Text chat was never a balance for ganking; ganking is part of any pvp MMO.

Area chat, if you care to use it, allows most people to warn each other of this kind of thing.

If you leave a keep in a pvp area, dont expect your transit to be free of danger. That's what pvp is all about.

Dalglish wrote: »

Text chat was never a balance for ganking; ganking is part of any pvp MMO.

Area chat, if you care to use it, allows most people to warn each other of this kind of thing.

If you leave a keep in a pvp area, dont expect your transit to be free of danger. That's what pvp is all about.

no pvp is about killing other players, how you choose to go about that is all about you as a player.

you could CHOOSE to aim for fights where the other guy has a chance to fight back if you enjoy testing yourself even a little.
You could CHOOSE to go for the lamest tactics available and try to farm folk to grind AP as efficiently as possible cos that matters more than fun fights where you might actually lose.

the game allows for that and everything in between. however my point is that unless your willing to stand in keeps chouting in area chat warning folk in the hope they have area chat enabled the lack of global chat makes ganking even easier than before cos most folk won't stand shouting warnings down the mike all day.

but from a guy who's transfered to console from PC and managed to be emperor on the busiest server by farming new players i can understand what you find enjoyable pvp to be. what you do is within the rules ofc ... but it is what it is.

everyone can form their own opinions on whether that makes you awesome or sad.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Get a group together and gank the gankers hit em volcanic rune and the lols are endless I do it all the time. Even cold fire has the same effect. It's possible to outsmart them if you think about it. I've sat in one spot for over an hour with mates to gank gankers and it was worth the wait. Teabag em when they are dead and it's and watch them rage spawn lol

i,m not saying its impossible to go kill the gankers if you can get a group together and do it. My point is its much harder to do so , where as on pc a shout would go out in global chat from the first guy to get ganked and the gankers would be removed pretty fast.

on console its much more difficult to do that which is why its far far more prevelant than on PC.

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I know what you are saying and. Have thought about it before. But I just accept it or what it was. After all text chat has always been fundamental to pc and voice chat for consoles. We all have our opinions and experiences tho.

ye , the rub for me is that as i said when cyrodiil was designed it was designed with global chat in mind. it was intrinsic in their thinking when making the map so big with extended transit lines and the sheer number of people involved.

now with the removal of global chat on consoles and every other design being the same this is the by product.

for me it makes the whole experience much more frustrating for new players and thats bad for the health of the game.

this is compounded by the fact that it seems to be console transfers that are abusing this .. which makes it even more frustrating for new players who havent had the time to get high speed and stamina on horses to try to survive the gauntlet , and even if they survive the intial gank are low level and don't have any chance to fight back.

Dalglish wrote: »

I completely agree with not farming lowbies, I personally hang around keeps to get kills of groups; ganking from horses transit lines is just not enough AP and not something I would do.

But ganking IS a playstyle for many, and is a valid tactic for AvAvA. Same with zerging in stupid lag-trains, it's a playstyle; just because people don't like it, no-one is going to stop those guys from forming them.

And regarding the continuing attack; If I could gain champion points while playing in the non vet campaign with a new character I would completely go for it, unfortunately that's not possible.

I play ESO for pvp, agreed transfers are completely overpowered atm but I enjoy the game, and will still enjoy it when more and more people can counter me; I'll just find more ways to be effective.

i,m not saying it isn't allowed or whatever. it is and always has benn a playstyle folk choose. My point is that with the removal of the most effective counter to it. ( instant mass communication) which in any very large scale battle is the best weapon everyone has. what you have is "gankers paradise"

i understand the point about champion points while levelling up a new toon. I chose to take that hit and do it though. i wanted to at least try to have the same experience as new players. Rather than ruin their fun for my gratification.

i figured i already had 200 CP of a head start on new console players and that was plenty. missing on a another 50 or so while levelling up a new guy was still going to leave me ahead of them when i hit vet.

I just think its completely sad and worthy of nothing but contempt the way most of the console transfers are choosing to abuse their power. A sad endictment on the mindset of pvp players who act like that. folk said this would be what happens but i hoped it wouldn't be that way.

If you're getting mad about gankers then it sounds like you have an L2P issue

People on pc are barely using the chat anyway.
Keep is under attack and you won't get any information about the siege side or the amount of enemys.
Actually you won't get any information about anything..

Dalglish wrote: »

I have never really seen or used text chat for dealing with gankers on PC.

