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Why Dark Flare needs a chance to instant cast
BugCollector
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This should be the Magicka Templar's bread and butter burst ability, but as it is now it's hardly used because of the cast time and slow travel speed. Give this ability a 20% chance to instant cast, so Magicka Templars finally have a decent burst skill.
May knowledge guide you to enlightenment
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭reroll sorcererEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
bareheiny✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah, but they all shouldn't be the same role wise.
There should be pros and cons for each role and class....otherwise we may as well just get one skill line with different skins.4 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭Now that would be easier to code and maintain
Everyone same class, same skills, same gear ... same everything ... then it would be a perfect PvP world where only skills and latency matter
Edited by OzJohnD on July 29, 2015 2:15AMEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
Mos-De-Atmo✭✭✭It would be too similar to Crystal Fragments, but perhaps a chance to proc a different thing, sort of like Grim Focus turning into Assassins Will or Deadly Cloak turning into Flying Blade... So like Dark Flare could proc something that does... something...ESO Academy - Up To Date Info, Guides and Tips For The Elder Scrolls Online
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭Now that would be easier to code and maintain
Everyone same class, same skills, same gear ... same everything ... then it would be a perfect PvP world where only skills and latency matter
I can picture it now, all as Care Bears waddling over to one another, beating the stuffing (literally) out of one another. All equal. All pink.
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markt84✭✭✭
Yeah, but they all shouldn't be the same role wise.
There should be pros and cons for each role and class....otherwise we may as well just get one skill line with different skins.
I don't get what you're saying. The point is to be able to be any class and play any role. Not to pidgin hole classes to roles, that's the beauty of the eso system. If it takes x time to cast and hit with a skill for a sorc, it should be the same for a temp to cast and hit for conprabable skill. It's called balanceEdited by markt84 on July 29, 2015 3:15AM1 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭
Yeah, but they all shouldn't be the same role wise.
There should be pros and cons for each role and class....otherwise we may as well just get one skill line with different skins.
I don't get what you're saying. The point is to be able to be any class and play any role. Not to pidgin hole classes to roles, that's the beauty of the eso system. If it takes x time to cast and hit with a skill for a sorc, it should be the same for a temp to cast and hit for conprabable skill. It's called balance
Not really, in practice it doesn't work because there will always be something the class is better at doing then others, Templars
Healing main
Sorceror DPS main
Nightblade DPS main/ subTank
Dragonknight Tank/DPS
perfect balance = boring anyways.
There's only 3 roles in general in this game, you're not going to roll a Nord Sorceror for a reason if the game was perfectly balanced then a Nord Sorceror DPS will be just as good as a High Elf.
Whether or not people want to pidgeoned hole doesn't seem to matter because the vast majority are dedicated to either just healing, tank, or DPS.Edited by AaronLannister on July 29, 2015 3:42AM0 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend2 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »There's only 3 roles in general in this game, you're not going to roll a Nord Sorceror for a reason if the game was perfectly balanced then a Nord Sorceror DPS will be just as good as a High Elf.
/flex
Edited by OzJohnD on July 29, 2015 3:43AMEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
markt84✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
Yeah, but they all shouldn't be the same role wise.
There should be pros and cons for each role and class....otherwise we may as well just get one skill line with different skins.
I don't get what you're saying. The point is to be able to be any class and play any role. Not to pidgin hole classes to roles, that's the beauty of the eso system. If it takes x time to cast and hit with a skill for a sorc, it should be the same for a temp to cast and hit for conprabable skill. It's called balance
Not really, in practice it doesn't work because there will always be something the class is better at doing then others, Templars
Healing main
Sorceror DPS main
Nightblade DPS main/ subTank
Dragonknight Tank/DPS
perfect balance = boring anyways.
There's only 3 roles in general in this game, you're not going to roll a Nord Sorceror for a reason if the game was perfectly balanced then a Nord Sorceror DPS will be just as good as a High Elf.
Whether or not people want to pidgeoned hole doesn't seem to matter because the vast majority are dedicated to either just healing, tank, or DPS.
It seems like your missing the point on purpose. If it takes x time to cast and land a spell as a temp, it should take the same amount of time if your a sorc or anything else, I don't care if your a nord a lizard a Viking a tiger or whatever. I'm a temp, I should as efficient as casting my class specific spells, as a sorce is with theirs. Just because it's a magic spell doesn't mean a sorc should be better at casting times. Because I'm a temp, only I can cast dark flare so only "I" know how to cast that spell, and with "years" of training I should be effienct at casting it by now, you since I'm off to save the world. Now just like a sorc can only do the frag thing, they should be efficient at using it too, since they all had "years" of training and now so good at being them, the are off to save the world. I mean if you want to say temps aren't as good at casting THEIR spells then why even put the skill in there? I hope you are understanding what I'm trying to say, im running out of ways to say the same thing in different ways. And btw, I'm a healer and a tank, if I can only get more dps, I can be all 3 classes.....mind blown1 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭no, because the Templar class is not a caster class
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭I mean if you want to say temps aren't as good at casting THEIR spells then why even put the skill in there?
I never said that, you're assuming that that he wants the same exact spells he just wants the spells to match up in power against the sorcerer's Burst Abilities. You're saying you want balance, well this is called Pure Balance.Edited by AaronLannister on July 29, 2015 4:13AM0 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭Do you see a tank there ?
No, that's a Templar
... and this is a cleric
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend1 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Templar_(3.5e_Class)
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Cleric
this is a healer
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/The_Healer_(3.5e_Class)Edited by OzJohnD on July 29, 2015 4:17AMEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
markt84✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »I mean if you want to say temps aren't as good at casting THEIR spells then why even put the skill in there?
