Tired Of Low Levels in Cracked Wood

Tankqull · July 2015

i whole heartly support this - get the f..k out of my crack wood as a low vet11 char i want to lvl my cp on my v14s and don´t be pestered by lowies like you...

[just in case: /sarcasm off]

Robotmafia · July 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

i whole heartly support this - get the f..k out of my crack wood as a low vet11 char i want to lvl my cp on my v14s and don´t be pestered by lowies like you...

[just in case: /sarcasm off]

preech it brotha xD

Qyrk · July 2015

Just a pathetic original post, much complaining about nothing. While you're at it, can I please get permission to go to cyrodiil, oh mighty mighty vet11?

P3ZZL3 · July 2015

Qyrk wrote: »

Just a pathetic original post, much complaining about nothing. While you're at it, can I please get permission to go to cyrodiil, oh mighty mighty vet11?

No.

a.skelton92 · July 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Sometimes I can't actually believe some of the crap "gamers" come out with. Are you seriously getting territorial of a particular spot in a game? You signed up for sharing "your spots" when you bought an MMORPG.

Its one thing to going territorial on a spot no matter if someone is already there or not. Claiming a place 24hour/7 just like that. Its wrong. First come first serve is common and proper approach in MMORPGs.

But its completely different thing, claiming a place when you arrive there and there is absolutely noone there. There comes a basic MMO etiquette that anyone who comes in after person who was there first, should respect their presence there.

What wonderfully polite MMO have you been playing? I love MMOs. However, I hate the communities and I have never been lucky enough to have witnessed such courtesy. Though, you cannot expect people to not go to 'x' because "davel33t078" was there first. You can guarantee that the ones that complain in the first place about such atrocities, would not offer such courtesy back should they find that " their spot" was occupied before they arrived. No, they would probably make a point out of it by tagging and "stealing" (if you can call it that) enemies.

I very much doubt they have bottle necked any kind of progression to one small area that apparently only takes just 1 person to render useless.

Leandor · July 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

I don't agree to the etiquette thing, sorry. The number of places is so limited that to have one place exclusive in a first-come-first-serve manner is bollocks for all those that for whatever reason cannot start playing at 10am. If I get to a grindspot which is taken, I join in. I do not counter-circle or try to be ahead of the ones there but I share every kill and be damned if you try to out-tag me. I also do not complain if someone else bunks in on my grinding. As long as he is able to keep up with me, he can share. Someone (a V14 stam NB) tried yesterday to take over my grind spot outside Cyrodiil. Let's say after I kept up with my lowly V10 for 5 minutes and he did not get a single kill without me partaking and me even being faster than him sometimes, he went away.

Now if there would be enough spots to satisfy a majority of willing, I can see the benefit of and would definitely adhere to a "grinding etiquette". As is? You will not stop me from catching up to your CP.

Are you familiar with the exp/people tagging monster mechanic? You get optimal experience with 2 people killing monster. When the third person tags in, every person who tagged monster will get reduced experience. That third person starts not only wasting their own time (by not finding another spot) but also wastes time of people who were first in that spot.

Eventually if enough people start running in same place, they will overkill spot and pauses between respawns will ruin experience for everyone even more.

Thats what MMO and grind spot etiquette is about. In terms of exp mechanics in ESO it would go like this:

-Its first come first serve.
-When second person comes in and you are alone you offer them to join your group for optimal experience.
-If a person denies and says that they are there for quest,exp, skyshard there is no reason to interact with them, tho its nice of them if they want to kill monsters for his possible quest related activity they will do it along you.
-If you are already in group of 2 people for optimal experience, and third person appears in cave, first you ask them if they are to grind here or just for quest/skyshard/bosses.
-If they claim to be for grind then you should explain them that for optimal experience only 2 people should be in spot. Otherwise everyone will get reduced exp and they will overkill spot leading to even less exp.
- Here comes the good etiquette. Third person informed about that case should respect people who were there first and leave to other place to not waste their own time and time of people who were there first. Just as people said, there is plenty of other places and in one of other places, that third person can be first one there
- If the third person is here only for bosses/quest/skyshard its appreciated if that person will achieve his goal without interrupting activity or people who were first in that place
- Same goes for people who were first in cave just for the sole purpose of exping. They shouldnt just randomly kill bosses. They respawn time is long and they offer very little prize. People who come for sole purpose of boss killing need them more so they should be left alone for people like that.
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Thats of course my opinion based on common sense and good manners.

