Instant Research Option

BigBoi314 · July 2015

These research times are ridiculous; days on days just to research one trait. I'd be willing to spend 5 (maybe 10) of my extra Crowns on each trait if it meant to instantly research it. ZOS, can you guys make that happen?

TechnicalGeezer · July 2015

If this was to be implemented, 1. It wouldn't be 5 or 10 crowns more like 500 and 1,000. 5 or 10 is too low and whenever are prices that low. 2. The game will be technically 'p2w' with this implemented. Be patient, wait. I had to.

P3ZZL3 · July 2015

No.

And to be honest, quite a few of your suggestions BigBoi are all about how to speed build/complete everything.

Take a breather, slow down and enjoy the game

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Researching is a huge pain. It's already a pain to get the items (nirncrux) I'd love to be able to pay to have it done quickly.

They already have a thing for the riding skill, so why not?

Celestrael · July 2015

I'm not really sure what the point of the research timers are other than to drag out how long it takes to max out crafting. Just a time-sink type thing to stretch the content out, like how everything is on a timer in Destiny.

TechnicalGeezer · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Researching is a huge pain. It's already a pain to get the items (nirncrux) I'd love to be able to pay to have it done quickly.

They already have a thing for the riding skill, so why not?

@Azurephoenix999 Yes, but the difference is that getting your riding skills up doesn't effect your gameplay much a part from riding around the place. 'Pay crowns and get all traits' feature is like 'Pay crowns get all the best sets in a oner'. It shouldn't be like that at all. The riding skill, I understand but not speeding up the trait process.

People that play the game constantly gets rewarded, people that don't... well don't get rewarded.

BigBoi314 · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Researching is a huge pain. It's already a pain to get the items (nirncrux) I'd love to be able to pay to have it done quickly.

They already have a thing for the riding skill, so why not?

Exactly! If not crowns, then allows us to pay with gold to instantly finish researching a trait and to even it out, don't allow us to gain experience for that skill to do it.

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Celestrael wrote: »

I'm not really sure what the point of the research timers are other than to drag out how long it takes to max out crafting. Just a time-sink type thing to stretch the content out, like how everything is on a timer in Destiny.

I tried Destiny, didn't stick around too long because of how luck-based the reward system is for the raids and because you can't trade with people.

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Celestrael wrote: »

I'm not really sure what the point of the research timers are other than to drag out how long it takes to max out crafting. Just a time-sink type thing to stretch the content out, like how everything is on a timer in Destiny.

@TechnicalGeezer I refer you to the comment I've quoted.

I agree with this completely. The timer on the research thing seems completely unnecessary. At least have the time it takes depend on the trait itself rather than how many traits you have already researched.

Best trait in the game = nirncrux.

The fact that you could research this in an hour, if you didn't already know any traits, just seems ridiculous.

If anything, already knowing some traits should DECREASE the time it takes to research new ones.

TechnicalGeezer · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Celestrael wrote: »

I'm not really sure what the point of the research timers are other than to drag out how long it takes to max out crafting. Just a time-sink type thing to stretch the content out, like how everything is on a timer in Destiny.

@TechnicalGeezer I refer you to the comment I've quoted.

I agree with this completely. The timer on the research thing seems completely unnecessary. At least have the time it takes depend on the trait itself rather than how many traits you have already researched.

Best trait in the game = nirncrux.

The fact that you could research this in an hour, if you didn't already know any traits, just seems ridiculous.

If anything, already knowing some traits should DECREASE the time it takes to research new ones.

I kinda agree with this. I would prefer the timer to be dependent on how good the trait actually is. I think it took me a week to research 7% more exploration bonus which was annoying.
However, I disagree with the fact you can pay for it in crowns/gold. I wouldn't like it that way.

EDIT: I don't like having to wait 64 days for a trait to be researched.

Krycek89 · July 2015

just wanted to whinge about things not being instant;i'm in the right thread, right?

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Krycek89 wrote: »

just wanted to whinge about things not being instant;i'm in the right thread, right?

Meh, it started out that way. I think that the way the timer works is stupid. Maybe a pay-to-instant option for this isn't the best idea, but something has to be done.

Leandor · July 2015

There is a secondary aspect to the research timers, albeit a small one: Viability of crafting as a gold source. The time gate is exactly what allows those that have the patience to make good of it by being able to provide something that is not universally available.

I have high hopes that the IC sets will require nine traits and at the same time provide bonuses that are actually similarly desirable as those of the high demand sets right now (hunding, seducer, torug's, to name a few) especially for 4 and 5 piece bonuses.

This would finally have a decent pay-out for the time spent. As such, I am completely opposed to the idea of making research available for crowns. If any, the game should include more traits like nirnhoned, that are difficult to obtain and continue to be time gated.

