They care about our feedback when they need it - therefore Imperial City. They are highly active on PTS part of forums where they ask for our feedbacks and they have their own chart of things to focus on.

Ignoring on purpose or limited resources?

If I recall correctly there were huge layoffs at ZOS a few months ago.

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

They care about our feedback when they need it - therefore Imperial City. They are highly active on PTS part of forums where they ask for our feedbacks and they have their own chart of things to focus on.

Yeah, its obvious they are active on PTS forums but still they are containing themselfs within IC relatead matters (while the next patch is BOTH IC AND Base game patch)

They mentioned it in ESO live iirc. They pretty much said this odds are won't change, that they did it in order to bring more skill into tanking, and only if it turned out on live to pretty much screw all tanks completely that they'd change it. They did mention they've heard the feedback, but that since PTS has gone live with the new patch they've gotten a lot more positive feedback for the change.

Anzriel wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

They care about our feedback when they need it - therefore Imperial City. They are highly active on PTS part of forums where they ask for our feedbacks and they have their own chart of things to focus on.

Yeah, its obvious they are active on PTS forums but still they are containing themselfs within IC relatead matters (while the next patch is BOTH IC AND Base game patch)

They mentioned it in ESO live iirc. They pretty much said this odds are won't change, that they did it in order to bring more skill into tanking, and only if it turned out on live to pretty much screw all tanks completely that they'd change it. They did mention they've heard the feedback, but that since PTS has gone live with the new patch they've gotten a lot more positive feedback for the change.

Yeah, the super secret positive feedback that noone but ZOS sees.

Turelus wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

They care about our feedback when they need it - therefore Imperial City. They are highly active on PTS part of forums where they ask for our feedbacks and they have their own chart of things to focus on.

Yeah, its obvious they are active on PTS forums but still they are containing themselfs within IC relatead matters (while the next patch is BOTH IC AND Base game patch)

They mentioned it in ESO live iirc. They pretty much said this odds are won't change, that they did it in order to bring more skill into tanking, and only if it turned out on live to pretty much screw all tanks completely that they'd change it. They did mention they've heard the feedback, but that since PTS has gone live with the new patch they've gotten a lot more positive feedback for the change.

Yeah, the super secret positive feedback that noone but ZOS sees.

I've seen a fair share of positive feedback from the forums and the EP EU PVP community, you have to remember that a majority of the forums threads are players seeing post numbers and making kneejerk reactions rather that actual tests.

There have also been some good posts/threads with critical comments and feedback for improvements giving numbers or actual testing.

There are also hundreds of "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OMG WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" threads... sadly.

Any PVPer can send a secret and not visible /feedback "i like 0 stam regen while blocking". Too bad they do this just for their own benefit so they now keep on dominating PVP as DPSes and gankers. Too bad they are selfish and ignore the fact this change hurts most PVE players.
So the fact of your "EP EU PVP community" giving this unjustified nerf a "stamp of approval" doesnt matter since their opinion is biased in order to achieve personal gains in PVP completly ignoring PVE aspect of game.

If what you said is true, that ZOS is reciving some "secret" postivite feedback about this change, it only means that even on forum or in game PVP DPSes are ganking up on tanks (both in PVE and PVP) to push trought unjustified nerf to stam regen.

Before accepting feedback about change like this, that is affecting the most PVE tanks, ZOS should really check who submitted that feedback, like check his class, build, character weapon damage, and PVP rank and see if that person should really be allowed to decide on that matter or not.

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Runaan wrote: »

They care about our feedback when they need it - therefore Imperial City. They are highly active on PTS part of forums where they ask for our feedbacks and they have their own chart of things to focus on.

Yeah, its obvious they are active on PTS forums but still they are containing themselfs within IC relatead matters (while the next patch is BOTH IC AND Base game patch)

They mentioned it in ESO live iirc. They pretty much said this odds are won't change, that they did it in order to bring more skill into tanking, and only if it turned out on live to pretty much screw all tanks completely that they'd change it. They did mention they've heard the feedback, but that since PTS has gone live with the new patch they've gotten a lot more positive feedback for the change.

Yeah, the super secret positive feedback that noone but ZOS sees.

I've seen a fair share of positive feedback from the forums and the EP EU PVP community, you have to remember that a majority of the forums threads are players seeing post numbers and making kneejerk reactions rather that actual tests.

There have also been some good posts/threads with critical comments and feedback for improvements giving numbers or actual testing.

There are also hundreds of "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OMG WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" threads... sadly.

