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Champion point system will ruin/is ruining your game!
reklaw67
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Before too many of the "I need an advantage" crowd show up.. I firmly believe that balance is something that should be a goal in pvp.. even pvp in an mmo. For the many boring things that WoW did wrong.. they eventually got gear right. In the end pvp'ers have similar gear. It might take you a month or two if you start the season late.. but within that time frame you should be on equal footing with those you are competing against. In WoW gear was really the only thing other then skill that caused an imbalance within classes.
As leveling in Eso takes so much longer (for a new player) then a game like WoW the first thing that gives older players an advantage is VR levels. That can be remedied ok as there is a vr level cap so within a slightly longer time frame new players can be on equal footing. I firmly believe that most pvpers would agree that gaps (outside of just skill) should be reduced or eliminated over a certain time frame that a new player invests in a game. But the Champion system makes sure this NEVER happens. And it's no small gap that this is creating. The difference between someone with 50 cp and someone with hundreds more is a freaking large gap. Whoever implemented the CP system in its current state honestly needs to be fired. What a complete failure to anyone but those who demand an advantage in pvp.. (I'm sure you will see a bunch of this type of player responding to this thread...)
Many good suggestions have been given to fix this.. One of the best I have setting a point at which each additional point costs more exp to reach. So new players might not exactly catch up.. but they can greatly reduce the gap by making their early points cost much much less then say points after 300.. (or whatever they want to set it at). Points after this point should cost double exp.. then triple.. then 4x.. then 5x.. etc etc. Perhaps give big buffs on cp exp before this point to allow newer players to catch up. Yes you will tick guys off who dont want an even playing field.. but they should NOT be who you cater to. That is a sure way to ruin a good pvp game.
As leveling in Eso takes so much longer (for a new player) then a game like WoW the first thing that gives older players an advantage is VR levels. That can be remedied ok as there is a vr level cap so within a slightly longer time frame new players can be on equal footing. I firmly believe that most pvpers would agree that gaps (outside of just skill) should be reduced or eliminated over a certain time frame that a new player invests in a game. But the Champion system makes sure this NEVER happens. And it's no small gap that this is creating. The difference between someone with 50 cp and someone with hundreds more is a freaking large gap. Whoever implemented the CP system in its current state honestly needs to be fired. What a complete failure to anyone but those who demand an advantage in pvp.. (I'm sure you will see a bunch of this type of player responding to this thread...)
Many good suggestions have been given to fix this.. One of the best I have setting a point at which each additional point costs more exp to reach. So new players might not exactly catch up.. but they can greatly reduce the gap by making their early points cost much much less then say points after 300.. (or whatever they want to set it at). Points after this point should cost double exp.. then triple.. then 4x.. then 5x.. etc etc. Perhaps give big buffs on cp exp before this point to allow newer players to catch up. Yes you will tick guys off who dont want an even playing field.. but they should NOT be who you cater to. That is a sure way to ruin a good pvp game.
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phairdon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Introduce new campaigns where all players are given pvp specific armor with no stats & CP is null & void.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)4 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭PVP needs to go too many people that play it whine endlessly. Funny they call themselves "competitive" Learn to lose with grace. Bunch of bad sports.Edited by Sithisvoid on July 20, 2015 2:05PM6 -
King Bozo✭✭✭People spend "time" grinding champ points. No matter what you do someone will be ahead causing people to whine. I suggest grinding champ points if you feel behind for whatever reason.5 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭So you sugggest to go without endgame progression? I wonder how many of us would be still here. Cyrodil PVP ranks was probably best thing this game ever did, no-one seems to whine about those.Edited by Sausage on July 20, 2015 2:37PM1 -
reklaw67✭✭I'd rather have less progression of the sense you speak of if it means a more competitive game. You seem to think the only type of progression involves players getting major pvp gaps over others. But other games dont have this issue. Plenty of games with pvp do their best to eliminate or greatly reduce such gaps. It's obvious the only reason Zeni has not "fixed" this issue is due to exp pots. But making $ off of creating huge gaps in pvp viability is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's so short sighted. Obviously many of you think that a quality pvp game doesnt actually involve you pvp'ing.. but in mindless aoe jerkfests where you slaughter mobs in pve to get advantages in pvp over the people who actually spend all their time pvping.
What a disastrous system. Although I got so bored with WoW it's amazing the difference in type of gamer that overwhelms most pvp threads. Whenever anyone suggests different gear for elite players they are always shot down.. many times by other elite players. An even playing field is craved by an overwhelming majority. Pvp for pvp's sake is enough.3 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't bother. They don't care.