That said, the 9th trait research is really obnoxiously long. I wouldn't want that to change, though. Don't continue to devalue all the "achievements" that players have obtained by playing for a year+.

BigBoi314 · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Krycek89 wrote: »

just wanted to whinge about things not being instant;i'm in the right thread, right?

Meh, it started out that way. I think that the way the timer works is stupid. Maybe a pay-to-instant option for this isn't the best idea, but something has to be done.

What about a pay-to-instant timer besides for the nirncrux trait? Or pay to reduce time but not make it instant?

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Leandor wrote: »

There is a secondary aspect to the research timers, albeit a small one: Viability of crafting as a gold source. The time gate is exactly what allows those that have the patience to make good of it by being able to provide something that is not universally available.

I have high hopes that the IC sets will require nine traits and at the same time provide bonuses that are actually similarly desirable as those of the high demand sets right now (hunding, seducer, torug's, to name a few) especially for 4 and 5 piece bonuses.

This would finally have a decent pay-out for the time spent. As such, I am completely opposed to the idea of making research available for crowns. If any, the game should include more traits like nirnhoned, that are difficult to obtain and continue to be time gated.

That said, the 9th trait research is really obnoxiously long. I wouldn't want that to change, though. Don't continue to devalue all the "achievements" that players have obtained by playing for a year+.

Just went and checked something, the 8th trait takes OVER A MONTH to research!? What the ***!?

How long does the 9th one take!?
*looks it up*
Over TWO ***-ING MONTHS for that one item!? *** That! Seriously, *** it! In what way is that acceptable!?

ragespell · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Celestrael wrote: »

I'm not really sure what the point of the research timers are other than to drag out how long it takes to max out crafting. Just a time-sink type thing to stretch the content out, like how everything is on a timer in Destiny.

@TechnicalGeezer I refer you to the comment I've quoted.

I agree with this completely. The timer on the research thing seems completely unnecessary. At least have the time it takes depend on the trait itself rather than how many traits you have already researched.

Best trait in the game = nirncrux.

The fact that you could research this in an hour, if you didn't already know any traits, just seems ridiculous.

If anything, already knowing some traits should DECREASE the time it takes to research new ones.

Holy ***, some of you guys don't want to play this game. You want a fully developed char from day 1...and then?

BigBoi314 · July 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

There is a secondary aspect to the research timers, albeit a small one: Viability of crafting as a gold source. The time gate is exactly what allows those that have the patience to make good of it by being able to provide something that is not universally available.

I have high hopes that the IC sets will require nine traits and at the same time provide bonuses that are actually similarly desirable as those of the high demand sets right now (hunding, seducer, torug's, to name a few) especially for 4 and 5 piece bonuses.

This would finally have a decent pay-out for the time spent. As such, I am completely opposed to the idea of making research available for crowns. If any, the game should include more traits like nirnhoned, that are difficult to obtain and continue to be time gated.

That said, the 9th trait research is really obnoxiously long. I wouldn't want that to change, though. Don't continue to devalue all the "achievements" that players have obtained by playing for a year+.

Just went and checked something, the 8th trait takes OVER A MONTH to research!? What the ***!?

How long does the 9th one take!?
*looks it up*
Over TWO ***-ING MONTHS for that one item!? *** That! Seriously, *** it! In what way is that acceptable!?

If you upgrade the last ability for crafting skill lines to the max, it makes it so research times are no more than 30 days which is still ridiculous. Which is why I'm suggesting this pay for instant or pay to reduce research times.

JD2013 · July 2015

Have some patience.

Can we buy that on the Crown Store?

Drakk89815 · July 2015

Hmmmm I don't necessarily agree with a pay to instant research items. But i have spent a lot of time researching traits on all my crafting (When i'm busy i still log in once a day to make sure i am researching as much as i can). But the idea that when i want to research nirncrux, which is supposedly the best trait in the game, it is going to take weeks, but someone who hasn't put the effort in that i have can do it in 20hrs, I find that hugely frustrating.......

Lleksu · July 2015

While I would hate for this to happen, I think it is definitely on the cards.

I can't think of a single cash shop game that doesn't allow this kind of thing. But they may surprise us yet; I can't think of a single other MMO that doesn't have a chat box either

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

BigBoi314 wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

There is a secondary aspect to the research timers, albeit a small one: Viability of crafting as a gold source. The time gate is exactly what allows those that have the patience to make good of it by being able to provide something that is not universally available.

I have high hopes that the IC sets will require nine traits and at the same time provide bonuses that are actually similarly desirable as those of the high demand sets right now (hunding, seducer, torug's, to name a few) especially for 4 and 5 piece bonuses.

This would finally have a decent pay-out for the time spent. As such, I am completely opposed to the idea of making research available for crowns. If any, the game should include more traits like nirnhoned, that are difficult to obtain and continue to be time gated.