Any PVPer can send a secret and not visible /feedback "i like 0 stam regen while blocking". Too bad they do this just for their own benefit so they now keep on dominating PVP as DPSes and gankers. Too bad they are selfish and ignore the fact this change hurts most PVE players.
So the fact of your "EP EU PVP community" giving this unjustified nerf a "stamp of approval" doesnt matter since their opinion is biased in order to achieve personal gains in PVP completly ignoring PVE aspect of game.

I don't see how the blocking changes hurt the PVE community. I play a tank in PVE and one of the most disappointing things for me is that I enter vDSA and hold my right mouse button until I leave.
There is no tactical choice or challenging in blocking right now, you don't need to be visually aware and block for specific attacks like they intended for the game and spent so much time explaining during the build up to release.

If anything I think this can be a positive change for PVE to bring some skill and danger back to trials and dungeons. There are also new sets and even players already reporting builds where perma-block is still achievable.

There are plenty of PVE players in the community I play with some even being members of top guilds like Hodor, they are as excited as everyone else for the new challenge.

JD2013 wrote: »

Are you kidding? With the amount of nerfs I've seen to classes and gameplay difficulty that I've seen since the game began, I would say they listen too much.

complete lies.

AaronLannister wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

There is constructive feedback, then there are insulting patronising posts which don't help.

If your threads are being deleted OP chances are they're not meeting community standards. If you feel they're being removed wrongly you can contact ZOS about moderators. I took a bit to check your current open threads and posts and while you seem to have complaints about changes (blocking mostly) there wasn't really must constructive about it, I don't think telling ZOS to move 5000+ miles away and test his helpful.

There is a link my my signature about how to give the clearest and most useful feedback when creating threads aimed at that.

Sorry but no, I have to completely disagree, ZoS has completely ignored the Text Chat issue, people have been calmly and collectively explaining why it's bad and gave more then enough Suggestions on why Text Chat is needed on the Console Versions.

I'm sure they're reading much of that and taking it on board. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see text chat in a patch for consoles eventually. It's very clear the console community wants that feature, however they will no doubt also make choices on the statistics and information on players activities vs the vocal forums community.

It gets said time and time again, you won't see someone log into the forums to say how like a mechanic because it's already working they way they are happy with and they would rather play than post about how they enjoy said mechanic.

However if there is a change to a game mechanic and people are unhappy with it then they need to first test the new mechanic, not go off what others have said. Actually go and try it themselves, then give constructive clear feedback on why it's a bad change, what can be done to make the change better etc.

Everyone is free to dislike a change and post about it but players need to stop posting "waaaa this sucks ZOS and you suck for doing it!!!" and make thread more like.

This following changes don't seem to work because of < insert reason > I have tested and seen that < insert data > and feel that a better change which would gain the same desired result could be < insert idea > the pros of this are < insert information > and the cons could potentially be < insert information >

Then again I am a dreamer...

Its not just ZOS all modern day MMO companies seem to do business this way. Its like they are terrified about saying the wrong thing or having an employee say the wrong thing they refuse to talk about anything other than predetermined topics. I personally find it frustrating and slightly pathetic PR but there you go.

The only company that does things even close to acceptably is CCP and eve online. They have a player elected council that they bring in on important future decisions (heavily NDA'd ofc). They even fly em over to Iceland twice a year. Of course they have to listen to their playerbase a little more cos when eve players kick off they really kick off.

This is a lengthy but interesting read on how players can be incorporated more to address concerns.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/165825/giving_your_players_a_voice_.php?print=1

Audigy wrote: »

They don't ignore feedback, the Devs actually talk to people at this forum, its just that those chats might be via PM, as that is easier to do than in a thread where of course everyone would then want an answer.

Besides that, the CM´s also try to reply as often as they can - its seldom that questions remain unanswered, at least for me.

Hogwash

cmabouaf wrote: »

It would be nice if you guys accepted the fact, not all of the changes for the next patch are balanced or are equally viable for all players. Last patch was actually the first time every class magika focused or stamina focused were generally on par in combat, and now you are stripping that from us once more. We do not want to rely on our class defenses to play this game, even cloak sucks because it still doesnt work. You guys said that 40% of people play sorcs, yet you take advice from the majority of players, ofcourse sorcs are going to want blockers gone, those are the only people who can defend against sorcs for even a bit.
Thanks

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40% of people play Sorcs? May I have a link of the source?

Audigy wrote: »

They don't ignore feedback, the Devs actually talk to people at this forum, its just that those chats might be via PM, as that is easier to do than in a thread where of course everyone would then want an answer.

Besides that, the CM´s also try to reply as often as they can - its seldom that questions remain unanswered, at least for me.

completely wrong, they ignore feedback.