They dutifully listen to all comments... Then proceed to do whatever the **** they want.
The CP system will remain a tool for grinders and pay-to-winners.
The IC will be a reward for people that enjoy griefing others.
The decisions being made are the reason I have finally had enough.
I just don't see enough concern over the outrage to warrant investing more of my energy giving a ****.5 -
Kloud✭✭✭Cp system isn't going anywhere if you don't like it all I can day is don't play
because it is a part of the game in a massive way 0 -
Athas24✭✭✭✭why do I feel like too many people played too much WoW or LoL and just want similar systems to one or the other? Who cares about the CP system? I can't think of one time I've been in Cyrodiil and been like omg that guy must have 400 cp compared to my 100?! ahhh! .... smh.2 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭In another thread, a ZOS employee tossed out the idea of having PvP campaigns for both vet and non-vet where CP doesn't apply at all; they wanted some opinions on it.
There might be light at the end of the tunnel, so hang in there. They may free those of us who don't want a stat advantage / stat handicap system to be able to return to the way things used to be.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Another I got killed he has too many CP thread.
News flash you will get killed with or with out CP.
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reklaw67✭✭why do I feel like too many people played too much WoW or LoL and just want similar systems to one or the other? Who cares about the CP system? I can't think of one time I've been in Cyrodiil and been like omg that guy must have 400 cp compared to my 100?! ahhh! .... smh.
That you fail to acknowledge the gaps or dont care about them doesnt make them less of a problem. In another thread a guy posted actual #'s on just one area of advantage in damage between someone who has cp points and someone who does not. Huge difference.. and that was for just one spot of investment.. so a difference of hundreds of points (not unrealistic in any way) is a monstrous gap.. that unless you are a pro would be unbridgeable.
That those spending the time to create such gaps are doing so by pve'ing is a sad state. Actually pvp'ing is one of the worst things you can do if you are concerned with not being at a disadvantage in pvp. If you cant see the problem with this then my argument is lost on you. We will never see eye to eye.
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Rhakon✭✭✭no real player wants this imbalance bringing, bad, boring, linear, playerseperating and false advertised Farmer-System.
This system is chasing away players en masse, new players are deterred and never touch the game when they hear about this dumb system.
I myself would never recommend this game to friends, because we could never play together in a good fair and entertaining way.
You can never compare your chars and progress in an interesting method beside asking: how's the grind going? or : whats your number of CSP? because the rest is hardly worth mentioning.
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reklaw67✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Another I got killed he has too many CP thread.
News flash you will get killed with or with out CP.
/sigh
No I'm concerned with actual gaps in pvp that are built from pve. It's not hard to show how huge these gaps are between the haves and have nots. That you might not think about these things does not mean they dont exist.
I cant imagine this being good for the game or attracting new players.
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ragespell✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Another I got killed he has too many CP thread.
News flash you will get killed with or with out CP.
/sigh
Ok, fair enough. If CP don't give any benefit, I propose that ZOS sold them in the store.
It wouldn't be pay to win, because many of you are saying that cp count don't matter at all: skill is skill.
So, I and many others that have no time to grind but have a job could easily buy the 3600 CP pack.
How that sounds to you Mr SkillisSkill?Edited by ragespell on July 20, 2015 9:08PM1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well you have an equal opportunity to earn CP.
So quit whining get off your behind and earn them.
You aren't the only one who has to work for a living.Edited by TequilaFire on July 20, 2015 9:26PM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I like the champion system and its far better than any Veteran concepts or levels.
Id be happier when all VR is removed but leave the champion system in place.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5011 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I like the champion system as well. It gives you something to do after VR14 if you are not into competitive PVE or PVP.1 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Well you have an equal opportunity to earn CP.
So quit whining get off your behind and earn them.
You aren't the only one who has to work for a living.
Well, that's the problem isn't it? Most of the players WORK FOR A LIVING, rather than sitting around playing this game for 16 hours a day. On top of that, the optimal method to earn CP is to grind NPCs for hours on end.
Honestly, this system is the biggest green-light I've seen a company give for botting. It's like they are screaming at the top of their lungs "EVERYBODY BOT! FREE FOR ALL!"0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dude, I own and run my own company, have a family and still earn CP just by playing the game.
