Instant Research Option

BigBoi314 · July 2015

From comments I keep seeing, people are just against this because it makes the items less valuable. Why the hell are people so worried about making in-game money instead of helping their fellow gamers?!?! I've crafted Daedric armor for someone before using my own Daedra Hearts and took nothing in exchange because I help others the way everyone should. Those people that charge for absolutely everything, are just as greedy as the gaming corporations have become. It's pathetic.

lathbury · July 2015

Tabitha wrote: »

I get why all the "old and bold" are upset and oppose this idea, but lets consider new players coming into the game. They already have and insurmountable CP difference that you long time players get, rewarding you for your time played, but for those of us who love crafting, we basically are prevented from catching up - 8months to a year is a ridiculous game time, and everything will (should) have changed during that period.

A more practical solution may be that one of the benefits of subscription reduces research time? Another idea would be to make it a flat time for each item (4-8hrs) regardless of how many you have. Then to reward older players, every item crafted adds to a crafting CP tree, that gives an increased chance to to upgrade in quality. Old players are rewarded and save matts, newer crafters can still compete, but have to pay a little more to get upgrade materials.

This extra long research time is another slap in the face, discouragement to new players, and you need to keep new players to keep the game alive. To keep the game alive, ZOS need to earn money, and they do this through subscriptions or the crown shop.

new players will always be behind untill they hit cap its an mmo. its not exactly comparable to cp either as it does not directly affect my power. console players will still be on an even footing with other console playes its only the pc transfers who are ahead on this and they are a minority.
For the PC game why should a new player be able to bypass things that a more established one has? you are not prevented from catching up you just dont seem to want to. those people on 9 traits now are not getting any further away.

lathbury · July 2015

BigBoi314 wrote: »

From comments I keep seeing, people are just against this because it makes the items less valuable. Why the hell are people so worried about making in-game money instead of helping their fellow gamers?!?! I've crafted Daedric armor for someone before using my own Daedra Hearts and took nothing in exchange because I help others the way everyone should. Those people that charge for absolutely everything, are just as greedy as the gaming corporations have become. It's pathetic.

ha lol a deadra heart i have 2 hundred in my bank. I have put stacks of them in my guild bank and helped out my friends by giving them deadric and ancient elf motifs. people charge for some crafting as it takes time i spent 2 hours the other night trying to get a potent nirncrux.
I know right how terrible everything is not instant and free for you. Evil people like me wanting to be paid for services rendered. I mean its not like i could have been making gold some other way while i was crafting that nirn piece you know something fun like sanctum now is it?
having said that I'm looking forward to your upcoming thread on how that should be able to buy trials achievements and players should give you the dreughking slayer pieces from there.
Also a lot of the talk here is also about devaluing others accomplishments in game the fact that you missed that or thought people were only talking about monetary value speaks volumes about why you keep posting threads like this.

I_killed_Vivec · July 2015

BigBoi314 wrote: »

From comments I keep seeing, people are just against this because it makes the items less valuable. Why the hell are people so worried about making in-game money instead of helping their fellow gamers?!?! I've crafted Daedric armor for someone before using my own Daedra Hearts and took nothing in exchange because I help others the way everyone should. Those people that charge for absolutely everything, are just as greedy as the gaming corporations have become. It's pathetic.

How very altruistic of you, wanting to pay real money to the greedy gaming corporations just so that you have the ability to craft for others...

Why not just do the research like everyone else has to?

That way you can still craft for others for free and you don't have to give cash to the greedy gaming corporation (whose game you decided to purchase).

Your argument started off being that it took too long and you wanted to pay for a short cut. Now you just want to give away gear?

I'm calling bluff!

Defilted · July 2015

The best part of being the master crafter is helping people out. This is not something you always need to charge for. I would never charge a friend for anything, but none of my friends would show up empty handed and expect I give them everything either.

Random person A asked me to create Random Armor B and has no mats and wants it for free? Umm No.
Random person A asked me to create Random Armor B and has some, but not all mats. I fill in the blanks and charge the Guy/girl nothing.

It is called give and take...

BigBoi314 · July 2015

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

BigBoi314 wrote: »

From comments I keep seeing, people are just against this because it makes the items less valuable. Why the hell are people so worried about making in-game money instead of helping their fellow gamers?!?! I've crafted Daedric armor for someone before using my own Daedra Hearts and took nothing in exchange because I help others the way everyone should. Those people that charge for absolutely everything, are just as greedy as the gaming corporations have become. It's pathetic.

How very altruistic of you, wanting to pay real money to the greedy gaming corporations just so that you have the ability to craft for others...

Why not just do the research like everyone else has to?

