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So i was watching my friend play in Eastmarch and she tried to go further north to see if she could get to Winterhold. By no means did we think she could get there, but looking at the main map there isn't really land north of Windhelm. Looking at an old Skyrim map you had a good amount of land North of it. So is there lore that says north of Windhelm an island collided with Skyrim to take that northern part? Or did ZOS mess up some of the mapping?
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, the mapping is a little bjorked up. I think the ESO map puts Winterhold to the west of where it should be, between Dawnstar and Windhelm. But... *shrugs* the map's weird right now. It might be revised someday, though.0 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭The maps messed up. Chorral (city in TES 4 oblivion) would be situated in the Bangkorai desert area. Unless Bangkorai's geography pretty much makes a 180° in less than 1000 years then it too is in wrong location. Chedinhal is also in an improper location/geography.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The maps messed up. Chorral (city in TES 4 oblivion) would be situated in the Bangkorai desert area. Unless Bangkorai's geography pretty much makes a 180° in less than 1000 years then it too is in wrong location. Chedinhal is also in an improper location/geography.
Colovia is south of the A'likr. So, that's not at issue. The entire map is truncated weirdly, but it's just kinda warped, not completely wrong the way Skyrim's north coast is.0 -
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✭✭✭Skyrim was rather massive in TESV so adding Skyrim's entirety into TESO would require even MORE game data than we have now. In fact I am sure every single region was toned down to make space. Can you imagine this game with EVERY region as big as Skyrim was in TESV? There had to be compromise to make it fit. Also this is 2E not 4E so naturally things are different.
Must say though I really wanted to see Winterhold before it got ruined...Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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I expected this when I went in, but I didn't expect a complete destruction of land.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Also this is 2E not 4E so naturally things are different.
One question that's been bugging me since Skyrim, and now ESO, is how in the world was Riften ever a shipping port? Judging from the layouts of both areas, there's no freaking way ships could get in or out, let alone trade.
I can only surmise there was a catastrophic event between 2E and 4E which not only opened up the river so ships can get to Riften, but the mountainous region allowing passing, especially from Ivarstead to Falkreath (the entire mountain is closed off).
I'm putting the blame squarely on Sheogorath. Punkster that he is.
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✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Maybe they should just remove Elder Scrolls from the name of the game. I mean, what did they expect? Of course the name has drawn many, MANY fans of the ES series. Nothing wrong with expecting more continuity.
Personally, I am disappointed that the Falmer are missing in ESO.
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Huh? Where did it say that? I thought all of the lore referred to Riften as a hub of caravan trade (particularly between Skyrim and Morrowind). I mean, it is on a lake, so it would make sense for there to be some trade on the lake, but I thought the bulk of Riften's trade was always supposed to be by caravan.One question that's been bugging me since Skyrim, and now ESO, is how in the world was Riften ever a shipping port? Judging from the layouts of both areas, there's no freaking way ships could get in or out, let alone trade.
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Not sure when I said it was Skyrim 2.0... I am just asking why the land is different and missing in 2E than in 4E? Did all a sudden land fall from the sky right above Windhelm?Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
I get would have taken more time to create the whole land, but they could do what they did with other parts and shown them right on the map but not accessible right now in game.PSN: blinkgirl211 - if try adding me send message first cause lots of random people always tries to add me...1 -
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Not sure when I said it was Skyrim 2.0... I am just asking why the land is different and missing in 2E than in 4E? Did all a sudden land fall from the sky right above Windhelm?Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
I get would have taken more time to create the whole land, but they could do what they did with other parts and shown them right on the map but not accessible right now in game.
The issue isn't the time it'd take to add it but the amount of extra data involved on top of that massive 15.8GB we have as well as probably having to do the same to every other region in the game to balance them out and not make it seem like the focus was solely on Skyrim. If we got the same Skyrim geographically speaking that we had in TESV TESO's Skyrim would be about double or more its current size. Too many people would then complain other areas aren't as big and everyone would pretty much go EP and so on...
Basically all of Tamriel needs to be equal, regardless of whatever expense that means which in this case was many of Skyrim's holds.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 28, 2015 10:53PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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ESO zones are actually 1,5x the size of the same zones in previous TES games (from redguard onwards), there is some differences in the landscape but the heighmap is the same scaled a bit larger to better accommodate a MMO population, they had to add barriers in the borders of the zones to prevent players from entering non-developed zones yet and they chose mountains and rocks to this instead of just invisible walls, when/if they release a zone connected to another they'll edit the landscape around the borders to open passes just like they did with lower craglorn when upper craglorn was released, another example is the lack of blacklight's area in morrowind in the first ESO map that they added latterEdited by WolffenBloodseeker on July 28, 2015 11:26PM0 -
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Huh? Where did it say that? I thought all of the lore referred to Riften as a hub of caravan trade (particularly between Skyrim and Morrowind). I mean, it is on a lake, so it would make sense for there to be some trade on the lake, but I thought the bulk of Riften's trade was always supposed to be by caravan.One question that's been bugging me since Skyrim, and now ESO, is how in the world was Riften ever a shipping port? Judging from the layouts of both areas, there's no freaking way ships could get in or out, let alone trade.
Of Crossed Daggers from Skyrim. Though, yeah, it does specify that it was an overland trade point for interaction between Skyrim and Morrowind. Not a shipping port.0 -
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I know, right? It's slowly expanding to take over Morrowind and parts of itself. How will we stop it!?0 -
scottymidgleySoul ShrivenForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
What, this isn't skyrim multiplayer?? Damn, now I feel cheated! It said older scroll game when I bought it, and killing dragons with shouting at it was the only reason I got it. I will refuse to play the game now, or buy anything else from zenimax! Even fallout 4!!
