and don't want things.
The purpose is not to convince Zenimax or another user why we may want or not want something.
The goal is to have a discussion in efforts to solidify a sound way for such a proposal to work without changing anything else other than what's added within the social tab.

Please continue on

Really dude?

There should be no comprimise. They need to add text chat. It will literally only enhance the gameplay. There is no other way around it. There is no comprimise. It is either add text chat, or watch as the console version become a ghost town.

Well as much as I agree with you that we absolutely do need text chat, I also just have to ask, what specifically do you object to in this particular compromise solution being discussed?
You say the game needs text chat, and thats what it offers, so what exactly is your issue with it?

The guy wants the text chat to be either comprised of quick chat options or to be in a secondary screen hidden in the start menu.

That is a comprise that is not needed. Just give us the same chat pc has.

Well quick chat is something else and I believe just wont work, but what was being discussed is text chat SETTINGS and a reply box in the Social menu (pretty much as easy to access as accessing ones inventory etc). The text chat box itself would appear on your game screen, same as PC, and would fade after 30 seconds or so of inactivity, just like PC.
This way, you could still watch/read text chat as you play the game, the only difference would be if you wished to text or reply, it would be done through the social tab, which again I dont really think is a large inconvenience compared to the inconvenience we have now with no text chat at all..

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

I want a standard text chat box that stays up at all times if I want to read it all the time while out adventuring and soloing etc ? I don't want some silly iPhone app on another screen , don't want something that has to be brought up if I want to read ongoing zone conversations or to type myself. Just as every other major console mmorpg has, I want text chat communication to be able to use all the time while I listen to the game also. Make it where you can turn it off and never see it, just as voice chat should be able to be disabled 100%, and also let those who want to use both use both. How anyone wants to deny someone a way to communicate that they never once would be forced to use I do not understand. Also it is very false that ESO is just doing it the "Console way". Other major mmorpg on consoles have standard text chat boxes. I don't want something that is "sometimes there" , neither do several others in this thread. I want to be able to talk and communicate all the time while adventuring just as I have in PC and console mmo's going back to the 90's.

On PC Im pretty sure my box fades with inactivity and comes back when active again. But I admit I have little experience with console mmorpg games, all mine have been on PC, so I have to ask how this would be done?
For example, Im running around killing things and have my text chat set to zone just running there in the corner of my screen. Then I see someone is selling the Sword of Death Ive been looking for a long time. Now on PC, I just swing the mouse over, right click on the guys name, select 'whisper', set the cursor in the reply box, type a message to him and send.
Now on Xbox I cant right click, heck I dont even have a mouse to swing over, and no empty buttons on the controller that can be assigned to activate the text box and switch from zone to whisper, so Im not sure how this can be done without bringing up another screen for replies?

if you're using a keyboard ... hit "enter" type /w (whisper) or /t (tell)

example /t (playername) I want to buy your sword of death

guy answers /r how much are you offering

you answer /r 1billion gold

/r =reply BTW

if you not using a keyboard going with my suggestion you open up quickchat/emote wheel window & hit a button, square for example on the PS4 ... that would allow you to use whatever you have set up for text chat imput, virtual keyboard, smartglass etc to have access to imput text in the text chat window.

Then just type in text like you would with a keyboard.

also switching chat tabs could be handled with text commands ... example /tab zone /tab guild /tab trade

yes it isn't as user friendly as point & click with the PC, but its streamlined & works with the imput devices we have available on the console.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Good luck...tried to offer support but....this topic is going no where again.
For those who made suggestions that have not be scrapped already by Zenimax or who took part in the discussion...it was nice to meet and share ideas with you.

OP...and Miiiirrrraaaa, best wishes

I'm out....

argue with you later ....