That way you can still craft for others for free and you don't have to give cash to the greedy gaming corporation (whose game you decided to purchase).

Your argument started off being that it took too long and you wanted to pay for a short cut. Now you just want to give away gear?

I'm calling bluff!

I started the game off with 500 crowns that have no use for me, if they added the option to pay to instantly or quickly finish researching a trait then I have no problem using them on that. I also have no problem giving gear away, it's game and games are meant to be completed so if I can someone else also finish the game in any way then I glad will.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · July 2015

stop with all the crownstore ideas, thats terrible
just be patient, like verybody else had to be

Sallington · July 2015

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

stop with all the crownstore ideas, thats terrible
just be patient, like verybody else had to be

That's what it's turning into.

"I'm to lazy and/or impatient to do 'x' using the game's mechanics. Let me just pay you real money to bypass it."

Leveling to VR1 takes so long. Can't I just pay you money to skip the leveling process?
Getting gold takes so long. Can't I just pay you money for a stash of gold?
You want me to take the time to grind dungeons for this gear set? Can't I just pay you money for it?

Sithisvoid · July 2015

Don't start with this freemium pay to speed up times junk please. Next thing you know everything will be behind a timewall like Clash

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:

It should, in general, take less time to research traits
The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

lathbury · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

they had to wait that long why are you special?
also twice born star is terrible

Hope499 · July 2015

No, it needs to be this way so not everyone has traits/sets right away...terrible idea to P2W.

Just be a little patient, not everything in life is handed to you on a platter. Some things take time.

Tors · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Researching is a huge pain. It's already a pain to get the items (nirncrux) I'd love to be able to pay to have it done quickly.

You can pay to have it done quickly, you can ask the community to make the item you require.

Or you can wait to research the items like they had to.......

Riding lessens are a different matter. For newer players will not have had the chance to buy mounts with increased stats. So the ability to buy the lessens sorts this imbalance out (bloody expensive though)

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

lathbury wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

they had to wait that long why are you special?
also twice born star is terrible

I never once said I should get special treatment. I said that PC players have a year's worth of advantage over console players and that it isn't fair. Especially considering that TIME is the only thing hindering our progress in the crafting professions.

In general it should take less time. Assuming ZOS actually went and reduced the research times, you realise that EVERYONE aside from the people who had already done it would benefit, right?
I get it. You don't want your amazing achievement to be devalued, but just because it was difficult for you that doesn't mean it has to be difficult for everybody else!

Athas24 · July 2015

They'll probably implement this at some point.

Sithisvoid · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

I'm a new PS4 player and I can craft plenty of sets right now. ESO plus limits it to 30 days max research time as well but i still haven't hit more than a 3 day time. I'm wearing 4 pieces of two sets i crafted in light/heavy armor and can craft medium as well. Just keep at it. If you're on PS4 NA AD hit me up i'll craft you stuff if you bring me the raw materials and any upgrade materials you are wanting to use.

GaldorP · July 2015

10% faster research is one of the few bonuses ESO+ has right now. Get that if you want faster research

Usara · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

@TechnicalGeezer I refer you to the comment I've quoted.

I agree with this completely. The timer on the research thing seems completely unnecessary. At least have the time it takes depend on the trait itself rather than how many traits you have already researched.

Best trait in the game = nirncrux.

The fact that you could research this in an hour, if you didn't already know any traits, just seems ridiculous.

Ok first things, Nirncrux is not the best trait in the game. Depending on your class/role, it can be one of the most usefull sure. But saying it's *the* best (especially after its nerf) is ludicrous.

Secondly, you can have it researched in one hour. Take a reroll you never researched anything with, research Nirncrux. One hour, and it's done.
How do you think 95% of the nirncrux items sellers did ? ^^
The research time has nothing to do with its usefulness. Your ninth research will take a month, whether it is Nirncrux or Sturdy, or Exploration.

That said, I don't see the point of speeding the research either. Most of the sets people use at v14 don't require that much research (Twice-born stars and Arena are mostly used for leveling rerolls ^^)
All the players that have been around for a while have all the traits researched. Goes much faster to ask someone for a craft than loosing time waiting for your own research.
Do them whenever you can, but just don't count on it. No point to it.

Akavir_Sentinel · July 2015

Put in the time and learn the traits just like everyone else had to.

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

I'm a new PS4 player and I can craft plenty of sets right now. ESO plus limits it to 30 days max research time as well but i still haven't hit more than a 3 day time. I'm wearing 4 pieces of two sets i crafted in light/heavy armor and can craft medium as well. Just keep at it

I'm talking about the 9 trait set that you craft in Craglorn. You need to know all traits for every item you craft for that set.
You know how long it takes to learn all 9 traits on a single item (with all passives)? about 2 months.