Come on. You are not the only intelligent person on this planet, mate. Sometimes your posting style is really annoying as hell.

With the handful of spots available, you claim one of those to be exclusive for you and your temporary partner. Same is at every single grind spot in this game. So a millionth part of the whole population is entitled to grind their CP based on the fact that they can start playing earlier than the others?

Stick your etiquette where the sun don't shine, mate. And I mean this in the most friendly, non-confrontational way possible.

P3ZZL3 · July 2015

@a.skelton92 Interesting you should say that.

There is one place, where generally, people are very pleasant and courteous. If people are there, you tend to group with them or they tell you when they'll be off... and you come back...

Very weird i think in some respects, but very satisfying to see that kind of internal gamesmanship

Keep_Door · July 2015

hey awsome i was looking for a new gridning spot vr1 here will see you soon

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2015

Grinders are not actually cheaters but they're still "exploiting" the game to optimize one figure (XP) which is not meant to be earned that way but actually playing the game (ZOS partly at fault for lack of new content to "play normally" but that's another issue).

Grinders are a HIGH disturbance to anyone who plays the game normally (exploring / questing / killing "current enemies to progress in the cave) and they're at fault for forcing ZOS to nerf XP in many many areas of the game to maintain balance.

So imho grinders are a plague that we can "tolerate" (at best) but they shouldn't come up with anything like an "etiquette" or claiming priority on any area of the game, especially not over questers / explorers.

If I come across grinders I try to ignore them and do my own thing as much as I can, BUT if they whisper me to tell me to leave, (depending on tone and courtesy too), I will eventually do my best to tag the mobs, single target them, taunt them apart and disrupt their grinding cycle. After all, they are disrupting my questing, but feel too entitled to even be aware of it.

Leandor · July 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Grinders are not actually cheaters but they're still "exploiting" the game to optimize one figure (XP) which is not meant to be earned that way but actually playing the game (ZOS partly at fault for lack of new content to "play normally" but that's another issue).

Grinders are a HIGH disturbance to anyone who plays the game normally (exploring / questing / killing "current enemies to progress in the cave) and they're at fault for forcing ZOS to nerf XP in many many areas of the game to maintain balance.

So imho grinders are a plague that we can "tolerate" (at best) but they shouldn't come up with anything like an "etiquette" or claiming priority on any area of the game, especially not over questers / explorers.

If I come across grinders I try to ignore them and do my own thing as much as I can, BUT if they whisper me to tell me to leave, (depending on tone and courtesy too), I will eventually do my best to tag the mobs, single target them, taunt them apart and disrupt their grinding cycle. After all, they are disrupting my questing, but feel too entitled to even be aware of it.

Another one of those posts. Read the following and tell me in what way it is any different from what you write:

You know, if someone whispers me with a friendly "could you let me do my quests here, I need xx monsters" I will immediately stop, even though I find these "Questers" annoying as hell. Since my way of playing nets me more fun than that, it is obviously the intended way to play this game and even though they are not exploiters per se, these people clearly level in a way that is not intended.

They are increasing quest XP for a reason with the next patch, they want questers to be gone quicker so that us grinders can play in peace again. By and large, I try to just ignore questers since I am a forgiving person and if they think they need to artificially slow down the game for the 4th character again, then they are free to do so.

For me, it is largely a behaviour problem I have with them, seeing they actually believe that their way is the only way to play this game. A little bit of courtesy often will go a large way, but they seem to be resistive to that lesson.