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

I want a standard text chat box that stays up at all times if I want to read it all the time while out adventuring and soloing etc ? I don't want some silly iPhone app on another screen , don't want something that has to be brought up if I want to read ongoing zone conversations or to type myself. Just as every other major console mmorpg has, I want text chat communication to be able to use all the time while I listen to the game also. Make it where you can turn it off and never see it, just as voice chat should be able to be disabled 100%, and also let those who want to use both use both. How anyone wants to deny someone a way to communicate that they never once would be forced to use I do not understand. Also it is very false that ESO is just doing it the "Console way". Other major mmorpg on consoles have standard text chat boxes. I don't want something that is "sometimes there" , neither do several others in this thread. I want to be able to talk and communicate all the time while adventuring just as I have in PC and console mmo's going back to the 90's.

On PC Im pretty sure my box fades with inactivity and comes back when active again. But I admit I have little experience with console mmorpg games, all mine have been on PC, so I have to ask how this would be done?
For example, Im running around killing things and have my text chat set to zone just running there in the corner of my screen. Then I see someone is selling the Sword of Death Ive been looking for a long time. Now on PC, I just swing the mouse over, right click on the guys name, select 'whisper', set the cursor in the reply box, type a message to him and send.
Now on Xbox I cant right click, heck I dont even have a mouse to swing over, and no empty buttons on the controller that can be assigned to activate the text box and switch from zone to whisper, so Im not sure how this can be done without bringing up another screen for replies?

if you're using a keyboard ... hit "enter" type /w (whisper) or /t (tell)

example /t (playername) I want to buy your sword of death

guy answers /r how much are you offering

you answer /r 1billion gold

/r =reply BTW

if you not using a keyboard going with my suggestion you open up quickchat/emote wheel window & hit a button, square for example on the PS4 ... that would allow you to use whatever you have set up for text chat imput, virtual keyboard, smartglass etc to have access to imput text in the text chat window.

Thanks for the explaining. Thats the part I was confused on, if one doesnt have a keyboard.. Nosam mentioned the other console mmorpg games, you dont have to bring up any wheel window, or anything else either to type into chat, I was wondering how they do this through the controller? Is there a button assigned on the controller to bring up an on-screen keyboard, so one doesnt have to go to another screen to activate it? I dont see how this would be possible in this particular game, or is it done in a different way?
I too would like to have a text chat box in the game screen that I can just reply straight into with my controller without bringing up a different screen, but having never played other console mmorpg games Im having trouble picturing how its done without a keyboard/mouse. Too many years on PC I guess lol

I don't care bout patches lol keep throwing them at me allday long I get just over 60meg download speed so it's all cool, and I voted yes as not everybody has an headset and the frustration as a healer of watching a noob tank think he's dps or a cloth wearer causing agro or pulling the entire dungeon on us and wiping the whole group every minute leading to massive repair payouts is annoying, being able to communicate with players in more ways makes the game more socialable leading to a bigger gaming community.

Dahkoht wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

I just dont see why we need to dilute the demand for an on screen text chat box at all. When I'm visiting my folks I play ff14 on a 7'' tv and can play and read and type with no problem at all. There is no reason this should not be implemented unless they have messed up their code so bad it cant be implemented or they have a truly ridiculous gameplay/immersion reason.

We can be united behind that as well you know. Changing a demand to a compromise because ZOS hasnt responded to it is ridiculous. If they are going to implement a compromise they are more than capable of coming up with the idea themselves and implementing it (I hope).

The real issue here remains their total lack of communication on the issue. And that is why I continue to log in elsewhere. I want to come back. All it takes from them is a word either way.

Too much to ask I guess.

There's isn't a technical reason , was in and they took it out.

And agree with the idea we don't have to agree to dilute or compromise what we are asking for. The two or three who ah e deemed themselves the speakers for console players ( laughable ) throw out an idea and we are supposed to be thankful.

Shows even more delusion on their part.

They know nothing more than any of us and can have their compromise 4th screen text wheel on a mirror reflected off a toaster if they want to suggest that.


Most of us just want the normal text chat window ( that they can turn off and never see ) every other major mmorpg on consoles has.


