Vigor will destroy PVP in 1.7 if left unchanged

monkeymystic · July 2015

Vigor has to work on self only, and not be stackable like it is now.

If not, PVP in 1.7 will become a much larger joke then it is currently.

The 50% heal and dmg reduction will just make vigor AOE stacking MUCH MORE POWERFUL, because stacks of this heal for so much already. Hell, even 1 vigor heals for tons.

Meanwhile vigor will be powerful, heal on dmg abilities will become USELESS, and the balance will be even more screwed. Heals based on dmg done will be worthless in pvp, end of.

ZOS, please start to use your brains before you send your own game into the dirt in terms of PVP.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Got any answers if you play this game and realise how much vigor will ruin pvp when stacked, AoE'ed by every player in 1.7?

Kloud · July 2015

Everyone's rolling magika in 1.7 might not be so bad lol

Tolmos · July 2015

So... if everyone stacked resto staves, would that also make PvP a joke?

BuggeX · July 2015

Kloud wrote: »

Everyone's rolling magika in 1.7 might not be so bad lol

wy should everyone roll magicka?

urkonse · July 2015

restoration staff spells are trash...all of them cost much & heal less

monkeymystic · July 2015

Vigor outperforms all magicka heals, and also is an AoE heal that *stacks* unlike most HoT heals.

It is OP as hell, and will be even more OP in 1.7, mark my words. It will make pvp a joke unless they fix it before everyone gets it.

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Wait it stacks? so 4-5 people in a zerg can keep everyones hp at max?

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wait it stacks? so 4-5 people in a zerg can keep everyones hp at max?

Pretty much and it's gonna change to like 10 players since there changing it to alliance rank 5 to get or assault level 5 which ever one you look at.

But with PTS coming up and the changes to vigor in it we can summit feedback to ZoS about vigor and ask them to change it to a self heal instead of a AoE heal.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

monkeymystic wrote: »

This ability has to work on self only, and not be stackable like it is now.

If not, PVP in 1.7 will become a much larger joke then it is currently.

The 50% heal and dmg reduction will just make vigor AOE stacking MUCH MORE POWERFUL, because stacks of this heal for so much already. Hell, even 1 vigor heals for tons.

Meanwhile vigor will be powerful, heal on dmg abilities will become USELESS, and the balance will be even more screwed. Heals based on dmg done will be worthless in pvp, end of.

ZOS, please start to use your brains before you send your own game into the dirt in terms of PVP.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Got any answers if you play this game and realise how much vigor will ruin pvp when stacked, AoE'ed by every player in 1.7?

Concurred. I posted this recently too

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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

If we're trivializing earning alliance war skill unlocks, can we get balance in that at least by doing the same with Proximity Detonation? If everyone's stam alts can have vigor right off the bat, magicka ones should have their respective ones too. Not that I'm a fan of the idea in the first place... but whatever's done at least shouldn't be lopsided.

P.S. Packs of stealthers will be annoying with strong low resource cost aoe hot's going off on eachother full time.

P.S.S. WTB physical absorption morph of harness magicka. Nothing like it exists to use against stam . I'll also take an equivalent to ravaging and morag tong for casters. Two spellpower bonuses, one magicka, and 15% magic damage will do it. The ravaging equivalent could be a proc on dealing spell damage, just as the ravaging set's is for melee, with like spell bonuses instead of weapon power ones .

EDIT: The only comparable though short duration skill to harness, remains bugged as it has been for a long time now (several months), which is spiked bone shield, reflecting around 3% damage instead of 30%+ as intended. Even that's only six seconds compared to 20 though.

/not really so sarcastic, but written light heartedly, wish list.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Vigor had the potential to be an issue with zergs spamming it off but for whatever reason, most people hadn't yet reached it in their stam build characters. Lowering it to basically being available from the get-go without changing it would be a big error in my opinion.

Lynx7386 · July 2015

I never thought about it before, but I wonder if a pve stamina healer could keep groups alive with vigor and other stamina based abilities? Always wanted a healer that didn't need to use a staff

Sausage · July 2015

This can mean only one thing that IC-gears brings tons of dmg to the game, come on, we all know there has to be a catch so we grind months to get them.

Derra · July 2015

They only have to make it work like mutagen / rapid reg. Not stackable from multiple sources.

Draxys · July 2015

Too late, they've already sent their own game into the dirt

dday3six · July 2015

I don't know about totally cutting it as an AOE heal, but perhaps change the morphs so one is an AOE heal that heals less, and costs more. I kind of like idea that someone could run a DPS/Healer hybrid with Vigor.

Tolmos · July 2015

What about a cooldown on how often you can be affected by vigor?

trimsic_ESO · July 2015

I have vigor and in practice it's absolutely not OP.

rokas.juodeikisb16_ESO · July 2015

Yeah, because instant 20k shields are ok, but 8k heals are not?

Chufu · July 2015

Let's test this on PTS?

Valnas · July 2015

let me cast an ae shield that stacks (for 8k), and then let 10 of my friends do it, and consider how you'd feel about fighting 10 ppl w/ 50k in shields each.

inidividual shields are only imbalanced due to excessive amounts of magicka available to sorcs right now .... when people had 30-33k pools it wasn't really an issue imo.

Garion · July 2015

rokas.juodeikisb16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, because instant 20k shields are ok, but 8k heals are not?

Shields are single target, which is what should happen with vigor.

RustedValor · July 2015

All the more reason players need to be active on test and give dev feedback. We don't havr all the patch details so everything could be speculation until IC rolls out to test.

HeroOfNone · July 2015

Wait... vigor isn't already destroying PVP? Seems most high rank PVPers are already coupling this with dodge rolling to be a pretty effective escape. Added with the champion point reductions and passives, hello in touch ables =3 (until they get hit with Dawnbreaker of Smiting).

Joy_Division · July 2015

Should not stack.

Lynx7386 · July 2015

Tolmos wrote: »

What about a cooldown on how often you can be affected by vigor?

This game was built around the idea that it would never have cooldowns on abilities, you're limited only by resources and your skill bar slots.

WebBull · July 2015

Vigor is not OP and it is not run in many mature groups.

cschwingeb14_ESO · July 2015

Should not stack and have an AE cap of 6 per cast.

Ditto for barrier (yes, I know it already doesn't stack)

hammayolettuce · July 2015

With 10k stam and being a magicka my Vigor heals for more than many players rally..

DenMoria · July 2015

Don't care.

Don't do PvP. Only time I do is when I sneak in to kill somebody quickly and quietly, loot their corpses and immediately leave again.

cjthibs · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Don't do PvP. Only time I do is when I sneak in to kill somebody quickly and quietly, loot their corpses and immediately leave again.

Clearly you don't PvP.

sagitter · July 2015

This is about my concern, I agree too that vigor will be more stronger with dmg reduction it should be lowered, and with the fact that it will be easy accessible to all , we will see groups stacking it and spam it. It should be self target and stays rank ava 10, damn carebears !!!

sagitter · July 2015

doubled