My friend was also complaining that it fails to detect nb's

You do know that there are sets and passives that reduce the range you can be detected at, right? They could be running those sets and passives.

You can also use the pvp set "of the sentry"



that and morag tong are what I run on my stamplar and I tell you what, the surprises you get from people in stealth when you hit them is so much fun lol

Detection radius of Mage Light isn't very large and every stealth oriented player has stealth detection reduction passives (medium armor grants this, aside form certain sets).

Skill is good for preventing the stun and mitigating damage from stealthed players, but don't expect to find a dedicated stealther unless you are on top of them.

Glad to get some validation from others that radiant magelight isn't wai.
It seems like the sneak detection radius passives are being applied incorrectly in this case. It's common for me to reveal stealthers with it toggled on but it is failing against invisibility. Isn't the point of RML to reveal enemies stealthed or invis? The sneak detection reduction passives should only affect normal unaided stealth detection. Invisibility is just that. There is no application of stealth detection reduction for invis. You can be right on someone and still cloaked and they will not see you. I have never used the sentry set so I have no idea if it works for detecting against invisible opponents as well as crouched stealthers.

Also, keep in mind that Concealed Weapon is not capable of a stealth attack. No modifier since it's a magicka spell. Thus the stun from using it goes through RDM.

RDM is worth using if you are not a shield stacker and you can find room for it. It has it's quirks, but once ya figure them out it works great.

From what I gather there are two states in this game, Stealth and invisibility, you take a detect pot for instance you can see someone in stealth, but if they take an invis pot you cannot see them, I think the same goes for mage light, unless it specifies invisible targets in the tool tips I do not remember, I took a detect pot revealed a player they hit cloak and poof vanished again, stealth/invis is a bit squirrely in this game and with all the broken game mechanics who knows what working as intended and not.

I use it for the damage and no stun on out of stealth attacks it has saved my bacon and given me a chance to respond on more that one occasion, but some of the instajibbers with the broken sharpened trait animation canceling macros, does not matter what you have running your going to die in a less than second, nothing you do will work in every scenario 100% of the time, will have to see what happens after the next big update.

Strange. I get about 7m detect range against a bosmer in 7/7 med. Only guessed by looking at the range of liquid lightning (4m radius). If we were standing on opposite sites i could not see him - which would be 8m detect range.

I was under the impression the base range of radiant magelight was 12m - but i could be wrong on this one.

+1 it's garbage and if not buffed cloak difficult to counter in 1.7.

Xael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Strange. I get about 7m detect range against a bosmer in 7/7 med. Only guessed by looking at the range of liquid lightning (4m radius). If we were standing on opposite sites i could not see him - which would be 8m detect range.

I was under the impression the base range of radiant magelight was 12m - but i could be wrong on this one.

Nah I tested it against a Bosmer in 7/7 medium. Steel Tornado is 12.5m and we used this to gauge the 10-11. This is with every passive.
Against a non Bosmer not in 7 medium, the radius should be even bigger.

Did you have anything that increased your detect radius by chance? Apart from magelight ofc...

Derra wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Strange. I get about 7m detect range against a bosmer in 7/7 med. Only guessed by looking at the range of liquid lightning (4m radius). If we were standing on opposite sites i could not see him - which would be 8m detect range.

I was under the impression the base range of radiant magelight was 12m - but i could be wrong on this one.

Nah I tested it against a Bosmer in 7/7 medium. Steel Tornado is 12.5m and we used this to gauge the 10-11. This is with every passive.
Against a non Bosmer not in 7 medium, the radius should be even bigger.

Did you have anything that increased your detect radius by chance? Apart from magelight ofc...

No, just a level 42 alt with Rank 1 Radiant Magelight.
I recorded some footage last night of it

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Yea its garbage, go on , don't use it.
Moar free kills for me

Good luck finding me. I'm a magicka NB that uses Cloak 100% of the time.

Not sure your point... RML sees cloak.

RML is NOT supposed to stop the stun from invisible. It only stops the stun from "Stealthed" attacks. In ESO these are two different states.

Which is why any stealther worth his weight will drop stealth and remain in cloak, to attack someone running RML. You get your stun from CW or SA and the damage is comparable to the attack that would have been halved from being in stealth.


Now what you should consider? Nearly every NB that counts on stealth out there has this on their bar. For a couple of reasons.

And I can confirm, RML most certainly DOES prevent the stun from a STEALTHED attack. Just not CW/SA or any ability that has a stun attached to it ( IE Incap Strike) used from invisibility.

Xeniph wrote: »

RML is NOT supposed to stop the stun from invisible. It only stops the stun from "Stealthed" attacks. In ESO these are two different states.

Which is why any stealther worth his weight will drop stealth and remain in cloak, to attack someone running RML. You get your stun from CW or SA and the damage is comparable to the attack that would have been halved from being in stealth.


Now what you should consider? Nearly every NB that counts on stealth out there has this on their bar. For a couple of reasons.

And I can confirm, RML most certainly DOES prevent the stun from a STEALTHED attack. Just not CW/SA or any ability that has a stun attached to it ( IE Incap Strike) used from invisibility.

Yeah this is frequently confusing people.

When someone melee/bow attacks you while they are sneaking(not invisible!), then that attacks carries an automatic stun. Even if it is just a light attack with a dagger, it still stuns because it was delivered by a sneaking enemy. Additionally, this attack gets a large damage bonus, larger than a regular crit. Both of these effects are negated by radiant magelight.

Then there is invisibility. A nightblade who is not steathed and uses cloak becomes invisible. Attacking someone with a light dagger attack while invisible will not stun, and does not get the damage bonus mentioned above. However, a NB can use surprise attack skill, which carries it's own stun as long as SA is used while invisible. This stun is not negated by radiant magelight, as it does not come from the enemy being steathed, it comes from the ability that is being used.

He runs out of line of sight around the palisade with me chasing. Once again I am unable to spot him until he is right on top of me. Even with the 50% damage reduction, I still got stun locked and died

There was no damage reduction(and also no sneak damage bonus from stealth). He was in combat a second ago, thus unable to enter stealth. He just turned invisible, and then hit you with surprise attack, which carried a stun because it was delivered from invisibility, radiant magelight has no effect on that.