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Batswarm healing
Kronosphere
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I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Now werewolf are no longer useless but actually should be scrapped as a skill line at the moment.
And now that the vamps have cried enough on the forums to get reduced fire advantages and with zos listening to those salty tears, they have always implemented ways for vamps to completely negate the extra fire damage, no disadvantages.PS4 EU DC
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Kronosphere✭✭✭✭the OBVIOUSLY smarter idea would be to nerf fire damage in pve so you dont get rekt by coa etc but keep it high in pvp~House Indoril~
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CaptainObvious✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
That whole ultimate versus instant cast regular skill. Ultimates should be better they cost ultimate and cannot be used all of the time. IMO, ultimates should be exempt from reflection by instant cast player abilities. In the case of bat swarm, that is an earned ultimate that used to be more difficult to acquire.
Bat swarm heals per person and has a slight tell to let you know that it is going on. If people spread out then that is less healing and less ultimate regeneration. So use strategy...
That same strategy doesn't apply to the DK ability or NB sap etc. because those can be spammed incessantly and should not be considered 1 button masher wins.
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Kronosphere✭✭✭✭CaptainObvious wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
That whole ultimate versus instant cast regular skill. Ultimates should be better they cost ultimate and cannot be used all of the time. IMO, ultimates should be exempt from reflection by instant cast player abilities. In the case of bat swarm, that is an earned ultimate that used to be more difficult to acquire.
Bat swarm heals per person and has a slight tell to let you know that it is going on. If people spread out then that is less healing and less ultimate regeneration. So use strategy...
That same strategy doesn't apply to the DK ability or NB sap etc. because those can be spammed incessantly and should not be considered 1 button masher wins.
true but its the same kind of ability so imo it should be capped albeit a higher cap than a normal ability. but its literally the same mechanic yet inhale gets aoe capped when every other ability doesnt.
and yes as soon as i hear a batswarm i roll dodge away. sadly i dont have telepathy and every other fool does not do the same. and since he is healing more damage than we are dealing with or without the few extra people near him it makes little difference.~House Indoril~
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭umm .. nerf vampires ??
stop zerging a vampire in melee while hes got his bats up !! back away .. seriously folks learn how to play
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend3 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »
yes .. your point ?I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
again .. learn to play
like ... don't stand in the red stuff on the ground ! ... learn or die
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend2 -
Kronosphere✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »
yes .. your point ?I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
again .. learn to play
like ... don't stand in the red stuff on the ground ! ... learn or die
ok sorry i assumed you could read ill spell it out. i do. others dont, so they are still immortal. ANYWAY this is not the point im trying to make here at all. all i am saying is if inhale has a capped heal so should batswarm. thats literally it.
also i said my ABOVE POST not ORIGINAL POST. you quoted my original when i was referring to above..Edited by Kronosphere on July 30, 2015 4:59AM~House Indoril~
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭oh sorry ...true but its the same kind of ability so imo it should be capped albeit a higher cap than a normal ability. but its literally the same mechanic yet inhale gets aoe capped when every other ability doesnt.
and yes as soon as i hear a batswarm i roll dodge away. sadly i dont have telepathy and every other fool does not do the same. and since he is healing more damage than we are dealing with or without the few extra people near him it makes little difference.
learn to play ... don't melee a bat swarm = no healing and no ultimate regenEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭the joys of an MMO .. you might know what needs to be done, but that's useless if 40 others aren't as savvy as youEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭yep ... this is why guilds are so satisfying, over time everyone has a role and knows what to do, and there is a recognised leader who can instruct on the fly
meantime, I love my batswarm for farming on that awful grind to V14 ... er 16 ... er 42Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a fire dk, i laugh if they batswarm as i think 'Yay a vamp....METEOR TO THE FACE!'PS4 EU DC
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »As a fire dk, i laugh if they batswarm as i think 'Yay a vamp....METEOR TO THE FACE!'
then I say to the vamp ... learn to resist fire !
Edited by OzJohnD on July 30, 2015 5:53AMEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭It's not like the bats last forever... just cc the guy and kill him afterwards, stop crying.Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Inhale is bad? Well i heal Myself for 1,6k each target with this skill and it interups beamers#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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stimpy986b14_ESO✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
You obviously don't know how bat swarm works. It heals for a specified amount for EACH target it hits. If you have 10-15 people staying within range of bat swarm then YOU ARE FEEDING HIM. Learn to fight vampires or just have some common sense before you start crying on the forum. In any game that has vampires, staying in melee range is absolutely deadly, this one is no different. CC the vamp, get out of his aoe, and burn him down AT RANGE. It's baffling to me that people still cry about this even after it's been nerfed to the point that it's nearly useless in PVE simply because people don't want to learn how to counter it in PVP.
TL:DR version - Learn to playEdited by stimpy986b14_ESO on July 30, 2015 6:31AM2 -
Kronosphere✭✭✭✭stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
You obviously don't know how bat swarm works. It heals for a specified amount for EACH target it hits. If you have 10-15 people staying within range of bat swarm then YOU ARE FEEDING HIM. Learn to fight vampires or just have some common sense before you start crying on the forum. In any game that has vampires, staying in melee range is absolutely deadly, this one is no different. CC the vamp, get out of his aoe, and burn him down AT RANGE. It's baffling to me that people still cry about this even after it's been nerfed to the point that it's nearly useless in PVE simply because people don't want to learn how to counter it in PVP.