Rylana · July 2015

Youre V11, if you can do enough DPS to KS a bunch of V2s its time to rethink how you play the game

Also, which faction, campaign, and server. Ill come pay yall a visit

kevlarto_ESO · July 2015

Asuryan11 wrote: »

...Really? People will literally complain about anything and everything. Now I have seen it all!

Just when you think you have seen it all believe me something will come along that will beat the last time I have seen it all. LOL

I have gone to pothole I think that is the name of it, cave a couple of times its a square and by the time you make it around the square the mobs are respawning and you can keep up a good pace never run out of mobs and rarely see another player. There must be crack in cracked wood cave everyone seems to like to claim the mobs for themselves..LOL

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2015

Leandor wrote: »

Another one of those posts. Read the following and tell me in what way it is any different from what you write:
You know, if someone whispers me with a friendly "could you let me do my quests here, I need xx monsters" I will immediately stop, even though I find these "Questers" annoying as hell. Since my way of playing nets me more fun than that, it is obviously the intended way to play this game and even though they are not exploiters per se, these people clearly level in a way that is not intended.

They are increasing quest XP for a reason with the next patch, they want questers to be gone quicker so that us grinders can play in peace again. By and large, I try to just ignore questers since I am a forgiving person and if they think they need to artificially slow down the game for the 4th character again, then they are free to do so.

For me, it is largely a behaviour problem I have with them, seeing they actually believe that their way is the only way to play this game. A little bit of courtesy often will go a large way, but they seem to be resistive to that lesson.

We agree on one thing : courtesy can save many situations from becoming conflictual. However OP in this thread was claiming a "right" and expressing being fed up, calling other people "lowbies". Anyway we agree on courtesy.

As to considering grinding a more enjoyable and funny way to play than normal questing, I think you wrote it for the sake of symmetry and demonstration, and that your point is to show that grinding could/should be considered as legit as any other way of playing. Now, all tastes are in nature and it's possible that you truly enjoy grinding, but you'd be the first one that I come across thinking this. Some of my guildies grind as well and I can tell you, from what I hear in TeamSpeak, they're bored as hell. They do it because of the efficiency and certainly not because of the fun of it. And they all agree it's not the way the game is "intended to be played".

To make it short : I still believe that questing / exploring is a more "legit" way of playing which should have a priority. I can agree to politely share spaces with people who think differently and choose to grind but I'll not agree with grinders thinking that their grinding rotation in any particular spot has priority over questers and explorers. As to priorities among grinders themselves, it's their problem and not mine, but when I think of it, I don't think it's courteous nor healthy to claim ownership of spots or mobs and if there are more than 2 people in one spot, so be it, that's sharing. And if someone has to leave I don't consider the "first here, first served" a valid rule.

Leandor · July 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Another one of those posts. Read the following and tell me in what way it is any different from what you write:
You know, if someone whispers me with a friendly "could you let me do my quests here, I need xx monsters" I will immediately stop, even though I find these "Questers" annoying as hell. Since my way of playing nets me more fun than that, it is obviously the intended way to play this game and even though they are not exploiters per se, these people clearly level in a way that is not intended.

They are increasing quest XP for a reason with the next patch, they want questers to be gone quicker so that us grinders can play in peace again. By and large, I try to just ignore questers since I am a forgiving person and if they think they need to artificially slow down the game for the 4th character again, then they are free to do so.

For me, it is largely a behaviour problem I have with them, seeing they actually believe that their way is the only way to play this game. A little bit of courtesy often will go a large way, but they seem to be resistive to that lesson.

We agree on one thing : courtesy can save many situations from becoming conflictual. However OP in this thread was claiming a "right" and expressing being fed up, calling other people "lowbies". Anyway we agree on courtesy.

As to considering grinding a more enjoyable and funny way to play than normal questing, I think you wrote it for the sake of symmetry and demonstration, and that your point is to show that grinding could/should be considered as legit as any other way of playing. Now, all tastes are in nature and it's possible that you truly enjoy grinding, but you'd be the first one that I come across thinking this. Some of my guildies grind as well and I can tell you, from what I hear in TeamSpeak, they're bored as hell. They do it because of the efficiency and certainly not because of the fun of it. And they all agree it's not the way the game is "intended to be played".