That said, the 9th trait research is really obnoxiously long. I wouldn't want that to change, though. Don't continue to devalue all the "achievements" that players have obtained by playing for a year+.

Just went and checked something, the 8th trait takes OVER A MONTH to research!? What the ***!?

How long does the 9th one take!?
*looks it up*
Over TWO ***-ING MONTHS for that one item!? *** That! Seriously, *** it! In what way is that acceptable!?

If you upgrade the last ability for crafting skill lines to the max, it makes it so research times are no more than 30 days which is still ridiculous. Which is why I'm suggesting this pay for instant or pay to reduce research times.

I agree, that's still too long.
That means that the 9th trait alone would take approximately 5 months for blacksmithing alone.

2 months for woodworking.

5 months for clothier.

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

In total it'll take 5 months to research the 9th trait for every profession. Even then, you need to invest skill points into every researching skill.

I'd also like to add that the 8th trait would take just as long (although slightly shorter), thereby making it 10 months to research everything.
also the 7th trait would take about two and a half months...so...

basically over a year it'd take.

This is too long.

I'm not in favor of anything being exclusive to the cash shop, there should be something in-game to make this more bearable.

Maybe you can find recipes, like provisioning, but for traits? They could be called "formulae" and finding them means you instantly learn the trait that's on it for the item it's for.

Grimnaur · July 2015

It would be nice if there were passives in each crafting profession that lowered the time it took to research traits. It could also maybe put a cap on the time limit.

One other thing that would be nice, is if you sub, they would give you like a 10% research reduction timer.

I guess we can all dream.

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Grimnaur wrote: »

It would be nice if there were passives in each crafting profession that lowered the time it took to research traits. It could also maybe put a cap on the time limit.

One other thing that would be nice, is if you sub, they give you like a 10% research reduction timer.

I guess we can all dream.

Still takes far too long to research everything. Read my previous comment.

Tessie · July 2015

It feels like their intention was to differentiate experienced crafters from those just starting out. Rare lootable crafting motifs was another way to differentiate crafters, but with those already being in the crown store, traits are the only remaining mechanic.

I'm not suggesting that the current way is the best way, a way I enjoy, or couldn't use improvement. However, I would hope that any improvements wouldn't be drastic.

If you have max points in research, it will never take over a month to learn anything. I suppose one solution could be to add another tier that reduces the research time by a percent and lowers the cap down from a month slightly.

RavenSkylord · July 2015

As is there is little incentive to focus on crafting, that someone who spends hundreds of hours working on their craft will only make the same level item as someone that does it only in passing is wrong. I would like to see skill lines that improve the quality, even if only in CP. There are players that their primary focus is in this aspect of the game, and should be rewarded for their investment, as is researched traits is all we have to separate ourselves from the pack. So no, no reduction in trait times and give us more love, give us real skill trees, give us master crafter quests that improve our wares

Garwulf · July 2015

Might as well have 4 fully speced characters , one of each class ..... in the CLOWN shop.
To much nerf this, nerf that, make it easier, make it simpler .
It is a Game to be enjoyed whilst developing your character.
Totally pointless playing it if you need to do a 'seal' and "nerf, nerf, nerf".
Unfortunately ZoS listens too much to the seals!

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

RavenSkylord wrote: »

As is there is little incentive to focus on crafting, that someone who spends hundreds of hours working on their craft will only make the same level item as someone that does it only in passing is wrong. I would like to see skill lines that improve the quality, even if only in CP. There are players that their primary focus is in this aspect of the game, and should be rewarded for their investment, as is researched traits is all we have to separate ourselves from the pack. So no, no reduction in trait times and give us more love, give us real skill trees, give us master crafter quests that improve our wares

Even with all time reduction passives and subscription, it'd still take over a year to research everything, and most of that year will be spent on the last two traits.

How is this NOT a problem?

Turelus · July 2015

I wouldn't be in favour of a pay for instant option for most of the reasons already discussed.

I do think they system could be a little more hands on rather than a passive timer though.

Also OP you should probably never try EVE Online.

Azurephoenix999 · July 2015

Garwulf wrote: »

Might as well have 4 fully speced characters , one of each class ..... in the CLOWN shop.
To much nerf this, nerf that, make it easier, make it simpler .
It is a Game to be enjoyed whilst developing your character.
Totally pointless playing it if you need to do a 'seal' and "nerf, nerf, nerf".
Unfortunately ZoS listens too much to the seals!

The only reason the timer is there is do drag out how long it takes to truly master crafting. The way the timer increases with each trait you learn doesn't make sense. Knowing other traits shouldn't mean you take longer to learn new ones. It's as if learning stuff makes you stupider. The time should at the very least depend on the trait itself rather than how many other traits you already know.

BuggeX · July 2015

Make a option to sacreffice a other Item with this traid to speed the research up 10% . Max 5 Times for 50%