People just dealt with them or found a way to bypass them. Console players will learn to do the same.

well it would seem dumb not to use the best weapon in your arsenal, communication is king in mass pvp , hence why teams on teamspeak do so well and always have in any pvp.

if you don't use the easiest way to achieve mass communication to help that seems pretty idiotic.

not much of an emperor, which is kinda funny , i'm sure when they decided to have emperors in cyrodiil they hoped emperor's would show leadership and lead the battle.... what they got was jobless people farming noobs.. ironic

still my point stands the lack of it on console is an issue which changes the meta in favour of ganking which is kinda crap imo.

Dalglish wrote: »

You just answered your own question, people play the game using teamspeak or some kind of voice communication. If people mention gankers on PC zone chat, people end up just laughing at you and telling you to deal with it or avoid it.

I logged on PC recently and the only things I see in chat is 'lfg'.

You say you don't have issues with it coming from pc, but you create a topic specifically mentioning it.

Maybe you don't have communication because no-one wants to play with you.

Your general issue is valid, but to put it into context by using ganking as an example is silly.

If a group of 10-15 people streaming from a keep can all be ganked then they probably deserve to be ganked; if you are on your own, you have to expect to be attacked if you are following a transit line, actually ANYWHERE in Cyrodiil, its a pvp zone.

Regarding the Emperor jibe; people lead in different ways, I speak in area chat when I need to but I would never want to spam zone and try get people to do things they don't wanna do. You confuse Emperor with Dictator.

so in your eye's i can only speak about the subject if its a problem for me personally?

is it an alien concept that perhaps i can discuss something i observe that doesnt affect me personally

i play with the guys who joined console from other games, thats why i decided to level up a new toon to play with. you were the one said you run around solo most of the time, but i guess thats why lack of communication from your enemys suits you fine, they cant easily co-ordinate a response to what you and the other transfers are doing.

lots of the cheap farming tricks that everyone learnt about and avoids on PC are being employed by the transfers , farming in towers cos new players dont know to destroy the tower before flipping it , at least we no longer have ground oil to enable that cheap tactic to be even more cheesy.

and thats the thing all the cheap tactics that everyone has learnt about on pc are now being used by the transfers like yourself, to farm all the new players knowing that you have months before they can unlock counters like caltrops or simply be made aware of how to deal with it through communication.

its a whole new level of lameness imo.

my observation is simply that the lack of communication simply compounds this and will probably hurt the game. ive been in groups and we see you coming with your perma stealth looking for groups of new players to prox det and spam ultimates at. and its like

"sigh theres dalglish back" "anyone high enough in AW to have caltrops here?" " nope" ... best just leave then ....

cant kill a perma stealth emperor if you cant get him out of stealth for more than a millisecond at a time.

its like back in Auriels bow when Shido was running around and all the batswarm dks were killing whole zergs solo.
remember how lame EVERYONE thought that was?

well your now that guy, exactly the same . those guys farmed to vet10 when the vast majority of the server wasn't even vet 1 then abused it to hell. well thats what all these guys are doing . except worse , cos its also using nirnhoned, AW 10 percs as well as just being vastly over levelled.

hell sypher even made a video of exactly what you been doing in the first week of console, and he said it was an absolute joke this was allowed. Fair play to him he promptly stopped , i respect that...

you on the other hand just do it day in and day out...

Dalglish wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

You just answered your own question, people play the game using teamspeak or some kind of voice communication. If people mention gankers on PC zone chat, people end up just laughing at you and telling you to deal with it or avoid it.

I logged on PC recently and the only things I see in chat is 'lfg'.

You say you don't have issues with it coming from pc, but you create a topic specifically mentioning it.

Maybe you don't have communication because no-one wants to play with you.

Your general issue is valid, but to put it into context by using ganking as an example is silly.

If a group of 10-15 people streaming from a keep can all be ganked then they probably deserve to be ganked; if you are on your own, you have to expect to be attacked if you are following a transit line, actually ANYWHERE in Cyrodiil, its a pvp zone.

