Gyudan wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

What you people fail to realize is that the Champion Point system has diminishing returns. The more points you put into a star, the less and less you get out of it each time. Even with only 50 points in a star, I'm already only getting 0.1% increase per point.

Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.

On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....

Haha come on dude, everyone knows those CPs give you a HUGE advantage, if they didn't, people like you wouldn't stick up for them so defiantly. It's what 33% stam, magic, and health regen, with 33% more spell resistant and physical resistance, along with 33% more spell absorbition and so on. Yeah 33% isn't a much. But please keep telling people about the dimisnihing return. A vet can hold his own against let's say 5 dudes and maybe kill a few if not all before he drops. A v14 with maxed cp points can whipe out 10 high level players with ease. It wasn't the more more attribute skills he acquired, it was the 33% bump in everything

But like I said a non-PC transfer campaign would be great. But the PC transfers would hate that, it would suck having to play people on your level

The various passives cap at 25%, some as low as 12%, and to reach that requires 100 Champion Points in that star. There are a maximum of 3,600 Champion Points available, which no one is even remotely close to reaching yet.

I suggest you read up on the Champion System and how it works before you post.

VR14 players were taking on and slaughtering groups of 5 to 10 opponents before the Champion System was even introduced.

@Akavir_Sentinel The increase to the 3 main stats (health, magicka, stamina) can easily reach 50% on each when comparing 0 CPs and 3600 CPs. Not everything is capped at 25%.

The "diminishing returns" are a joke.

Yes, I know that, but that is with 3,600 CP's which no one is even close to having.

Tolmos wrote: »

ITT: A lot of players who rely on a stat advantage to remain "better" that are desperate terrified of losing that crutch.

Even without Champion Points, any player that is even halfway decent and has been playing for over a year and has top end gear is still going to steamroll you.

Acrolas wrote: »

If a new player is going to use a slippery slope fallacy to justify breaking the terms of service, they shouldn't play the game.

But, you know, thanks for reading and stuff.

So at what point should that new player be able to compete? With a never ending raising bar, how does this "new player" ever get there? That's right they should never get there because they haven't played as much as you. That's a sound business model for Zos, I'm sure if it continues the game will last a long long time. As in a long time I mean the community is dead by next Christmas

Guys, the champion system is FINE. I say that when I have a whopping total of ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY-FIVE CP! People play more and work harder, so they deserve to be more powerful. That's the way games work. Yeah, people have over 1000 CP right now, but what are the odds that you'll ever run into those people in Cyrodiil. Please stop whining about nothing and just play the game.

markt84 wrote: »

All this shows is that these players don't care about the future of the game. They only care about keeping their advantage that they "worked" for. And no new player should ever be allowed to be near their level, not because they are scared of the competition, no not at all, because ummmm I'm not sure. Oh the game should be about hours grinded over skill, that's right. One hell of a community you got here Zos.

Or you can have both skill and champion points. But what's happening is most of the people I see complaining just want champion points nerfed or capped or made easier to get because they don't want to put in the time to do it themselves.

Of course casual gamers aren't lazy.

They just tend to play closed-world games. Either single-player games at their own pace, or multiplayer match games that only require a small time commitment.

The upcoming Elder Scrolls Legends online card game will be much better suited to casual gamers.

But with ESO, ZeniMax is making sure that if you play even just a few hours a week, three years from now all of your characters will feel like they have three years of experience. Not overwhelming, game-breaking power. But enough advancement that you stick around for the next adventure.

The people complaining about CP are thinking about what they don't have today, as opposed to what they'll have if they stick with the game. Which makes me think an online MMO isn't the best gaming choice for them.

markt84 wrote: »

All this shows is that these players don't care about the future of the game. They only care about keeping their advantage that they "worked" for. And no new player should ever be allowed to be near their level, not because they are scared of the competition, no not at all, because ummmm I'm not sure. Oh the game should be about hours grinded over skill, that's right. One hell of a community you got here Zos.

It's the future of the game why we defend CPs. Without CPs there is little future to look forward to.

CPs are fine, the only thing that could be added is making non vet Cyrodil campaigns free of CP advantages. But they can't make a Veteran Cyrodil campaign without CPs, because then CPs mean nothing anymore at all in PvP, and for PvE you don't need CPs, so you trivialize the entire Champion system.

Non vet campaign without CPs: yes!
Vet campaign without CPs: no!

I only have 102 CPs, but if you trivialize CPs then I have nothing to look forward to. RPGs are all about putting in time to gain strength, the level system alone is insufficient for this in ESO, but the Champion system is ideal, that is why they used it in other games too.