To make it short : I still believe that questing / exploring is a more "legit" way of playing which should have a priority. I can agree to politely share spaces with people think different and choose to grind but I'll not agree with grinders thinking that their grinding rotation in any particular spot has priority over questers and explorers. As to priorities among grinders themselves, it's their problem and not mine, but when I think of it, I don't think it's courteous nor healthy to claim ownership of spots or mobs and if there are more than 2 people in one spot, so be it, that's sharing. And if someone has to leave I don't consider the "first here, first served" a valid rule.

Thanks for this well thought out response.

You are right in that I don't enjoy grinding as such, but after having completed "all" quests on two characters (one is still missing last two gold areas but will do them as well), I am more bored by questing than by grinding. I am currently grinding, and I have always used "quest areas" due to much faster respawn rates. I am very well aware of the impact I have on those that want to quest and I DO care about not making the questing impossible.

The main point of my text was indeed to show the possible symmetry in thoughts. I am of the firm opinion that there is no right way of playing the game. There is only a right way of behaving towards players that do not agree to a certain style of play, and its main point is to not assume ones own style as the "universally superior" one.

Now as to OP, if you read my previous comments on this thread, you will see that I very much agree with you on that part.

Zavus · July 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

OP complain is silly. First come first serve.

What is annoying, are people who barge in to a cave where you are already in group of 2 people and they just pretend you are not there.

Upon making sure they are not there just for skyshard and boss kills, you ask them kindly to leave and explain why by being there and tagging all your kills (because waiting till you pull group of mobs and then just poking one aoe on them is tagging) are just wasting your and your friend time AND their own time. Of course after that they either ignore you and dont reply at all or laugh into your face.

People have 0 respect to those who were somewhere first and 0 respect to grindspot etiquette.

I've said this all along. What I would give to PK my own faction.

-Methy

P3ZZL3 · July 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

They do it because of the efficiency and certainly not because of the fun of it. And they all agree it's not the way the game is "intended to be played".

This is exactly it.

Almost everyone joins the game, goes through their joining faction quest, move on to Silver and gold for the other factions, then grind the remainder, which won't be a lot. They are now v14.

Then, the route splits in to 2.

1) They set up a toon in another faction and go through the story line and run through the process in a similar way. They will more than likely do this a third time for the final faction. Typically these are dedicated players of Elder Scrolls titles and RPG players who love the content/story line/etc - at their 4th character, they will then more than likely speed grind them up to v14.

2) They have completed it once, not overly interested in the story so not to concerned about the whole process of running through the quest lines and just want to run a certain type of character this time due to what they have learned from building up the first character "legitimately".

I fall in to the 2nd stream in this scenario. I'm not bought into the world story/etc like others. I enjoy the crafting/some quests and love the trials and dungeons. I also like PVP. However, for me, it was about trying out capabilities in new toon - stam based - magika based - weapons...etc...finding out what it is I like to roll with.

There is no other quick route to getting a toon higher, quicker, to make it a viable proposition in dungeons/trials/etc.

I certainly don't enjoy it, but it's a necessary evil and to be honest, I don't think there is any way round it.

Does that make me a bad person that I don;t want to do the same quest line multiple times and for it to take a looong time to have a validated character (in my eyes)?

HooisierBoy · July 2015

Lol I usually don't post in here but I just had to, this has to be the most hilarious discussion I've read in a while. I feel the Op complaint, and im sorry it probably was me in the dungeon ruining all your fun ;-) Next time ill take you in consideration when im out grinding and let you hoard all the exp to yourself :-) ill see you there soon lmaoooooo

Turelus · July 2015

templesus wrote: »

It was interesting,to see the responses

Not sure what other kind of response you expected when you declared one of the most efficient and popular leveling spots in the game your own.

Did you ever try to talk to other players about joining with them as you can level difference doesn't matter in Cyrodiil with everyone scaled.