Regarding the Emperor jibe; people lead in different ways, I speak in area chat when I need to but I would never want to spam zone and try get people to do things they don't wanna do. You confuse Emperor with Dictator.

so in your eye's i can only speak about the subject if its a problem for me personally?

is it an alien concept that perhaps i can discuss something i observe that doesnt affect me personally

i play with the guys who joined console from other games, thats why i decided to level up a new toon to play with. you were the one said you run around solo most of the time, but i guess thats why lack of communication from your enemys suits you fine, they cant easily co-ordinate a response to what you and the other transfers are doing.

lots of the cheap farming tricks that everyone learnt about and avoids on PC are being employed by the transfers , farming in towers cos new players dont know to destroy the tower before flipping it , at least we no longer have ground oil to enable that cheap tactic to be even more cheesy.

and thats the thing all the cheap tactics that everyone has learnt about on pc are now being used by the transfers like yourself, to farm all the new players knowing that you have months before they can unlock counters like caltrops or simply be made aware of how to deal with it through communication.

its a whole new level of lameness imo.

my observation is simply that the lack of communication simply compounds this and will probably hurt the game. ive been in groups and we see you coming with your perma stealth looking for groups of new players to prox det and spam ultimates at. and its like

"sigh theres dalglish back" "anyone high enough in AW to have caltrops here?" " nope" ... best just leave then ....

cant kill a perma stealth emperor if you cant get him out of stealth for more than a millisecond at a time.

its like back in Auriels bow when Shido was running around and all the batswarm dks were killing whole zergs solo.
remember how lame EVERYONE thought that was?

well your now that guy, exactly the same . those guys farmed to vet10 when the vast majority of the server wasn't even vet 1 then abused it to hell. well thats what all these guys are doing . except worse , cos its also using nirnhoned, AW 10 percs as well as just being vastly over levelled.

hell sypher even made a video of exactly what you been doing in the first week of console, and he said it was an absolute joke this was allowed. Fair play to him he promptly stopped , i respect that...

you on the other hand just do it day in and day out...

Thats the thing, Sypher makes part of his living through Twitch playing this game and he has PC to go back to. He kind of has to hold himself to account for what he does or he might lose some of his following or ESO 'integrity'.



I fully understand people having problems with it. For this campaign I was just going for emperor once and was going to sit back, but then an EP emperor came along exploiting his camo hunter caltrops, killing entire factions with an exploit. He even had a group of 10-15 pugs following him around using the same exploit.

I don't know what alliance you belong to, but I was asked by certain parts of EP faction to keep emperor so that he couldn't cheat for the rest of the campaign.

No, I don't care if people communicate, its not better for me personally because my faction does some stupid stupid things, if I could communicate with them it would be more efficient.

Right now, the lack of communication has stopped zerg trains from forming anywhere nearly as quick as it would happen with a general zone chat. THAT is what I am happy about, because it is better for everyone who wants to enjoy a game that isn't sub-5 fps.

Seeing as you like to dismiss everything and everyone, ill not continue this never ending story.

ah ok so you admit that doing what you and other transfer abusers are doing is being a ***, after all if you understand the lack of integrity it shows, and thats why a streamer like sypher showed it up them promptly stopped. then by logical extention you knew you were being a tool but carried on anyway thinking nobody would notice and call you out.

bummer for you xbox shows your gamer tag eh

then you go to the adolescent excuse of " i was going to stop but some guys told me to keep going"

using the excuse it was a kind of moral crusade against camo hunter abuse (which is neither limited to transfers or a single faction, its a console bug) is again weak and feeble.

but i,ll leave it here, i think we,ve established what kind of uber emperor you are , may your reign be filled with glory and i'm sure everyone respects the player you obviously are.

hamon wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

You just answered your own question, people play the game using teamspeak or some kind of voice communication. If people mention gankers on PC zone chat, people end up just laughing at you and telling you to deal with it or avoid it.

I logged on PC recently and the only things I see in chat is 'lfg'.

You say you don't have issues with it coming from pc, but you create a topic specifically mentioning it.

Maybe you don't have communication because no-one wants to play with you.

Your general issue is valid, but to put it into context by using ganking as an example is silly.

If a group of 10-15 people streaming from a keep can all be ganked then they probably deserve to be ganked; if you are on your own, you have to expect to be attacked if you are following a transit line, actually ANYWHERE in Cyrodiil, its a pvp zone.