Imagine having to do that for 5 items (for the set bonus). You can research 3 things at a time, so 4 months would be spent learning all of the traits.

What if you wanted to craft 2 additional pieces of armor in a different set? or maybe a few weapons? Another 2 months down the drain.

Leandor · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

Lucky you. By the time you can craft it, you will have realized that this set is only remotely useful for very specialized builds. Most builds will reap much more benefit from using a combination of other sets, mostly foregoing 5-piece bonuses in order to stack more 2/3/4 piece bonuses from several sets.

Another side benefit of the system as is: it prevents you from falling into the trap of thinking that the sets are getting stronger the more traits they require. They do not get stronger, they are more specialized.

Cherryblossom · July 2015

Just shows another badly thought out system in the game, 64 days to learn a trait!
So at the begining when I'm learning I can learn really easily, but as I become a master crafter it becomes much harder. Honestly complete nonsense, they should of had a single length of time for each trait, i.e. 1 week, this could of been reduced by skill points (1 skill point 6days, 2 5days, 3 4days), more researching slots with skill points (as is)

Sithisvoid · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

I'm a new PS4 player and I can craft plenty of sets right now. ESO plus limits it to 30 days max research time as well but i still haven't hit more than a 3 day time. I'm wearing 4 pieces of two sets i crafted in light/heavy armor and can craft medium as well. Just keep at it

I'm talking about the 9 trait set that you craft in Craglorn. You need to know all traits for every item you craft for that set.
You know how long it takes to learn all 9 traits on a single item (with all passives)? about 2 months.

Imagine having to do that for 5 items (for the set bonus). You can research 3 things at a time, so 4 months would be spent learning all of the traits.

What if you wanted to craft 2 additional pieces of armor in a different set? or maybe a few weapons? Another 2 months down the drain.

I mean the two mundus stones seems nice but increased health, magika and stamina? Pass. I can get better perks for my character with other sets. Honestly I either need stamina or magika not both.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

they had to wait that long why are you special?
also twice born star is terrible

I never once said I should get special treatment. I said that PC players have a year's worth of advantage over console players and that it isn't fair. Especially considering that TIME is the only thing hindering our progress in the crafting professions.

In general it should take less time. Assuming ZOS actually went and reduced the research times, you realise that EVERYONE aside from the people who had already done it would benefit, right?
I get it. You don't want your amazing achievement to be devalued, but just because it was difficult for you that doesn't mean it has to be difficult for everybody else!

are u really...
no its not an advantage, they to had to wait a long time to get everything researched, and were playing half a year or so untill they could craft those 8 or 9 trait sets, u console crowd even have an advantage over the pc crowd, since theres been transfers, theres people on consoles who can already craft those sets for you, for payment, as u want, just ingame gold and not more crownstore BS

Tors · July 2015

Cherryblossom wrote: »

So at the begining when I'm learning I can learn really easily, but as I become a master crafter it becomes much harder. Honestly complete nonsense

Ummm

Read what you write, and say it out loud.

say it again "when I'm learning I can learn really easily, but as I become a master crafter it becomes much harder"

Now tell me how this is nonsense.........

Iluvrien · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

they had to wait that long why are you special?
also twice born star is terrible

I never once said I should get special treatment. I said that PC players have a year's worth of advantage over console players and that it isn't fair. Especially considering that TIME is the only thing hindering our progress in the crafting professions.

In general it should take less time. Assuming ZOS actually went and reduced the research times, you realise that EVERYONE aside from the people who had already done it would benefit, right?
I get it. You don't want your amazing achievement to be devalued, but just because it was difficult for you that doesn't mean it has to be difficult for everybody else!

Yes, you are asking for special treatment. You want the rules to be changed to make it easier for you. That is the definition of wanting special treatment.

Also, yes, it does have to be as difficult for everybody else. You speak of wanting things to be fair but you seem to think that fair only applies to you getting things faster.

What is fair about your getting to complete research on all traits considerably faster than the people who had no choice but to spend the best part of a year trying to do it? Nothing is fair about that.

So no. I have no desire to see this in this game. ZOS has already given crafters enough of a kicking. We don't need them lining up to take another shot at it. I would say that I am sorry that I feel I have to come out in so vehemently against this idea... but I'm not. I just want things to remain fair.

PC players were not to blame for the console delays. Why are you wanting to devalue our achievement and punish us for ZOS's inability to finish the job?

