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Will IC lead to all classes and weapons being nerfed?
mrskinskull
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Many care bears will not be purchasing the imperial city dlc. Many pve or casual players that do will likely rage quit, right?
So a few weeks after launch, the population will be hard core exploiters. I mean pvpers.
While I think it would be awesome for all of the try nard bullies to get a taste of their own medicine, players willing to farm enemies for days on end or use shady exploits are not likely to accept constant death as gracefully as casual players.
Cyrodill is spread out and players are sparse, players who can go toe to toe with vr 14 try hards are rare.
In the tight quarters of the IC, with monsters clawing at every corner, and no where to hide, combat will be constant and the hard core will be common.
I predict many, many threads begging for this staff and that sword to be needed because someone killed a player with it. Many players will assume the game is broken as mobs and low level players never stand a chance against them so obviously the weapon the enemy was using NEEDS to be nerfed.
Which would be fine, but I like my swords and staves for killing bosses and running dungeons. Now I have to use a wiffle bat and a foam stick, because some hard core player can't gracefully accept defeat?
No thanks.
I am happy PvP is getting content. Please don't return here and beg for nerfs when you die to the same exploit character build you run. I want to use it on molag bal.
Cheers.
So a few weeks after launch, the population will be hard core exploiters. I mean pvpers.
While I think it would be awesome for all of the try nard bullies to get a taste of their own medicine, players willing to farm enemies for days on end or use shady exploits are not likely to accept constant death as gracefully as casual players.
Cyrodill is spread out and players are sparse, players who can go toe to toe with vr 14 try hards are rare.
In the tight quarters of the IC, with monsters clawing at every corner, and no where to hide, combat will be constant and the hard core will be common.
I predict many, many threads begging for this staff and that sword to be needed because someone killed a player with it. Many players will assume the game is broken as mobs and low level players never stand a chance against them so obviously the weapon the enemy was using NEEDS to be nerfed.
Which would be fine, but I like my swords and staves for killing bosses and running dungeons. Now I have to use a wiffle bat and a foam stick, because some hard core player can't gracefully accept defeat?
No thanks.
I am happy PvP is getting content. Please don't return here and beg for nerfs when you die to the same exploit character build you run. I want to use it on molag bal.
Cheers.
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Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Until Zenimax acknowledges it and fixes it, there will be many players who will use the Camouflaged Hunter + Caltrops exploit, or any number of other Camouflaged/Evil Hunter bugged exploit combinations in order to get easy kills in Imperial City, just like they already do in Cyrodiil.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Until Zenimax acknowledges it and fixes it, there will be many players who will use the Camouflaged Hunter + Caltrops exploit, or any number of other Camouflaged/Evil Hunter bugged exploit combinations in order to get easy kills in Imperial City, just like they already do in Cyrodiil.
Is camp hunter a night blade ability?
Caltrops? Is that night blade morph?0 -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭mrskinskull wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Until Zenimax acknowledges it and fixes it, there will be many players who will use the Camouflaged Hunter + Caltrops exploit, or any number of other Camouflaged/Evil Hunter bugged exploit combinations in order to get easy kills in Imperial City, just like they already do in Cyrodiil.
Is camp hunter a night blade ability?
Caltrops? Is that night blade morph?
Every class has access to Camouflaged Hunter/Evil Hunter/Caltrops, and every class can exploit the current bugged combinations of those skills.0 -
JMadFour✭✭✭✭✭it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
because contrary to all the recent forum posturing, PVP players are much, much bigger whiners than the PVE folks.
for at least a month after IC releases it'll be all good. then the "*insert class/skill/race* is overpowered in IC" whining will begin.
Us Nightblades will be first on the chopping block. book it.Edited by JMadFour on July 21, 2015 1:49AM1 -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
Nothing needs to be nerfed. They simply need to fix the exploits that are currently being used, and put a swift end to ones that crop up in the future.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »mrskinskull wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Until Zenimax acknowledges it and fixes it, there will be many players who will use the Camouflaged Hunter + Caltrops exploit, or any number of other Camouflaged/Evil Hunter bugged exploit combinations in order to get easy kills in Imperial City, just like they already do in Cyrodiil.
Is camp hunter a night blade ability?
Caltrops? Is that night blade morph?
Every class has access to Camouflaged Hunter/Evil Hunter/Caltrops, and every class can exploit the current bugged combinations of those skills.
Oh geez.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
Destiny, defiance and many other games are continually soft tipping weapons to appease PvP while at the same time making the pve stuff harder or ruining solid pve builds.
I just hope this doesn't happen.
I don't even care if people camp caltrop in PvP, I just hope all the big talk coming out of the big strong PvP crowd doesn't wilt and lead to hurt egos crying out for nerfs across the board.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
Yeah you're prob right. But if past is precedent then, I think its a reasonable concern.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I sense much anger in the OP.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)0 -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭timidobserver wrote: »I sense much anger in the OP.
The OP, like many of the rest of us, is probably tired of PvP whines and nerfs translating to PvE, which it shouldn't.2 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
because contrary to all the recent forum posturing, PVP players are much, much bigger whiners than the PVE folks.
for at least a month after IC releases it'll be all good. then the "*insert class/skill/race* is overpowered in IC" whining will begin.
Us Nightblades will be first on the chopping block. book it.
Maybe because if you stick soley to PvE the only thing you have to worry about is killing NPC's which is not challenging. Getting the top score on a trial run? More about replacing the lower DPS classes with higher ones, which is not balance btw. Theres no need to complain about balance because its solved by rerolling, which is not a hard thing to do for PvE content.
