Sell in Guild Store question?

RobbieRocket · July 2015

Hi,
I am unsure of the wording.
If I revoke the right of a rank to "sell in Guild Store" does this return all their items OR simply not allow them to add more items to the store, so it should have been worded, "place items in Guild Store".?

Thanks in advance, if someone who knows can answer.

Ljungstroem · July 2015

RobbieRocket wrote: »

Hi,
I am unsure of the wording.
If I revoke the right of a rank to "sell in Guild Store" does this return all their items OR simply not allow them to add more items to the store, so it should have been worded, "place items in Guild Store".?

Thanks in advance, if someone who knows can answer.

I am not sure I fully understand your question but I am trying to explain the Guild Store as good as possible.

If you have your own Guild and someone has put anything up for sale and you decide to kick that member, then that member will get sent all his items within the "mail" system, so it will dissappear from the Guild Store and come back to the original owner. Also I believe this will happen if you revoke his ability to sell in the store.

Flaminir · July 2015

Why would you ever want to stop anybody selling stuff in your guild store?

The more you sell, the more gold goes into your guild bank..... you have happier players as they have another key service that they join a guild for.

Its not a facility that's really abusable either so why lock it down?

Ljungstroem · July 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

Why would you ever want to stop anybody selling stuff in your guild store?

The more you sell, the more gold goes into your guild bank..... you have happier players as they have another key service that they join a guild for.

Its not a facility that's really abusable either so why lock it down?

I don't know this but maybe he is trying to restrict someone of undercutting. I am not a fan of regulating the free market, but I would not see any other reason that you would want to remove someone of doing this.

Runefell · July 2015

Alternatively, I know that if a guild loses members so that it no longer has the guild store option, then items are still in the store, you can take them out or wait for them to expire, but you can no longer put new items up. The items are still there and available for purchase, but he won't be able to list anything new. Maybe that will happen as well. Not sure, haven't had any experience with this myself.

RobbieRocket · July 2015

Hi guys,
Thanks for your responses. Actually I didn't state my motivation and none of you quite got my questions.

The question:
Does "sell in Guild Store" actually mean "deposit items in Guild Store"? - so that when someone has that privilege revoked they actually can still sell (make a transaction) because they have items already placed in the store, but they are unable to add further items, rather than "sell in Guild Store" literally which would presumably mean all items are locked from being able to be sold.
This has nothing to do with removing a player from a guild.

The motivation (and response to "why would you restrict someone selling on Guild Store")
One possible reason you may want to remove the right to sell in a Store is if 50-60 members have deposited money and valuable items in the Guild Bank in order to finance a Guild Trader while the other 500 recruits have given nothing but will suddenly benefit from having the Trader for a week. An incentive for investment (for a further Trader week) might be to lock down sales privileges for the duration of the trade (when easy profitable sales are made) and thus encourage recruits to contribute in advance.

It is not a strategy I have in place, I am simply asking about the definition of "sell in Guild Store" and its ramifications.

Ljungstroem · July 2015

RobbieRocket wrote: »

Hi guys,
Thanks for your responses. Actually I didn't state my motivation and none of you quite got my questions.

The question:
Does "sell in Guild Store" actually mean "deposit items in Guild Store"? - so that when someone has that privilege revoked they actually can still sell (make a transaction) because they have items already placed in the store, but they are unable to add further items, rather than "sell in Guild Store" literally which would presumably mean all items are locked from being able to be sold.
This has nothing to do with removing a player from a guild.

The motivation (and response to "why would you restrict someone selling on Guild Store")
One possible reason you may want to remove the right to sell in a Store is if 50-60 members have deposited money and valuable items in the Guild Bank in order to finance a Guild Trader while the other 500 recruits have given nothing but will suddenly benefit from having the Trader for a week. An incentive for investment (for a further Trader week) might be to lock down sales privileges for the duration of the trade (when easy profitable sales are made) and thus encourage recruits to contribute in advance.

It is not a strategy I have in place, I am simply asking about the definition of "sell in Guild Store" and its ramifications.

When you have the option to "sell in guild store" you have exactly that option, to sell in the guild store. I think if you revoke that option, it will return all his items listed and they are not up for sale anymore. I have no confirmation of this but this will be my best guess. Also this prevents you from abusing your position to members by limiting their options within the guild, but still get money for his listed items.

Either way the more things listed, the higher chance of selling something and with each sale you get the fee as well, so its only beneficial to you.

RobbieRocket · July 2015

Thanks,
There's nothing unethical here. I am just trying to find out the mechanics.
I realise that more activity and less restrictions is of benefit financially and gives harmony.
Thanks again.

KaleidoscopeEyz · July 2015

The motivation (and response to "why would you restrict someone selling on Guild Store")
One possible reason you may want to remove the right to sell in a Store is if 50-60 members have deposited money and valuable items in the Guild Bank in order to finance a Guild Trader while the other 500 recruits have given nothing but will suddenly benefit from having the Trader for a week. An incentive for investment (for a further Trader week) might be to lock down sales privileges for the duration of the trade (when easy profitable sales are made) and thus encourage recruits to contribute in advance.

This makes no sense to me. Who cares who donated and who didn't. You realize the guild is getting a cut of their sales even if they don't donate. By taking away their right to sell you are cutting off your own guilds funds. You can't take a house cut of sales they don't have. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

If donations are really that important and required, then kick people out who don't donate. Maybe issue a warning first.

starkerealm · July 2015

RobbieRocket wrote: »

The motivation (and response to "why would you restrict someone selling on Guild Store")
One possible reason you may want to remove the right to sell in a Store is if 50-60 members have deposited money and valuable items in the Guild Bank in order to finance a Guild Trader while the other 500 recruits have given nothing but will suddenly benefit from having the Trader for a week. An incentive for investment (for a further Trader week) might be to lock down sales privileges for the duration of the trade (when easy profitable sales are made) and thus encourage recruits to contribute in advance.

Yeah, that's actually a terrible way to go about it.

If you get access to a kiosk, as leadership, everything sold gives you a cut. So, you recruit someone, let them sell their crap in the store, you get a piece of the proceeds. How the guild handles that money is up to you. But, even though they didn't directly chip in, they still paid you.

If you don't want that money, then no one's holding you over a barrel. But, like I said, it's a terrible approach. Having a kiosk, and keeping a line of communication with your guild on what you need to keep it is going to be far more beneficial than locking them out and saying, "no, don't touch."

I can't tell you how many guild kiosks I've seen where there's less than 100 items in the store. I can tell you how many of those I've purchased stuff from. One, someone had listed a dozen or so dwemer scrap in there at 6g per. Otherwise, they almost never have what I'm looking for. And no sale means no money for you to kick forward to next week's bidding.

RobbieRocket · July 2015

Yeah, I get all that. And while I appreciate the points you make, you say it with an air of ethical posturing.
As I have already stated I am looking into the fine mechanics of the guild, and playing models through theoretically.
I can see that in some situations, in spite of what you have said, there may be an interest to ask for money before a Guild Trader week (for the first time, especially) and how you ask for money can be done in different ways regarding incentive and opportunity.

I have made my business plan now anyway. Even at 3.5 tax sales may be good enough for a week Trader to self-finance, we will see. Luckily I have several committed Guild Heroes who donate a lot and subsidise the guild.

Thanks again.