Why a nerf to Flame Clench ?

Beesting · July 2015

I read in the pts patch notes that the stun of the flame clench morph will be removed and now it will just knock back

I wonder why this stealth nerf is necessary? I am leveling a new magica dk and use destro staff and flame clench is the only thing that makes it fun to play magica dk at the moment, with everyone else having switched to stamina builds with wrecking blow spam steel tornado etc

Also on my vr14 magica dk i am using it now and it is the only ability that gives me a small chance to win a one vs one after being ganked by the fotm sneaky nightblades that jump me. The knockback and the stun they have to break out of sometimes gives me a small time window to kill them. When everyone runs with vigor that might even change. Just knocking them back will make them laugh and not be a skill worth using anymore

When i think about it, as a magica dk i dont have even one burst dps skill for pvp, like wrecking blow or crystal shards. At least flame clench made me feel like a had one skill that made a difference in close combat

And now this will be nerfed? Nerf wrecking blow instead ?...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler it seems you always want to drive people away from the game with these strange changes, please reconsider this change. Forcing everyone to become a steel tornado spamming monkey to win in pvp is boring as hell

Thank you

Pman85 · July 2015

this post LOL. You use words like "stealth nerf" but that's right after you said it was in the patch notes. If you think DK is all about fire staff and one ability while being in a magika based build, I feel sorry for you. Your entire post makes it look like you really dont know much about builds, nor PvP. Do you get eatn' alive in Cyrodiil or what?

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Pman85 wrote: »

this post LOL. You use words like "stealth nerf" but that's right after you said it was in the patch notes. If you think DK is all about fire staff and one ability while being in a magika based build, I feel sorry for you. Your entire post makes it look like you really dont know much about builds, nor PvP. Do you get eatn' alive in Cyrodiil or what?

Kindly remove that that stick please,

It's just another person bothered by the changes the forum is currently flooded with them and all you 'L2P' elitists are coming out -_-

Pman85 · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Pman85 wrote: »

this post LOL. You use words like "stealth nerf" but that's right after you said it was in the patch notes. If you think DK is all about fire staff and one ability while being in a magika based build, I feel sorry for you. Your entire post makes it look like you really dont know much about builds, nor PvP. Do you get eatn' alive in Cyrodiil or what?

Kindly remove that that stick please,

It's just another person bothered by the changes the forum is currently flooded with them and all you 'L2P' elitists are coming out -_-

coming out? we never left. If anyone, and i mean anyone, posts something and has no idea about basic builds for classes, they should be all mean be eat'n alive in the forums. Especially for a post like this.

Skwor · July 2015

It is getting fixed because you have 12 buttons and the game is more than just mashing one of them repeatedly.

Beesting · July 2015

I just started using flame clench again after last using it in april 2014 and i like it the way it is. So why change it now, that was my question

As to LTP, i sadly have almost 3000 hours playtime on my main and done thousands of dungeon runs and have been pvp ing a lot since april and got tribune last week ( 10 million ap)

But i can see forum trolls will always try to derail a post so people never get a normal answer

And i meant stealth as on buried in hundreds of changes in pts patch notes, so people would overlook it. Well, i didn't

Lynx7386 · July 2015

They're trying to make frost and shock staves more viable.

Beesting · July 2015

Lynx7386 wrote: »

They're trying to make frost and shock staves more viable.

That will never appeal to me with all the dk passives to fire damage

I hope i will get an answer from zos

Teiji · July 2015

This is a buff, not a nerf.

This allows decent players to rotate CC more mercilessly, such as Petrify. I've been playing Magicka DK since early-access, you need to stop being so timid and slowly build up your DK confidence, use Talons more, use Petrify, use Ferocious Leap for survivability.

You have so many defensive tools at your disposal yet you rely solely on Flame Clench? You could be so much more of a better player if you just use all the abilities you have available to you, but you have to move out your comfort zone and actually be willing to use them; yes it's more effort having to use more than one ability, but the rewards of being able to be more competitive and perform better as such are worth it.

Athas24 · July 2015

Regarding the Term "Stealth Nerf".....

Beesting · July 2015

I love it how everyone tries to sweet talk a nerf that makes no sense and is not necessary

i like using flame clench, i dont want to use talons all the time

while i was rezzing a dead teammate 10 mins ago this happened in 1 sec

So yes, nerf wrecking blow instead

Teiji · July 2015

Beesting wrote: »

I love it how everyone tries to sweet talk a nerf that makes no sense and is not necessary

i like using flame clench, i dont want to use talons all the time

while i was rezzing a dead teammate 10 mins ago this happened in 1 sec

So yes, nerf wrecking blow instead

"All of these community members here have offered you help, but you refuse. You are in love with complaining, and you will never be helped."

And so Almalexia teaches us that you cannot aid the unwilling.

You have options available to you, strong options which would solve your problem; you refuse to use these options to solve your problem, you refuse to solve your solvable problem, thus beyond help.

Beesting · July 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you at least explain why the nerf is needed?

Ok i made a bosmer dk so i can easily respec and start wrecking blowing people. But i dont want to, i like the flame staff playstyle.

In pvp 99 % of the people will play nightblade now (or soon after being ganked over and over) , and none of them use flame clench. Just leave it alone please

I55UE5 · July 2015

Omg people are going to use break free after the knock back anyhow. You are over reacting. I like the change personally.

Beesting · July 2015

The fact i get no support in this thread saddens me.

What if they nerfed fear so you dont have to break free from it?

Cant wait to see nightblades write " personally i like this change"

Junkogen · July 2015

Beesting wrote: »

I love it how everyone tries to sweet talk a nerf that makes no sense and is not necessary

i like using flame clench, i dont want to use talons all the time

while i was rezzing a dead teammate 10 mins ago this happened in 1 sec

So yes, nerf wrecking blow instead

How is that possible? Is that wrecking blow from stealth?

Lylith · July 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I love it how everyone tries to sweet talk a nerf that makes no sense and is not necessary

i like using flame clench, i dont want to use talons all the time

while i was rezzing a dead teammate 10 mins ago this happened in 1 sec

So yes, nerf wrecking blow instead

How is that possible? Is that wrecking blow from stealth?

cyrodil.

GamerzElite · July 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I love it how everyone tries to sweet talk a nerf that makes no sense and is not necessary

i like using flame clench, i dont want to use talons all the time

while i was rezzing a dead teammate 10 mins ago this happened in 1 sec

So yes, nerf wrecking blow instead

How is that possible? Is that wrecking blow from stealth?

Anything possible in Cyrodill, I saw many insane Death recap in PvP.

Tankqull · July 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I love it how everyone tries to sweet talk a nerf that makes no sense and is not necessary

i like using flame clench, i dont want to use talons all the time

while i was rezzing a dead teammate 10 mins ago this happened in 1 sec

So yes, nerf wrecking blow instead

How is that possible? Is that wrecking blow from stealth?

crappy player refusing to learn to play and thus wasted 3k hours of playtime

and yes its a WB from stealth wich he did not prevent as he was busy rezzing not caring about his surroundings.