I, for one, will litter the landscape with ballistae. Millions of AP worth of ballistae. As far as the eye can see.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

cf398ub17_ESO wrote: »

what is AP going to be useful for in the next patch if we cant new gear with it and v16 old gear will be in rewards for the worthy

What will AP be used for? The same thing it is now. PvP sets such as Ravager's, etc... will scale to VR16 and you can spend your AP on those.

All of those sets will come as rewards now...

Lava_Croft wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

cf398ub17_ESO wrote: »

what is AP going to be useful for in the next patch if we cant new gear with it and v16 old gear will be in rewards for the worthy

What will AP be used for? The same thing it is now. PvP sets such as Ravager's, etc... will scale to VR16 and you can spend your AP on those.

All of those sets will come as rewards now...

Doesn't mean you won't be able to buy them. Rewards are RNG.

But you can't transfer your AP into gold then... unless we sell them as soulgems maybe, lol.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

cf398ub17_ESO wrote: »

what is AP going to be useful for in the next patch if we cant new gear with it and v16 old gear will be in rewards for the worthy

What will AP be used for? The same thing it is now. PvP sets such as Ravager's, etc... will scale to VR16 and you can spend your AP on those.

All of those sets will come as rewards now...

Doesn't mean you won't be able to buy them. Rewards are RNG.

Pretty sure you cannot. Erik Wroebel said they designed the reward system in mind so that a player who hoarded AP could not just simply buy the new sets on day 1.

No, what he said was that the new VR15 and VR16 sets won't be able to be purchased with AP. You can still buy the PvP sets we've always had at the vendors in VR15 and VR16.

The biggest problem with them making AP worthless is all the changes for hopping campaigns - the expense involved - is now no expense at all because everyone that does that a lot already has tons of AP and nothing else to spend it on.

Every time they roll out changes I'm convinced more and more they don't listen and don't know what they are doing.

Edit: Also, I called this months ago when I took a jab at zeni after other changes they had made saying they would end up making gold worthless by rolling out a new currency. That's exactly what they did to AP here (the other type of currency in the game).

Sounds pretty unthought to make AP worthless. They should make AP convertable to Tel Var Stones. Like 100 000 AP for 1 stone. Anything but worthless.

I would expect more of these changes as they continue to put out new DLC, they need to provide a lot of justification to players to shell out for the DLC packs. Fortunately, I don't see the v14 sets not still being highly desirable for people leveling up so those will at least still allow to change AP into gold. It would have been nice to have seen some stuff added for players who have had nothing to spend AP on but such is life.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

cf398ub17_ESO wrote: »

what is AP going to be useful for in the next patch if we cant new gear with it and v16 old gear will be in rewards for the worthy

What will AP be used for? The same thing it is now. PvP sets such as Ravager's, etc... will scale to VR16 and you can spend your AP on those.

No they wont. They were quite specific that AP bought gear stopped at v14 and there wont be v15 and v16 version for sale. They said that the v14 gear would become a lot cheaper though.

I assume you will be able to buy the teleport *items* for AP.

Could this change be to discourage AP farming?

Potential uses:
- Siege (for AD people, you can buy this from the seige merchant at keeps or resources, seems to be a hidden little secret that no one on AD knows about)
- Changing campaigns if you cant wait a week and your home and guest campaign are either laggy or dead.
- Soul gems

Its yet to be seen if you can buy v15 and v16 items from the traditional pvp merchants. If they are coming in rewards or the worthy, does that mean our v15 and v16 pvp jewelery is only going to be green quality?

Obviously this change is a blow for people who used AP to sell for gold (so they can fund tri pots). It is nice being able to stay in pvp without the need to farm for gold or materials for your consumables.

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

This is pretty lame as i saved up 8 million ap for the next patch

I am getting tired of zos changing fundamental stuff like this so i can never plan ahead

They pulled this stunt with the hirelings before and now this, i get tired of wasting my time i guess

Why should people like you have an immediate head start as soon as 1.7 hits?