( deep down it just burns them lots of us would be happily communicating with text chat all over the zone for some reason )

Sorry, I was just offering suggestions

If you look at my post history you can see I have been arguing/asking for text chat to be put back in since we 1st found out they took it out just before the console beta.

I never implied I was the voice of the console player, I just offered counterpoints & agruements to the anti-text crowd.

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

I just dont see why we need to dilute the demand for an on screen text chat box at all. When I'm visiting my folks I play ff14 on a 7'' tv and can play and read and type with no problem at all. There is no reason this should not be implemented unless they have messed up their code so bad it cant be implemented or they have a truly ridiculous gameplay/immersion reason.

We can be united behind that as well you know. Changing a demand to a compromise because ZOS hasnt responded to it is ridiculous. If they are going to implement a compromise they are more than capable of coming up with the idea themselves and implementing it (I hope).

The real issue here remains their total lack of communication on the issue. And that is why I continue to log in elsewhere. I want to come back. All it takes from them is a word either way.

Too much to ask I guess.

There's isn't a technical reason , was in and they took it out.

And agree with the idea we don't have to agree to dilute or compromise what we are asking for. The two or three who ah e deemed themselves the speakers for console players ( laughable ) throw out an idea and we are supposed to be thankful.

Shows even more delusion on their part.

They know nothing more than any of us and can have their compromise 4th screen text wheel on a mirror reflected off a toaster if they want to suggest that.


Most of us just want the normal text chat window ( that they can turn off and never see ) every other major mmorpg on consoles has.


( deep down it just burns them lots of us would be happily communicating with text chat all over the zone for some reason )

Sorry, I was just offering suggestions

If you look at my post history you can see I have been arguing/asking for text chat to be put back in since we 1st found out they took it out just before the console beta.

I never implied I was the voice of the console player, I just offered counterpoints & agruements to the anti-text crowd.

Nothing wrong with offering suggestions and by all means continue to do so and i dont think people were referring to you in what they were saying (least I wasnt). If you want to see a chat box in the social menu you scream as loud as you like. The problem came from others who tried to make it sound like they were talking for others or trying to guide the discussion their way using language designed to make it sound like this was what people wanted all along and trying to tell us to take our wants and needs out of it. Well the exact point here is our wants and needs. Its a group of people coming together (or at least 80% of people) saying:

ZOS you made a mistake in not including a chat box. Thats fine mistakes happen and you shouldnt be penalised for trying new things but the overwhelming majority of people who have come to this forum to talk about this issue want this and you should fix it as soon as possible or at least let us know you are working on the fix.

Myself and many others would then come back to the game and start giving you money again.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Lately I have been spending more time in these forums than I have in the game.

Why?

Because I love ESO, and these forums are in text.

I have S.A.D. (Social Anxiety Disorder). (Yes, I know I shouldn't share this with internet "freaks".)
So, I don't like to HAVE to wear my headset, and verbally communicate with people all the time.

Before I play I take a look at my friend's list to see who else is playing.
And, if there are a lot of my "friends" in the game at the time, and I am not in the mood to talk verbally, I just don't log in.
Because as soon as friends/guildmates see a person log in they usually send a PSN Message, or ingame mail, saying something like; "party chat", or "guild chat".

I am an honest person.
But, sometimes I just have to lie and reply with "my headset is charging".
I HATE LYING!
And, I can't use that excuse all the time.
So, instead of lying to people, I just don't play as much as I would like to.

I have played MMORPGs going back as far as the Ultima Online Beta.
Text Chat has served me well.

The option to use text chat in this game would allow me to play it much more than I currently can.



Thank you for your time, and sorry for "sharing".