Fruitmass · July 2015

BigBoi314 wrote: »

From comments I keep seeing, people are just against this because it makes the items less valuable. Why the hell are people so worried about making in-game money instead of helping their fellow gamers?!?! I've crafted Daedric armor for someone before using my own Daedra Hearts and took nothing in exchange because I help others the way everyone should. Those people that charge for absolutely everything, are just as greedy as the gaming corporations have become. It's pathetic.

That's a rather rude and unfair insinuation. It's not just about money, It's certainly a factor (and yes like it or not it is a major one) but it's not the only reason. I applaud your willingness to give out freebie but you are neither the first, last or only person to do so. I've given out several free things and I'll craft for free so long as the person I'm doing it for doesn't expect legendary quality or at least supplies the tempers themselves. Most everything else I can cover easily enough but the gold mats are far too expensive for that. Plus why shouldn't someone make a profit on what they earned? Most folks generally don't go to school investing time and money studying to be an electrician not to put that to use making a living.

Ultimately what makes people mad is that you want a quick and easy work around to a system that others had (have) to make the best of. With the push of a button you want something someone had to spend several months working for.

I'm not opposed to changes to research times so long as they're reasonable changes. What I am opposed to is someone who wants instant gratification for $9.95. Especially when they start throwing insults at those who disagree with them.

Tors · July 2015

@Fruitmass captured my views exactly

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Iluvrien wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I still think it should take less time. If all research times were halved (thereby meaning it'd take approx. six months to max everything) then it'd be more achievable.

The problem I have is that I want to craft the twice born star set, but I can't purely because I'm a console player.

PC players have a HUGE advantage over us. Just because we don't have cross-platform play that doesn't make it any less unfair.

The PC transferred people are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE GAME that can craft these sets atm and they will be until July of next year! I don't care if they're a minority, they still got one hell of a head start and they're going to spend the next year profitting off of it!

I'm not saying that you should be able to buy traits from the cash shop, I'm saying that:
It should, in general, take less time to research traits

The time it takes to research traits should depend on the trait and not how many other traits the character has already learned

This is nothing more than a waiting game in which PC players are over a year ahead. Don't keep telling me that I just can't be bothered, I just think that having to wait that long shouldn't be necessary. There should at least be another method of learning the traits.

they had to wait that long why are you special?
also twice born star is terrible

I never once said I should get special treatment. I said that PC players have a year's worth of advantage over console players and that it isn't fair. Especially considering that TIME is the only thing hindering our progress in the crafting professions.

In general it should take less time. Assuming ZOS actually went and reduced the research times, you realise that EVERYONE aside from the people who had already done it would benefit, right?
I get it. You don't want your amazing achievement to be devalued, but just because it was difficult for you that doesn't mean it has to be difficult for everybody else!

Yes, you are asking for special treatment. You want the rules to be changed to make it easier for you. That is the definition of wanting special treatment.

Also, yes, it does have to be as difficult for everybody else. You speak of wanting things to be fair but you seem to think that fair only applies to you getting things faster.

What is fair about your getting to complete research on all traits considerably faster than the people who had no choice but to spend the best part of a year trying to do it? Nothing is fair about that.

So no. I have no desire to see this in this game. ZOS has already given crafters enough of a kicking. We don't need them lining up to take another shot at it. I would say that I am sorry that I feel I have to come out in so vehemently against this idea... but I'm not. I just want things to remain fair.

PC players were not to blame for the console delays. Why are you wanting to devalue our achievement and punish us for ZOS's inability to finish the job?

Oh for god's sake...

I'm merely stating that something in the game should be different than what it already is. That's all I'm ***-ing doing. You say I'm asking for special treatment? If that's asking for special treatment then what about everyone that wanted ZOS to lower the amount of XP required for veteran ranks? What about everyone that's complaining about the lack of text chat or zone chat on consoles? What about everyone that's complaining about the ICC update?

Are all those people asking for "special treatment"?

All that ***'s easy for you to say! The PC players that put the effort in were already finished by the time the game came out on consoles! I'm not saying it's your fault that the console release took so long. I'm saying that BECAUSE it took so long, we are at a disadvantage and should be allowed a chance to catch up!

And you realise what you're saying about the difficulty, right?

You seem to think that because it was that difficult initially, that it HAS to remain at the same difficulty for all of time otherwise it's not fair to those that already did it. Therefor, changing the difficulty of absolutely ANYTHING in this game is a crime against nature and is to be abhorred!

WolfgangArmadeus · July 2015

Anything past 6 trait sets are nothing too special anyways... some of the 8 trait sets are good and its a nice bonus to have a second mundus, but nothing worth rushing towards or requesting the game be altered so you can have it...

The best sets drop from trials and stuff... Really, just play the game. The research times are a bit over-board but those 8 and 9 trait sets are designed for the committed players...