Need help with ideal build

Almakor · July 2015

Lately I've been falling behind with my dps and been getting some complaints. I'm a Dark Elf Templar maxed out in skill with heavy and light armor. All my Templar skills are filled along with restoration staff, destruction staff, and dual wield. Until recently, with the gear I currently have I've been able switch between dps and heal by swapping skills with no complaints. Is there any way I can keep my love to dual wield without resetting my skills and spend more then ten skill points on medium armor yet be able to switch from heal to dps?

Sandshark95 · July 2015

That's a tough one. Personally, I feel magicka Templar DPS builds are a little lackluster compared to their stamina counterparts. If you want to be able to freely switch from healing to DPS, you're kind of stuck with magicka. It would be highly unwise to attempt a hybrid magicka Healer/stamina DPS combo. You'd be spreading yourself too thin by wasting any points in medium armor; I'd suggest sticking with light to maximize your magicka DPS output.

What you're asking can certainly be done, if done correctly. Again, I'd advise against attempting to do anything involving stamina since you're mainly a Healer and (I'm assuming you would be) already specced into magicka. A Destro staff is the obvious choice as your secondary, but you honestly don't have to give up DW. You may or may not be aware of this, but DW actually increases your spell power, more so than a staff. I won't go into specifics here to save space, but I can if you're interested. It seems counterintuitive; however, it's indeed a known fact that your spells will do more damage while dual-wielding. This is what makes a magicka melee build perfectly viable, and it's precisely why you don't have to give up DW as your secondary. You simply won't be using many (if any) DW skills (because they scale with stamina) on your DPS bar; you''ll supplement with Templar and Mages Guild skills.

Now, as for specific skills to use while DPSing, I can't provide too much insight. Inner Light (morph of Magelight, Mages Guild skill) is probably a given. Structured Entropy (morph of Entropy, Mages Guild skill) could also be a good addition. Assuming you don't use the other morph, Radiant Oppression (morph of Radiant Destruction) might be a nice skill to have on your bar. I'll provide a link below to a decent-looking DW magicka Templar DPS build you can look at for more suggestions; I'm actually planning on taking a few pointers from it myself on my Templar Healer when I get around to building up my secondary DPS bar.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/aedrics-warrior-magicka-build-templar-dd/

Hope that helps

Almakor · July 2015

Sandshark95 wrote: »

That's a tough one. Personally, I feel magicka Templar DPS builds are a little lackluster compared to their stamina counterparts. If you want to be able to freely switch from healing to DPS, you're kind of stuck with magicka. It would be highly unwise to attempt a hybrid magicka Healer/stamina DPS combo. You'd be spreading yourself too thin by wasting any points in medium armor; I'd suggest sticking with light to maximize your magicka DPS output.

What you're asking can certainly be done, if done correctly. Again, I'd advise against attempting to do anything involving stamina since you're mainly a Healer and (I'm assuming you would be) already specced into magicka. A Destro staff is the obvious choice as your secondary, but you honestly don't have to give up DW. You may or may not be aware of this, but DW actually increases your spell power, more so than a staff. I won't go into specifics here to save space, but I can if you're interested. It seems counterintuitive; however, it's indeed a known fact that your spells will do more damage while dual-wielding. This is what makes a magicka melee build perfectly viable, and it's precisely why you don't have to give up DW as your secondary. You simply won't be using many (if any) DW skills (because they scale with stamina) on your DPS bar; you''ll supplement with Templar and Mages Guild skills.

Now, as for specific skills to use while DPSing, I can't provide too much insight. Inner Light (morph of Magelight, Mages Guild skill) is probably a given. Structured Entropy (morph of Entropy, Mages Guild skill) could also be a good addition. Assuming you don't use the other morph, Radiant Oppression (morph of Radiant Destruction) might be a nice skill to have on your bar. I'll provide a link below to a decent-looking DW magicka Templar DPS build you can look at for more suggestions; I'm actually planning on taking a few pointers from it myself on my Templar Healer when I get around to building up my secondary DPS bar.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/aedrics-warrior-magicka-build-templar-dd/

