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Poison Arrow Needs Major Brutality in IC
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Momentum and Hidden Blade both unlock at 38. Poison Arrow is rank 2. I might be ok with adding it to Snipe, but Poison Arrow is too early IMO. Also both 2H and DW are close range weapons, and with Bow being ranged it offers mobility, losing damage is often a trade off.1 -
Voltos✭✭✭Momentum and Hidden Blade both unlock at 38. Poison Arrow is rank 2. I might be ok with adding it to Snipe, but Poison Arrow is too early IMO. Also both 2H and DW are close range weapons, and with Bow being ranged it offers mobility, losing damage is often a trade off.
Yes, but Rally provides Brutality and healing outside of combat, while stealthed. At endgame, the scales would balance IMO. Having a slight advantage for 25 levels means nothing in the long run. Bow needs that utility to remain competitive.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Momentum and Hidden Blade both unlock at 38. Poison Arrow is rank 2. I might be ok with adding it to Snipe, but Poison Arrow is too early IMO. Also both 2H and DW are close range weapons, and with Bow being ranged it offers mobility, losing damage is often a trade off.
Yes, but Rally provides Brutality and healing outside of combat, while stealthed. At endgame, the scales would balance IMO. Having a slight advantage for 25 levels means nothing in the long run. Bow needs that utility to remain competitive.
Rally also does no damage, and Bow damage is getting increased as mentioned in ESO 21. The ability to attack at range is the trade off. Bow makes much of the early game trivial, giving it more damage at level 2 would only make that worst. The journey is also important, not just the destination.0 -
Voltos✭✭✭Rally also does no damage, and Bow damage is getting increased as mentioned in ESO 21. The ability to attack at range is the trade off. Bow makes much of the early game trivial, giving it more damage at level 2 would only make that worst. The journey is also important, not just the destination.
As a bow user, I shouldn't be forced to run either 2H or DW in order to receive Major Brutality and remain competitive at endgame. With the current buff system, every weapon skill should be able to stand on its own and be competitive, or ZOS needs to add Major Brutality to a skill everyone can use, regardless of weapon choice or class.
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I55UE5✭✭✭^ use potions
To clarify, with alchemy leveled for the passive, and possibly a jewelry enchantment.. There is very little down time with potions.
Since you want to only use the bow, you would not need to keep the cool down alive for an "oh ***" health pot.. So just keep the buff rolling with potionsEdited by I55UE5 on July 22, 2015 3:50AM0 -
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rally also does no damage, and Bow damage is getting increased as mentioned in ESO 21. The ability to attack at range is the trade off. Bow makes much of the early game trivial, giving it more damage at level 2 would only make that worst. The journey is also important, not just the destination.
As a bow user, I shouldn't be forced to run either 2H or DW in order to receive Major Brutality and remain competitive at endgame. With the current buff system, every weapon skill should be able to stand on its own and be competitive, or ZOS needs to add Major Brutality to a skill everyone can use, regardless of weapon choice or class.
As detailed above, potions are the answer to that. There are potions which increase both weapon damage and crit. Anyone can use them and with the right passives and enchantments there is no down time on them.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bow damage is getting increased as mentioned in ESO 21.
Is this a significant buff?
My build after IC patch is going to be double DW. Utilizing Flying Blade and Relentless Focus as my ranged attack's. If Bow's are getting a good enough buff, i may just have to do back to DW/Bow.
The build i will be running if anyone's wondering.
Bar 1: Dark Cloak, Blood Craze, Vigor, Surprise Attack, Ambush, Soul Harvest
Bar 2: Piercing Mark, Relentless Focus, Double Take, Steel Tornado, Flying Blade, Clouding Swarm.Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on July 22, 2015 4:33AMPS4 NA DC0 -
Voltos✭✭✭As detailed above, potions are the answer to that. There are potions which increase both weapon damage and crit. Anyone can use them and with the right passives and enchantments there is no down time on them.
Potions vs. Ability Effects: Ability buffs will always trump potions, IMO, for a few reasons. 1) Potions can be difficult to use during combat, due to game mechanic issues. 2) Only 1 potion can be active at a time, and needing to maintain Major Brutality via potion limits your options. 3) Most importantly, potions cost gold. Abilities don't.
Every magicka build in the game benefits from Entropy, regardless of class or weapon choice. Not only does it provide Major Sorcery, but Empower as well. Stamina users need similar access to Major Brutality. The best option, would be to replace Major Savagery on Expert Hunter from the Fighters Guild skill line, with a Major Brutality buff when cast and turn Major Savagery into a Fighters Guild Passive that activates upon the use of any fighters guild ability, similar to 'Might of the Guild' from the Mages Guild skill line. This would solve a lot of weapon skill balance issues.
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✭✭I liked 1.5 better, when keeping the 2H weapon active was required to benefit from momentum. The major/minor buff system really made a mess. Now everyone feels entitled to every single buff because 'it should be available with this particular playstyle'.
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✭✭✭Any stamina buff is completely unacceptable since some time ago. Stop with this crap.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)2 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As an archer I have to say, no, bow does not need this.-- @xaraan --
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Mos-De-Atmo✭✭✭I also don't think that the bow needs this at the moment. You can get the same effects anyway with either weapon switching or a potion.ESO Academy - Up To Date Info, Guides and Tips For The Elder Scrolls Online
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Momentum and Hidden Blade both unlock at 38. Poison Arrow is rank 2. I might be ok with adding it to Snipe, but Poison Arrow is too early IMO. Also both 2H and DW are close range weapons, and with Bow being ranged it offers mobility, losing damage is often a trade off.
He's right you know. But as other may be stateing in the thread Momentum is applied to both weapons instead of just the 2H which IMO is stupid and needs to be changed to only be applied to the 2H when you have it equiped so if you swap weapons the effect ends.0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Momentum and Hidden Blade both unlock at 38. Poison Arrow is rank 2. I might be ok with adding it to Snipe, but Poison Arrow is too early IMO. Also both 2H and DW are close range weapons, and with Bow being ranged it offers mobility, losing damage is often a trade off.
He's right you know. But as other may be stateing in the thread Momentum is applied to both weapons instead of just the 2H which IMO is stupid and needs to be changed to only be applied to the 2H when you have it equiped so if you swap weapons the effect ends.
You would still use 2h over dw as a nb since your usallly using Surprize att / ambush. Until this change occur's and dw (rapid atrike's) get's a buff, 2h is still the go to.....
I hate rally.
You also have to wait for IC so DW can get vigor..
The best way to fix Rally is to make it only applie to 2H ability's and the 2H itself.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on July 28, 2015 2:56AMPS4 NA DC0
