It wasn't really a petition, it just became the mega thread that the issue needed, and it only became that because @Deltia spoke first. ZOS is fully aware if the player perception on this issue at this point, so all we can do now is wait and see.

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

VR16 is coming whether you like it or not. Veteran ranks aren't going to be removed any time soon, so you might as well suck it up and rank up. Veteran rank XP requirements are being reduced, and XP gains are being increased as well.

The only knew issue I have is concerning the PTS. The current plan is to shadow copy our accounts without templates which, if that stays the plan, would mean PTS players have to grind out two VR's to test the new "end game" and then grind them again once it's launched.

King Bozo wrote: »

I honestly don't think veteran levels will stop at v16. I personally would not be surprised if they did not increase them in the future. This would be a good way for them to sale xp pots in crown store.

They will add more. They stated the removal is a "long term goal" which is another way of saying "indefinite goal," as such more will be added to keep up the gear grind. I imagine they have a lot of content That was based around VR that they can't afford to just scrap or rework right now.
As it stands it seems like we are finally on track for the original idea of consistent content drops, though the time period has been extended due to the fact that they now have to price for it.

^the game wouldn't stagnate. There'd be new content, new features, new gear. But it'd all be OPTIONAL so we don't have to take a kick on the ass. I'd love to work on my second character more.

I already have the best set up gear wise i could have for my build. v16 is good for the game because it resets the playing field again.

With a lot of new sets being introduced, overall changes to classes, combat functions (blocking), ect. it will open up the discovery for the new meta/builds. If you want cut the time needed to have the best possible builds then leave it at v14.

The game would get stale much more quickly. Does it artifically slow down the game? Absolutely. Is this bad in a MMORPG? No, actually its core for longer term health since game development can never keep up anyway.

theforgottenking1779 wrote: »

No reason trying to talk to development about anything they dont give a crap what others think take the mega thread that is why isn't there text chat option for console they still haven't gave a reason why or haven't done nothing about it talking to development is just useless

So are you going to post this same complaint on every thread? You started your own, leave the issue there!

As for the topic in the thread... gear in an MMO NEVER stops. EVERY MMO that I have played always increases gear/levels with each new DLC, so there is always something for players to work towards.

ADarklore wrote: »

theforgottenking1779 wrote: »

No reason trying to talk to development about anything they dont give a crap what others think take the mega thread that is why isn't there text chat option for console they still haven't gave a reason why or haven't done nothing about it talking to development is just useless

So are you going to post this same complaint on every thread? You started your own, leave the issue there!

As for the topic in the thread... gear in an MMO NEVER stops. EVERY MMO that I have played always increases gear/levels with each new DLC, so there is always something for players to work towards.

Except they introduced champion system to take over from vet ranks. So new areas and dlc can have new gear and new dungeons, but why do you need a bigger number next to your name? It doesn't matter right now if we stay at v14 caus of the champ system, that's this games new progression, yet the devs wanna increase the one thing no one rly wants.

Just introduce new gear, new zones/areas without increasing the stupid vet ranks, that shouldn't stop anyone from enjoying said new content ...... You do new zones, you get champ exp, which is the only thing that matters now, not vet rank 16, it's stupid. And new gear sets don't justify vet tank increase either.

Aimelin wrote: »

So new areas and dlc can have new gear and new dungeons, but why do you need a bigger number next to your name? It doesn't matter right now if we stay at v14 caus of the champ system, that's this games new progression, yet the devs wanna increase the one thing no one rly wants.

Because players like me want to see some type of increase, we want to see some movement, we want progression in that number. This is why I love leveling characters, because seeing that level move is part of the enjoyment, seeing yourself progress. Also, I recall the discussion about VR levels and it was quite mixed, with many people not opposed to it, and most of those opposed were only opposed because of how VR leveling is implemented. I've never known of an MMO player who wants to remain at a set level and never have anything new to work towards. "Oh look, there is new gear in the DLC, but it's the SAME gear level I already have." How boring. I can't believe anyone would even want to remain stagnant like that.

theforgottenking1779 wrote: »

No reason trying to talk to development about anything they dont give a crap what others think take the mega thread that is why isn't there text chat option for console they still haven't gave a reason why or haven't done nothing about it talking to development is just useless

This game seems to upset you greatly, maybe it'd be better to find another.

OnThaLoose wrote: »

It's all part of being an mmorpg my man, there will always be raised level caps and new gear to earn in every dlc.

Sure but in most MMO's you have raids etc. to do after the cap, not just more leveling lol

Raising the level cap is a standard in most MMOs as a way to release content with some progression and to put players back on an even playing field. You may not like the pay to play DLC but without it you can still have, as I understand it, VR16 lvl gear you will just have to aquire it by other means which may not be the most preferred method but it's still an option. You won't have access to the gear sets and mats without going through others to get them which will be costly for a bit I am sure. Other than that, complaining about paying for an update in order to have access to this new content, I go back to the old phrase form my youth "support your habit or quit"

theforgottenking1779 wrote: »

No reason trying to talk to development about anything they dont give a crap what others think take the mega thread that is why isn't there text chat option for console they still haven't gave a reason why or haven't done nothing about it talking to development is just useless

Not always to case. As far as text chat in console being ignored, you should consider the fact that in order to release anything on a console, the developers have to come to an agreement with the platform to which they plan to release their product on. It's made in contract and developers have to abide by this agreement. They are also not going to release the terms of those contracts with the general public because of several viable reason. Two most prominent come to mind; one being its in the contract to release information only to parties requiring a need to know. Two; to avoid backlash to the console companies for agreeing to different terms with one software over another. It's a well known fact Sony and Microsoft don't like sharing their online platforms with each other. In fact I'm not sure of any game release on both systems that can play together. For PC, the only thing developers have to agree to are the laws for distributing content over the web.

RazzPitazz wrote: »

It wasn't really a petition, it just became the mega thread that the issue needed, and it only became that because Deltia spoke first. ZOS is fully aware if the player perception on this issue at this point, so all we can do now is wait and see.

It was already well known, and plenty of other people had spoken prior in any case. Of course, when others posted rational and constructive threads in the 16 months prior, they weren't quite as big of a flypaper to anyone with a complaint as the recent one titled sensationally .

Platorian wrote: »

this post can't be serious. When more and more areas and upates are added to the game over time we should all just sit at VR14? MMO's are built this way, you reach cap, you farm for best gear and dungeons etc, and the game moves on, new areas, extended cap, new gear, it's how MMO's should work...

Yep... and that's really what this whole thing boils down to: it's Skyrim 2.0 vs. Elder Scrolls MMORPG all over again.