I never said that, you're assuming that that he wants the same exact spells he just wants the spells to match up in power against the sorcerer's Burst Abilities. You're saying you want balance, well this is called Pure Balance.
Balance as in my ability to use MY OWN CLASS SPECIFIC SKILLS. My god, balance as in if takes x time to cast and deliver x spell for a temp it should to the same time for a sorc. I'm saying I should be as good as being able to MY OWN SKILLS as the next guy with his. Here you go I'll break it down easier for you to understand. If a sorc had a sword, does he swing slower than if a DK swung it? See get it, the DK most likely will hit for more power but the swing time is the same. Get it?0 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »I mean if you want to say temps aren't as good at casting THEIR spells then why even put the skill in there?
I never said that, you're assuming that that he wants the same exact spells he just wants the spells to match up in power against the sorcerer's Burst Abilities. You're saying you want balance, well this is called Pure Balance.
Balance as in my ability to use MY OWN CLASS SPECIFIC SKILLS. My god, balance as in if takes x time to cast and deliver x spell for a temp it should to the same time for a sorc. I'm saying I should be as good as being able to MY OWN SKILLS as the next guy with his. Here you go I'll break it down easier for you to understand. If a sorc had a sword, does he swing slower than if a DK swung it? See get it, the DK most likely will hit for more power but the swing time is the same. Get it?
No because your argument is about other classes using other classes abilities which already means imbalances will happen.Edited by AaronLannister on July 29, 2015 4:28AM0 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭What he wants is class duplication with just different skins for spells
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭Mos-De-Atmo wrote: »It would be too similar to Crystal Fragments, but perhaps a chance to proc a different thing, sort of like Grim Focus turning into Assassins Will or Deadly Cloak turning into Flying Blade... So like Dark Flare could proc something that does... something...
It does do something:
Conjure a ball of solar energy to heave at an enemy for 27 Magic Damage.
Afflicts target and nearby enemies with Major Defile, reducing the effectiveness of healing on them by 30% for 6 seconds.
Also grants you Empower, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%.
New Effect:
Nearby enemies receive less healing.
Whether you like it or not, use it or not .. it does do something. Every class has skills that get used more rarely in place of others..name of the game. Pick your favorites and use them.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0 -
Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know about an instant cast, but it does have a really long travel time that could use shortening.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault0 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭I suggest Daaaaark Flaaaaare to be changed to AoE spell that would be cast on spot rather than a player, like e.g. Volcanic Rune. It would be still easy to dodge, but thanks to its speed or rather utter lack of it, players would dodge and then forget it would be still somewhere in the air, and could accidentally dodge back into the impact area before it would land.
If the devs decided to go with the inferior OP suggestion, they should at least rename it as well, to e.g. Templar Fragments or Crystal Flare.Edited by JamilaRaj on July 29, 2015 8:21AM1 -
BugCollector✭✭✭✭Please mods, put this is in the PTS section.May knowledge guide you to enlightenment0
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Pman85✭✭✭✭One of the updates for IC to the Templar is to make some majika spell projectiles much faster. Check out the patch notes for ICGuildmaster - Order of Stendarr [XB1] - Apply today!
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✭✭✭✭✭I think they intended backlash to be the templars burst ability.PS4 / NA
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✭✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »I mean if you want to say temps aren't as good at casting THEIR spells then why even put the skill in there?
I never said that, you're assuming that that he wants the same exact spells he just wants the spells to match up in power against the sorcerer's Burst Abilities. You're saying you want balance, well this is called Pure Balance.
Balance as in my ability to use MY OWN CLASS SPECIFIC SKILLS. My god, balance as in if takes x time to cast and deliver x spell for a temp it should to the same time for a sorc. I'm saying I should be as good as being able to MY OWN SKILLS as the next guy with his. Here you go I'll break it down easier for you to understand. If a sorc had a sword, does he swing slower than if a DK swung it? See get it, the DK most likely will hit for more power but the swing time is the same. Get it?
There is one major thing that you are missing out here friend.
They are completely different spells.
CRYSTAL FRAGMENTS IV
Cast Time 1 seconds
Target Enemy
Range 28 meters
Cost 3145 Magicka
Conjure dark crystals to bombard an enemy, dealing 1580 Magic Damage and knocking them down for 2 seconds.
Casting other spells has a 35% chance of causing your next Crystal Fragments to be instant, doing 20% more damage, and costing 50% less Magicka.
DARK FLARE IV
Cast Time 1.1 seconds
Target Enemy
Range 28 meters
Cost 2520 Magicka
Conjure a ball of solar energy to heave at an enemy for 1662 Magic Damage.
Afflicts target and nearby enemies with Major Defile, reducing the effectiveness of healing on them by 30% for 6 seconds.
Also grants you Empower, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%.
So they are very similar except a few things.
1. Major Defile is a beast of a debuff that is put on a GROUP of enemies.
2. Major Empower ensures you get the higher damage on ANY attack, not just the possibility that your next frag will do damage.
3. Frags are only worth it when they proc or from stealth.
So sure remove the debuff and the buff from darkflare, make it knock down the enemy and then give it a chance to proc and get instant cast from other spells.
OH WAIT thats frags.
So you are asking not for an equal spell to frags, you are asking for a spell that destroys it.
And the sword analogy is broken because each class will swing the sword at exactly the same speed and do exactly the same damage if everything else is equal. Weapon damage is not class based.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0