Additionally as everyone else has said there are plenty of leveling spots in the game, which would get you VR14 at almost the same speed.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · July 2015

I realise we no longer have the LOL to apply to the OP...but perhaps we need a ******** one for this post

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Rook_Master · July 2015

I agree with OP.

If you are not vet ranks, you should not be in CWC. There are tons of places for non-vets to grind, leave this spot for people that actually need it.

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

There is no other quick route to getting a toon higher, quicker, to make it a viable proposition in dungeons/trials/etc.

I certainly don't enjoy it, but it's a necessary evil and to be honest, I don't think there is any way round it.

Does that make me a bad person that I don;t want to do the same quest line multiple times and for it to take a looong time to have a validated character (in my eyes)?

Certainly not, and I understand your concerns, re-rolling without grinding at the moment is a real PITA. As long as you on your side understand (like Leandor) how annoying it is for questers to turn up in a grinders-ransacked place (and being told to go away on top of that

) and try to act accordingly.

Another aspect of the problem though is that it is kinda "shoot yourself in the foot". Grinders grind => ZOS nerfs "normal XP" to prevent this except for a few spots which in turn creates more conflict and could possibly lead to yet another XP-nerf and so on. "Normal XP" is not nerfed just for grinders, it's nerfed for everybody, and that's unfair. I find it really annoying for instance that XP in Craglorn is close to zero, that nobody does dailies or dungeons there any more, and that the place is nearly deserted by anyone but resource farmers and Nirncrux hunters. The grinders, while not "individually guilty", are actually responsible for that and I have a bit of resentment for it.

Furthermore, it looks like grinding is highly addictive and once they've started with it, people seem to not be able to consider any other way of playing/progressing. Their brain seems to have been captured and replaced by an XP/CP/hour calculator. Already when Upper Craglorn came out a year ago and VR cap was raised to 14, many people just grinded Hircine Dungeon up to VR14 within a couple of hours and never came back, keeping their eyes only on their DPS-meter-race and leaderboard positions. Same seems to be about to happen with IC : what I hear from (many but not all) people is not about the new content, the new lore and the new dungeons mechanics. It's all about how quickly they'll grind to VR16, get the new sets and go back to their DPS-race and leaderboards. Not even talking about the fact that I will probably be forced to do the same if I want to still be included in my current raiding groups.

All these behaviours are induced by grinding, force ZOS to implement new game balance that penalize everybody including the "normal players" so yes, I tend to dislike and condemn grinding globally - but not the individual players whose motivation is very understandable. But I fear that this is going to damage the game for everyone in the long term.

kalimar44 · July 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Next time I go I will look for the Posted/No Trespassing sign

LOL

kalimar44 · July 2015

redspecter23 · July 2015

Wouldn't it be fantastic if we had some instanced areas that gave decent xp so we wouldn't even have to talk about grinding etiquette at all?

Pallmor · July 2015

templesus wrote: »

Im Vet 11 on the west coast so only time i can go and there be nobody is around 4 a.m. No way am i doing 10 hours of quests for cads gold for 3 levels. Nothing makes me angrier then walking in and seeing a level 10, 17, 13 and a bunch of vet 2s taking the kills.

Perhaps you would be happier in a single player RPG. I hear Witcher 3 is nice (and you can be sure no one will steal your kills there).

AH93 · July 2015

I didn't know about this, I'll see you there, 4 am sharp.

Grapedragon · July 2015

Is this a complaint for the sake of complaining? ...I'm not sure...

JD2013 · July 2015

Well, seeing as how I'm V14, to me, you're a lowbie.

Stay out of my cave!

Grapedragon · July 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

Well, seeing as how I'm V14, to me, you're a lowbie.

Stay out of my cave!

Ahhh, humor, my good friend

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

Wow talk about selfish. This is a MMO as is there are gonna be hundrends of different players there too. So tired of some in "your" grind spot go find a new one. Don't come onto the forums and start complaining about how noobs are taking "your" exp.