TL:DR version - Learn to play
a. missed my point completely
b. I know what not to do to a vamp but the rest of the mindless folks dont. and "just cc him" you say. ever heard of blocking + cc immunity etc =P
zzz why cant you edit OP? so i can include the other commentEdited by Kronosphere on July 30, 2015 8:05AM~House Indoril~
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✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
You obviously don't know how bat swarm works. It heals for a specified amount for EACH target it hits. If you have 10-15 people staying within range of bat swarm then YOU ARE FEEDING HIM. Learn to fight vampires or just have some common sense before you start crying on the forum. In any game that has vampires, staying in melee range is absolutely deadly, this one is no different. CC the vamp, get out of his aoe, and burn him down AT RANGE. It's baffling to me that people still cry about this even after it's been nerfed to the point that it's nearly useless in PVE simply because people don't want to learn how to counter it in PVP.
TL:DR version - Learn to play
a. missed my point completely
b. I know what not to do to a vamp but the rest of the mindless folks dont. and "just cc him" you say. ever heard of blocking + cc immunity etc =P
zzz why cant you edit OP? so i can include the other comment
So according to you, that vampire should be punished because scrubs can't handle to learn about swarm?
If he's against competent players, all they have to do if they don't want to bother moving out of the aoe is heal or cc him.
There are tons of way to CC through block anyways
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✭It was already nerfed last year, twice if I remember correctly, all you need is to dodge roll away from it wait until it ends. Ultimates are there so bad players get kills too, so everybody gets a piece of the fun, at least thats how ESO was designed from the get-go. Btw, people can tank 10+ guy and suck their all stamina and magicka without BatSwarm too.Edited by Sausage on July 30, 2015 9:06AM2 -
Kronosphere✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
You obviously don't know how bat swarm works. It heals for a specified amount for EACH target it hits. If you have 10-15 people staying within range of bat swarm then YOU ARE FEEDING HIM. Learn to fight vampires or just have some common sense before you start crying on the forum. In any game that has vampires, staying in melee range is absolutely deadly, this one is no different. CC the vamp, get out of his aoe, and burn him down AT RANGE. It's baffling to me that people still cry about this even after it's been nerfed to the point that it's nearly useless in PVE simply because people don't want to learn how to counter it in PVP.
TL:DR version - Learn to play
a. missed my point completely
b. I know what not to do to a vamp but the rest of the mindless folks dont. and "just cc him" you say. ever heard of blocking + cc immunity etc =P
zzz why cant you edit OP? so i can include the other comment
So according to you, that vampire should be punished because scrubs can't handle to learn about swarm?
If he's against competent players, all they have to do if they don't want to bother moving out of the aoe is heal or cc him.
There are tons of way to CC through block anyways
aaaah tonnes as in 1 per class? that sure is tonnes! if i am all classes at once i get 4!!!11!1123451!!!
so you think it should be possible to get theoratically infinite heals from 1 ulti? im just saying it should get capped like everything else. its far too good. best heal AND aoe in the game.
Edited by Kronosphere on July 30, 2015 9:08AM~House Indoril~
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r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »I know Bat swarm is an ultimate but why can someone tank 10-15 people (easily) and sit at full health while everyone hammers him. soul assaults, radiant oppression all at the same time and his bar is solid. mean while inhale from the dk line hits a measley 3 targets max for a laughable heal? seems pretty silly.
bad feeling its going to go back to elder vamps online again after the buffs next update =S batswarm should be treated equally and have its healing capped.
You obviously don't know how bat swarm works. It heals for a specified amount for EACH target it hits. If you have 10-15 people staying within range of bat swarm then YOU ARE FEEDING HIM. Learn to fight vampires or just have some common sense before you start crying on the forum. In any game that has vampires, staying in melee range is absolutely deadly, this one is no different. CC the vamp, get out of his aoe, and burn him down AT RANGE. It's baffling to me that people still cry about this even after it's been nerfed to the point that it's nearly useless in PVE simply because people don't want to learn how to counter it in PVP.
TL:DR version - Learn to play
a. missed my point completely
b. I know what not to do to a vamp but the rest of the mindless folks dont. and "just cc him" you say. ever heard of blocking + cc immunity etc =P
zzz why cant you edit OP? so i can include the other comment
So according to you, that vampire should be punished because scrubs can't handle to learn about swarm?
If he's against competent players, all they have to do if they don't want to bother moving out of the aoe is heal or cc him.
There are tons of way to CC through block anyways
aaaah tonnes as in 1 per class? that sure is tonnes! if i am all classes at once i get 4!!!11!1123451!!!
so you think it should be possible to get theoratically infinite heals from 1 ulti? im just saying it should get capped like everything else. its far too good. best heal AND aoe in the game.
For a few seconds, yes. What's the problem? It's still huge even when capped to six targets. Just kill the guy afterwards... jeezLairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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Curtischoy✭✭OP, you need to roll with other people that know what they are doing. If you are with a bunch of people that stand next to a vamp while he uses this ultimate, you're gonna have a bad time. This is not a reason to cap it. This is a reason to play with different people who actually have a pulse.2
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Athas24✭✭✭✭A skill should not be dismantled because some people don't know how to avoid it. I understand the frustration but that should be directed towards your group mates OP, not the ability itself or the guy using it. It was, as someone mentioned already nerfed, mist was nerfed too.0