Rerolling to a stronger class for PvP? Well then you are resetting your alliance war rank. Players dont have the option to reroll without losing ALL progress.
Also note worthy to mention PvPers didnt have anything to talk about other than balance since cyrodill hasnt changed in over a year.0 -
mrskinskull wrote: »it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
Destiny, defiance and many other games are continually soft tipping weapons to appease PvP while at the same time making the pve stuff harder or ruining solid pve builds.
I just hope this doesn't happen.
I don't even care if people camp caltrop in PvP, I just hope all the big talk coming out of the big strong PvP crowd doesn't wilt and lead to hurt egos crying out for nerfs across the board.
Totally agree the pvp crowd trashed destiny for me with there constant nerf screams. Ruined nearly every weapon in the game. Shotguns got turned into a gun that shoots marshmellows.1 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I sense much anger in the OP.
I didn't mean to come off that way. Sorry, i just still reallllllly hate destiny and don't get me started on the nerfclopedia of defiance.
This game has been nothing but cool, tho.0 -
JMadFour✭✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
well yes, very true.
but that's not what's going to happen.
things WILL get nerfed. they always do.0 -
JMadFour✭✭✭✭✭FireCowCommando wrote: »it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
because contrary to all the recent forum posturing, PVP players are much, much bigger whiners than the PVE folks.
for at least a month after IC releases it'll be all good. then the "*insert class/skill/race* is overpowered in IC" whining will begin.
Us Nightblades will be first on the chopping block. book it.
Maybe because if you stick soley to PvE the only thing you have to worry about is killing NPC's which is not challenging. Getting the top score on a trial run? More about replacing the lower DPS classes with higher ones, which is not balance btw. Theres no need to complain about balance because its solved by rerolling, which is not a hard thing to do for PvE content.
Rerolling to a stronger class for PvP? Well then you are resetting your alliance war rank. Players dont have the option to reroll without losing ALL progress.
Also note worthy to mention PvPers didnt have anything to talk about other than balance since cyrodill hasnt changed in over a year.
I think I am just going to copy/paste "I LIKE BOTH PVE AND PVP EQUALLY" into my sig. but that still won't stop people like you assuming crap about me.
/le sigh.
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JMadFour✭✭✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
I don't even care if people camp caltrop in PvP, I just hope all the big talk coming out of the big strong PvP crowd doesn't wilt and lead to hurt egos crying out for nerfs across the board.
that's exactly what's going to happen.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭FireCowCommando wrote: »it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
because contrary to all the recent forum posturing, PVP players are much, much bigger whiners than the PVE folks.
for at least a month after IC releases it'll be all good. then the "*insert class/skill/race* is overpowered in IC" whining will begin.
Us Nightblades will be first on the chopping block. book it.
Maybe because if you stick soley to PvE the only thing you have to worry about is killing NPC's which is not challenging. Getting the top score on a trial run? More about replacing the lower DPS classes with higher ones, which is not balance btw. Theres no need to complain about balance because its solved by rerolling, which is not a hard thing to do for PvE content.
Rerolling to a stronger class for PvP? Well then you are resetting your alliance war rank. Players dont have the option to reroll without losing ALL progress.
Also note worthy to mention PvPers didnt have anything to talk about other than balance since cyrodill hasnt changed in over a year.
I think I read that wrong, did you just say that pve players should re roll characters every time a PvP player campaign nerfs their character but PvP players progress is somehow more valuable.
I probably am reading it wrong or whatever.2 -
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✭FireCowCommando wrote: »it's absolutely going to get everything nerfed.
PVP tends to do that.
because contrary to all the recent forum posturing, PVP players are much, much bigger whiners than the PVE folks.
for at least a month after IC releases it'll be all good. then the "*insert class/skill/race* is overpowered in IC" whining will begin.
Us Nightblades will be first on the chopping block. book it.
Maybe because if you stick soley to PvE the only thing you have to worry about is killing NPC's which is not challenging. Getting the top score on a trial run? More about replacing the lower DPS classes with higher ones, which is not balance btw. Theres no need to complain about balance because its solved by rerolling, which is not a hard thing to do for PvE content.
Rerolling to a stronger class for PvP? Well then you are resetting your alliance war rank. Players dont have the option to reroll without losing ALL progress.
Also note worthy to mention PvPers didnt have anything to talk about other than balance since cyrodill hasnt changed in over a year.
Losing Alliance Rank effects PVE builds too. Most Stamina DPS and Tank builds use Caltrops. Barrier is also widely used by Healers, particularly before the group hits enough CP to soften Party wide damage.1 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭My post was not directed to a single player, was just talking generally. All i was saying is if you are competing for top trial score the group min/max's the best class mix, its not so much focused on individual skill or balance between the classes.
When you PvP its about the individuals skill because your not limited by group size, so you dont have to worry about gimping your raid by bringing a poor mix. Whoever shows up gets to participate.
If the individual is in a good guild that does trials you reroll to fill missing slots for the min/max raid. Assuming you care about getting to the top of the board at least.
It doesnt help that most of the well written posts by the players who spend the most time focused in Cyrodill dont get read or replied to. Some of the most dramatic changes have never even been suggested before (such as the stam block change).
And to my last point, its not the PvP communities fault for discussing class balance, everything else we have been asking for, or promised (IC) was so far delayed there wasnt anything left to say. We asked if they were listening, sometimes they would reply a few months after.0 -
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