Regarding the Emperor jibe; people lead in different ways, I speak in area chat when I need to but I would never want to spam zone and try get people to do things they don't wanna do. You confuse Emperor with Dictator.

so in your eye's i can only speak about the subject if its a problem for me personally?

is it an alien concept that perhaps i can discuss something i observe that doesnt affect me personally

i play with the guys who joined console from other games, thats why i decided to level up a new toon to play with. you were the one said you run around solo most of the time, but i guess thats why lack of communication from your enemys suits you fine, they cant easily co-ordinate a response to what you and the other transfers are doing.

lots of the cheap farming tricks that everyone learnt about and avoids on PC are being employed by the transfers , farming in towers cos new players dont know to destroy the tower before flipping it , at least we no longer have ground oil to enable that cheap tactic to be even more cheesy.

and thats the thing all the cheap tactics that everyone has learnt about on pc are now being used by the transfers like yourself, to farm all the new players knowing that you have months before they can unlock counters like caltrops or simply be made aware of how to deal with it through communication.

its a whole new level of lameness imo.

my observation is simply that the lack of communication simply compounds this and will probably hurt the game. ive been in groups and we see you coming with your perma stealth looking for groups of new players to prox det and spam ultimates at. and its like

"sigh theres dalglish back" "anyone high enough in AW to have caltrops here?" " nope" ... best just leave then ....

cant kill a perma stealth emperor if you cant get him out of stealth for more than a millisecond at a time.

its like back in Auriels bow when Shido was running around and all the batswarm dks were killing whole zergs solo.
remember how lame EVERYONE thought that was?

well your now that guy, exactly the same . those guys farmed to vet10 when the vast majority of the server wasn't even vet 1 then abused it to hell. well thats what all these guys are doing . except worse , cos its also using nirnhoned, AW 10 percs as well as just being vastly over levelled.

hell sypher even made a video of exactly what you been doing in the first week of console, and he said it was an absolute joke this was allowed. Fair play to him he promptly stopped , i respect that...

you on the other hand just do it day in and day out...

Thats the thing, Sypher makes part of his living through Twitch playing this game and he has PC to go back to. He kind of has to hold himself to account for what he does or he might lose some of his following or ESO 'integrity'.



I fully understand people having problems with it. For this campaign I was just going for emperor once and was going to sit back, but then an EP emperor came along exploiting his camo hunter caltrops, killing entire factions with an exploit. He even had a group of 10-15 pugs following him around using the same exploit.

I don't know what alliance you belong to, but I was asked by certain parts of EP faction to keep emperor so that he couldn't cheat for the rest of the campaign.

No, I don't care if people communicate, its not better for me personally because my faction does some stupid stupid things, if I could communicate with them it would be more efficient.

Right now, the lack of communication has stopped zerg trains from forming anywhere nearly as quick as it would happen with a general zone chat. THAT is what I am happy about, because it is better for everyone who wants to enjoy a game that isn't sub-5 fps.

Seeing as you like to dismiss everything and everyone, ill not continue this never ending story.

ah ok so you admit that doing what you and other transfer abusers are doing is being a ***, after all if you understand the lack of integrity it shows, and thats why a streamer like sypher showed it up them promptly stopped. then by logical extention you knew you were being a tool but carried on anyway thinking nobody would notice and call you out.

bummer for you xbox shows your gamer tag eh

then you go to the adolescent excuse of " i was going to stop but some guys told me to keep going"

using the excuse it was a kind of moral crusade against camo hunter abuse (which is neither limited to transfers or a single faction, its a console bug) is again weak and feeble.

but i,ll leave it here, i think we,ve established what kind of uber emperor you are , may your reign be filled with glory and i'm sure everyone respects the player you obviously are.

I am not Sypher, I don't earn my living from playing this game so I dont have to think about the consequences of my actions. I am playing a game that I have paid for.

I've done everything in PvE that this game has to offer so I only play PvP, for you to expect me to level up yet another character that i've already done 4 times on pc; or wait for a couple of months to play, is farcical.

What this game should have offered from launch is a catch-up mechanism, whereby anyone with lower champion points would gain items at an expedited rate.

It should never of been an option, but I have paid for the privilege and I'll be damned before I let some forum *** think he can decide how or when I play.

Why would I be bothered that my gamertag is there to be seen? It's in my signature you weirdo.

It's not a morale crusade, but a choice I made to try to stop an exploiter.

I don't claim to be this uber emperor, I'm just someone who likes to play pvp ESO. I have an advantage at the moment sure, but it's not gonna last long and will even itself out as I explained earlier; much quicker than you seem to suggest. You make too many assumptions about my personality/lifestyle, it is a GAME! Play it instead of coming on here to QQ tirelessly.

I've always thought that a GROUP LEADERS channel (or as many as needed) should automatically be created when a group leader is created/selected). Only GROUP LEADERS would have access while they are GROUP LEADER to cut down on cross-talk). This would allow GROUP LEADERS to communicate/coordinate far better...

Hmm, maybe that might not be a good thing?