All that would do is discourage anyone who doesn't have that much AP from even bothering with IC etc

Edit
Besides I would think its only temporary. Sooner or later v16 gear will be purchasable from the vendor /speculation

Well, the head start is really meaningless. The difference between v14 and v16 sets would be minuscule like between v14 and v12 sets. There might be 1% difference in the stats, if that. Providing them satisfies the min/max'ers obsession without actually making any difference in power balance.

The 26 new sets that ZOS adds of course won't be for sale by AP vendors so those you have to play in IC to get, like everyone else. The new sets, the new dungeons, the new crafting styles, the new environs... that's what will be motivate you to buy and play IC.

I don't see how being able to buy v16 Ravager would put you off exploring all the new stuff in the IC? Imean they said that v16 sets will be dropped in Rewards for the Worthy. So the sets you can currently buy as V14, you will be able to get for v16 without entering IC anyway.

The problem here is that they are making a form of currency redundant because some people accumulated loads of it. Imagine what would happen if gold was replaced by some other currency because some people have millions of it?

And yes, I do hope it's temporary and that within a month or two they will add v16 items to the AP vendors. Otherwise the sole source of income of PvP players

I'm really bummed about the potential of AP being absolutely useless come the next patch. It seems like another point of poor planning to simply render a fundamental game mechanic useless. Pvp'ers finally, after months and months and months of having little to contribute to the game economy, had some way of interacting with the market and providing goods to sell, and if all that AP loses its value (because people will want v16 stuff not v14), then we're left once again outside a very key portion of the game.

Ezareth wrote: »

Why reward the AP Farmers IMO? They 90% of the problem with PvP right now.

I've been converting my AP to Gold and gold mats (While they're cheap).

Yah but what's an AP farmer anymore? No one chases scroll farms. People don't cap bloodmayne much anymore. I haven't seen people tearing down the stairs at glademist in months... I know some people very occasionally still get whole guilds to come die for them for emp and crap like that, but it's so few and far between that it's hardly worth mentioning. Anything that discourages pvp at this point seems like a bad idea, it's been beleaguered enough already... and diminishing one of the main rewards that pvp offered is kinda... discouraging.

Yonkit wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Why reward the AP Farmers IMO? They 90% of the problem with PvP right now.

I've been converting my AP to Gold and gold mats (While they're cheap).

Yah but what's an AP farmer anymore? No one chases scroll farms. People don't cap bloodmayne much anymore. I haven't seen people tearing down the stairs at glademist in months... I know some people very occasionally still get whole guilds to come die for them for emp and crap like that, but it's so few and far between that it's hardly worth mentioning. Anything that discourages pvp at this point seems like a bad idea, it's been beleaguered enough already... and diminishing one of the main rewards that pvp offered is kinda... discouraging.

I don't know, try coming to a dead campaign sometime....pretty much every campaign other than Azura's most time.

Groups of 10+ people killing unorganized pugs on campaigns that their side owns or going to another campaign they dont own and take a keep deep in enemy territory then farm the pugs that show up to defend it. I've seen your group doing this on Chill as well (and I'll say most of the time you were there it looked like even odds which is fine). What kills PvP for me is the absence of competition. I like fair odds, not zerg-stomping pugs and not fighting 5 on 1 odds at my gates or home keeps by the dominant team.

Everyone knows Azura's is a lag-fest yet people keep going there because it is the the only place to find somewhat equal competition. The other campaigns are just completely dominated and camped by one side and they just kill everyone with overwhelming numbers over and over until they quit and head to Azura's compounding the problem. I've witnessed this happen to the majority of the DC pop on chill recently, especially after AD exploited our scrolls out of our home temples without even taking our keeps....because they are "Bored".

I could go to Azura's and earn far more CP but then I'd be adding to the problem with this game and at the end of the day AP means nothing. I live for competition and I prefer to be the underdog with a fighting chance. This whole attitude by so many people that "Farming AP" is everything has always been a real turnoff for me. I hated it back in the glory days of Alacrity on the few times I ran on "farming runs" with them and I hate it now. Removing the component that rewards this kind of behavior for me would be a positive.

it says on PTS forum the IC patch is tomorrow (28th) so soemone can atleast check the elite AP vendor right away and see