Hope that helps

That's helpful, but I was hoping for hearing some armor and weapon sets I can swap between depending whether my group role is dps or healer. When I heal, the majority of my armor is light while my weapons are restoration staff for ranged healing while when need be switch to destruction staff for laying stationary heals like Blood Alter as well as skills to debuff the enemy. When I dps most of my armor is heavy with destruction staff for ranged dps and debuff (mostly against bosses) while I use dual wield in close combat (mostly against mobs). My armor and weapons is a full set Seducer with 3/5 Magnus, all legendary quality. To compensate my lack stamina as compared to my magica, I've tried using skills such as Whirling Blades, Repentance, and Evil Hunter (when fighting undead/daedra dungeons), with Magnus Swords with legendary stamina recovery glyphs to replenish my stamina. When I run out of stamina I start using Blazing Shield until my stamina recover, switching back and forth between stamina and magica attacks.

lolzbuckets · July 2015

So right off the bat, I notice an issue with your loadout. You have a few skills in each of your class trees that scale off of Magicka and spell damage, and therefore are perfectly suited to your build while allowing you to itemize fully into Magicka. Notably, this would also enable you to build a Sap Tank, so...that's worth considering.

Look specifically at the Drain Power morph Sap Essence, the Siphoning Strikes morph Siphoning Attacks, the Assassin's Blade morph Impale, and probably pick up the Assassination passive Executioner, because you're gonna spend the last 25% of boss fights spamming Impale if you decide to go that route.

This will also mean you'll end up being a more effective healer, to boot, since your itemization will be more or less the same for both builds.

Edit for grammar fix. SHAME ON ME.

lolzbuckets · July 2015

I'd try out a destruction staff build that finishes the enemy off with Impale, for sure. After cost reductions from a full set of light armor and whatever set bonuses you have, plus the extra damage you should be getting from set bonuses to spell power and from your newly-maxed-out Magicka, you're gonna be smashing bosses for an absolute *** of HP for a ridiculously small amount of mana once they hit 25% hp. Even if your DPS is lackluster for most of the fight, that finisher should more than make up for it.

For regular pulls, you have a dearth of options for AoE. Experiment. See what you like.

Sandshark95 · July 2015

@lolzbuckets Umm...the OP's a Templar, not a Nightblade. Never heard of a "Sap Tank Templar" (don't think that would work, lol).

@Almakor Why heavy armor when DPSing? Pointless, IMO. Keep as much light armor as possible to maximize your magicka damage. Definitely check out that link I posted--I think there's mention of armor sets he uses. And from my understanding, what you're using right now should actually be fine.

Almakor wrote: »

When I run out of stamina I start using Blazing Shield until my stamina recover, switching back and forth between stamina and magica attacks.

This is precisely your problem; you're switching between magicka and stamina. Big no-no. You need to stick to one pool if you want to max your DPS potential. You can't effectively do it all. If you want to use DW, that's fine, for the reasons I explained above (and that are reiterated in the link). Switch your skills, not your entire build.

lolzbuckets · July 2015

Wow. I'm pretty tired.

Oooooooobviously. o_o

Sandshark95 · July 2015

@lolzbuckets Yep. The posts all begin to blur together once you're a little sleepy. I empathiiiiii--*yawns*--iiiize.....Zzzzzz

Almakor · July 2015

lolzbuckets wrote: »

So right off the bat, I notice an issue with your loadout. You have a few skills in each of your class trees that scale off of Magicka and spell damage, and therefore are perfectly suited to your build while allowing you to itemize fully into Magicka. Notably, this would also enable you to build a Sap Tank, so...that's worth considering.

Look specifically at the Drain Power morph Sap Essence, the Siphoning Strikes morph Siphoning Attacks, the Assassin's Blade morph Impale, and probably pick up the Assassination passive Executioner, because you're gonna spend the last 25% of boss fights spamming Impale if you decide to go that route.

This will also mean you'll end up being a more effective healer, to boot, since your itemization will be more or less the same for both builds.

Edit for grammar fix. SHAME ON ME.

That's nightblade, I'm templar.

lolzbuckets · July 2015

Almakor wrote: »

lolzbuckets wrote: »

So right off the bat, I notice an issue with your loadout. You have a few skills in each of your class trees that scale off of Magicka and spell damage, and therefore are perfectly suited to your build while allowing you to itemize fully into Magicka. Notably, this would also enable you to build a Sap Tank, so...that's worth considering.

Look specifically at the Drain Power morph Sap Essence, the Siphoning Strikes morph Siphoning Attacks, the Assassin's Blade morph Impale, and probably pick up the Assassination passive Executioner, because you're gonna spend the last 25% of boss fights spamming Impale if you decide to go that route.

This will also mean you'll end up being a more effective healer, to boot, since your itemization will be more or less the same for both builds.

Edit for grammar fix. SHAME ON ME.

That's nightblade, I'm templar.

Yeah, covered that above