Good for you for being open about this. I too have a form of S.A.D except it's Seasonal Affective Disorder where during the winter months I tend to hibernate both physically and socially. For quite an extroverted person I find myself choking up and stuttering during any uneasy situations such as talking to strangers that may not even have mics in faction capitals and you can hear this in other people's choices when they do the same

. At the same time even when I'm in a better state text chat is super important and really needs to be implemented in eso for consoles. The best console mmo I've played so far is Warframe. Why? Because of text chat. Day two of playing warframe I was in a guild with like minded individuals and worked and played with them cohesively. I've got near two months and 400 hours on ESO and I've done all of 8 dungeons, 5 of which only basic dungeons with no proper healers or tanks or mics in a three man team.

Smh... anxiety disorders....

See devs! You are discriminating these people! They have legitimate disorders!

So add text chat now.

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..

This is A LOT like an idea i've had during a previous PM conversation. So basicly, you have the chatbox. That chatbox could be accessible by pressing enter if you have a keyboard, just like in Neverwinter, DCUO and FFXIV. But If you don't own a keyboard, you also can access that chatbox through Social menu. The way I've seen it goes like this:

If you have a keyboard:
Enter - Type - Enter

If you don't own a keyboard:
Go in menu -> Social -> Chatbox -> select the chatbar. That will display visual keyboard.

As for linking and other stuff:
Go in menu -> Social -> Chatbox.
From there your control is all about the chatbox.
-Selecting the text bar will open the visual keyboard as previously mentionned.
-Using Triangle (or x-box equivalent) while entering text would open inventory to link items.
-Using the Right stick up and down lets you scroll up and down.
-Using the D-Pad let's you highlight messages one by one to select for quick reply or watch linked items.
-Using X (or x-box equivalent) on a line does a quick reply to the sender.
-Using Triangle (or x-box equivalent) on a line shows linked items.
-Using L1 and R1 (or x-box equivalents) switches between tabs
-Using square (or X-box equivalent) on a line opens a pop-up menu with:

-Reply
-Invite to group
-Invite to guild
-Add to friend list
-Add to Ignore list
-Using Circle (or x-box equivalent) Gets you out of chatbox mode and back to playing the game.

And since going through the menu adds unnecessary steps, the " - " key of the keyboard could go straight to the "chatbox mode" in the eventuality that you owned a keyboard (and plugged it before turning on your X-box for you x-box guys).

They can also make it an option to make it either disabled, only visible in the social menu, always on screen, or vanishing.

So there you have it. There is no more reason to say that the gamepad is aleready fully mapped.

I don't see what the fuzz is about. Just give us a chat box on consoles, let users who choose to use it use a third party keyboard and everything is fine and dandy. So much for having a hard time typing. It'll run you probably 6$ for a basic keyboard. If you are planning on playing an MMO, with no sub fee... you should have enough to grab a basic KB.

For those who prefer using voice chat, well, let them toggle the chat off. Best of both worlds. Win, Win & Win. A third one for you Zeni team. Because you won't have to listen to us whine any more.

Given we are coming up on 400 votes I thought this might be of interest. Im sure there could easily quibble over the exact number and I only mean this to illustrate the point. And the point is that at the numbers we have there is only a +/- 5% margin of error. So taking that on the conservative side thats 75%/25% in favour of text chat.




p.s. I recognise there are a million holes you could poke in this but as I said im using this just to illustrate that going by the numbers of people who have so far voted the margin of error is really rather low.

edit: just to include source.

http://help.surveymonkey.com/articles/en_US/kb/How-many-respondents-do-I-need

Eriquito3 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Given we are coming up on 400 votes I thought this might be of interest. Im sure there could easily quibble over the exact number and I only mean this to illustrate the point. And the point is that at the numbers we have there is only a +/- 5% margin of error. So taking that on the conservative side thats 75%/25% in favour of text chat.




p.s. I recognise there are a million holes you could poke in this but as I said im using this just to illustrate that going by the numbers of people who have so far voted the margin of error is really rather low.

edit: just to include source.

http://help.surveymonkey.com/articles/en_US/kb/How-many-respondents-do-I-need

To add on to that. This is just from one topic out of how many that support text chat?

Oh I know but I was going from the numbers in vote on page 1.