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Pendrillion✭✭✭✭As far as I hear the Nord Cartographers borked royaly, according to Lawrence Schick. Also... The Western Part of Morrowind is almost eaten up by Skyrim. Furthermore, from ingame accounts the Whiterun holds and other Marches and some areas from Morrowind did not Partake in the Ebonheart Pact. So far... Which I find a bit dubious. But Okay...
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SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭So i was watching my friend play in Eastmarch and she tried to go further north to see if she could get to Winterhold. By no means did we think she could get there, but looking at the main map there isn't really land north of Windhelm. Looking at an old Skyrim map you had a good amount of land North of it. So is there lore that says north of Windhelm an island collided with Skyrim to take that northern part? Or did ZOS mess up some of the mapping?
Cartographers at this moment in time are still learning their craft so maos arent accurate ...
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Hmm why is it that, when I post something about other games(Games that is not ESO) I get a warning, and the post is taken down?
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✭✭✭✭✭timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »Hmm why is it that, when I post something about other games(Games that is not ESO) I get a warning, and the post is taken down?
You could always ask the moderator involved for clarification on the actual PM they sent you notifying the post was removed. I mean, that is an option open to you.0 -
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That would be cool to see, vivec.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »Hmm why is it that, when I post something about other games(Games that is not ESO) I get a warning, and the post is taken down?
Because this is an ESO forum, with no off-topic subforums. Threads about other games don't contribute to discussion about ESO, so they are shut down. I don't necessarily agree that it should be that way, but I understand that it's zeni's stance, and this is their forum to run how they like.
This thread has stayed open because it is about ESO, specifically the map of the Skyrim province in ESO compared to the known world map from 4E 201. It led to more in depth analysis and discussion of the maps in ESO and other Tamrielic games and sources.
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✭✭✭✭✭timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »Hmm why is it that, when I post something about other games(Games that is not ESO) I get a warning, and the post is taken down?
Because this is an ESO forum, with no off-topic subforums. Threads about other games don't contribute to discussion about ESO, so they are shut down. I don't necessarily agree that it should be that way, but I understand that it's zeni's stance, and this is their forum to run how they like.
This thread has stayed open because it is about ESO, specifically the map of the Skyrim province in ESO compared to the known world map from 4E 201. It led to more in depth analysis and discussion of the maps in ESO and other Tamrielic games and sources.
That's why
Also, Elder Scrolls lore related stuff tends to be safe on here, even if it doesn't directly pertain to ESO. But, that's a specific (and as far as I can remember, informal) exception.0 -
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Why would you find that dubious? In this era Skyrim is divided in two, with a High King in Windhelm, and a High King in Solitude. Actually, I guess it's divided in 3 because I believe the Reach is its own independent kingdom ruled by the Reachmen. Only Eastern Skyrim (under Jorunn) is part of the Ebonheart Pact - Western Skyrim is staying out of the alliance war (for now anyway).Pendrillion wrote: »As far as I hear the Nord Cartographers borked royaly, according to Lawrence Schick. Also... The Western Part of Morrowind is almost eaten up by Skyrim. Furthermore, from ingame accounts the Whiterun holds and other Marches and some areas from Morrowind did not Partake in the Ebonheart Pact. So far... Which I find a bit dubious. But Okay...
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VilhelmValhalla4✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Maybe they should just remove Elder Scrolls from the name of the game. I mean, what did they expect? Of course the name has drawn many, MANY fans of the ES series. Nothing wrong with expecting more continuity.
Personally, I am disappointed that the Falmer are missing in ESO.
I agree, what does wanting at least some continuity between ESO and the other games in the series have to do with "Skyrim 2.0?" It seems that any time someone has an issue with something in the game that even mentions a prior entry in the series, some numbskull copy-pastes that same old line. It has worn thin and continues to...1 -
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✭timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »Hmm why is it that, when I post something about other games(Games that is not ESO) I get a warning, and the post is taken down?
We're sensitive. It's a forum on Elder Scrolls Only. We only talk about Elder Scrolls Online. No talking about anything else. EVER!0 -
Reeko✭✭✭✭Keep in mind Cyrodill is scaled to the same sze as it was in Oblivion and look at how many people complain about all the "horse simulation" that goes on in there. Imagine having to ride your mount for 5 minutes to get to the next quest hub! No thanks.1 -
XLucifer666Soul ShrivenIm surprised someone hasnt Chimerd (TES puns
)in this takes place in the 2nd era before the birth or ascention of Talos AKA:Tiber Septim. When he was named a Septim and ushered in the third age he used the power of Chim to reform the landscape of Tamriel. While this isnt a official explanation, it is a part of the lore that can be used to explain this discrepency. My bad this was done to erase the jungle landscape of cyrodil and was a localized event not Tamriel wide Edited by XLucifer666 on July 31, 2015 7:13AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So i was watching my friend play in Eastmarch and she tried to go further north to see if she could get to Winterhold. By no means did we think she could get there, but looking at the main map there isn't really land north of Windhelm. Looking at an old Skyrim map you had a good amount of land North of it. So is there lore that says north of Windhelm an island collided with Skyrim to take that northern part? Or did ZOS mess up some of the mapping?
The lore is that Nords are just crap at drawing maps.
Seriously.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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