Beside you do not need 1000 cp to be competitive, that is a myth, a boogie man made up by the
professional forum whiners.2 -
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I do work for a living, have a family, kids, I'm 402 CP as of today and I don't spend my days on grinding at all. You can do it as well if you properly utilize your gaming.Well, that's the problem isn't it? Most of the players WORK FOR A LIVING, rather than sitting around playing this game for 16 hours a day. On top of that, the optimal method to earn CP is to grind NPCs for hours on end.
It's a bit funny knowing that people with the most CP in many hardcore guilds are actually PvP-ers and not PvE-ers.No I'm concerned with actual gaps in pvp that are built from pve. Edited by F7sus4 on July 20, 2015 9:40PM0 -
DivinityDay✭✭✭People spend "time" grinding champ points. No matter what you do someone will be ahead causing people to whine. I suggest grinding champ points if you feel behind for whatever reason.
EXACTLY THIS^
Instead of nerfing what we worked for, earn it yourself as well. Just because you arrive to the party late doesn't mean the other guests have to regurgitate the snacks you missed out on.
CPs will be easier to earn with IC release, so please stop these threads complaining about the gap that was made by those that worked hard for the CP rank or were here for the initial release of the CP System.@AmariaNaria's chars:
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Divinity Day Sorc DPS - AD
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reklaw67✭✭Enough threads are popping up.. (Zeni even responded in one) that it looks like some changes will be incoming. You tough pve grinders will still be able to fight other pve grinders in your own campaigns..
the rest of us that like to pvp simply for the sake of pvp and look at artificial pvp gaps that have nothing to do with skill as being bad for the game.. well it looks like we will get the even playing field that we crave.
Zenimax: These 2 campaigns would be ideal
A. A campaign void of the CP system
B. A campaign where everyone is alotted 300 (whatever # you see fit) CP. This gets rid of gaps and allows everyone to make more complex builds.
Keep the regular campaigns too so these pve grinders have a place to hang out. Though I doubt many play there as they wont have the artificial gap that they crave.0 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭Zenimax: These 2 campaigns would be ideal
A. A campaign void of the CP system
B. A campaign where everyone is alotted 300 (whatever # you see fit) CP. This gets rid of gaps and allows everyone to make more complex builds.
I'm really excited to see how they handle this change and what route they take. +1 to ZOS for this.
Though somehow I doubt 1 campaign will be enough. It will probably be pop capped pretty quickly lol0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭With IC this whole CP disparity shouldnt matter anymore according to the people who are into that kind of thing.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Won't do any good to tell you that I mostly PvP. smh
Good I hope they give you a campaign of your own, just leave the rest alone.
The history of the ruin of this game has been the incessant cry for nerfs from the beginning.
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reklaw67✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Won't do any good to tell you that I mostly PvP. smh
Good I hope they give you a campaign of your own, just leave the rest alone.
The history of the ruin of this game has been the incessant cry for nerfs from the beginning.
LOL.. asking for a campaign where anyone can freely choose to participate that doesnt have major gaps built on grinding zombies is asking for a nerf? haha...
your reference to "the rest of us" would actually be a huge minority of eso pvpers. lmao. Sorry campaigns that either got rid of CP entirely or gave everyone equal CP to make their builds would dominate in population. Enjoy your barren wasteland once new campaigns are introduced.
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✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Won't do any good to tell you that I mostly PvP. smh
Good I hope they give you a campaign of your own, just leave the rest alone.
The history of the ruin of this game has been the incessant cry for nerfs from the beginning.
LOL.. asking for a campaign where anyone can freely choose to participate that doesnt have major gaps built on grinding zombies is asking for a nerf? haha...
your reference to "the rest of us" would actually be a huge minority of eso pvpers. lmao. Sorry campaigns that either got rid of CP entirely or gave every equal CP to make their builds would dominate in population. Enjoy your barren wasteland once new campaigns are introduced.
Well its going to be barren anyways because everyone will be in IC. So seems like a lot of work for naught with that DLC coming out shortly.0 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭DivinityDay wrote: »People spend "time" grinding champ points. No matter what you do someone will be ahead causing people to whine. I suggest grinding champ points if you feel behind for whatever reason.
EXACTLY THIS^
Instead of nerfing what we worked for, earn it yourself as well. Just because you arrive to the party late doesn't mean the other guests have to regurgitate the snacks you missed out on.
CPs will be easier to earn with IC release, so please stop these threads complaining about the gap that was made by those that worked hard for the CP rank or were here for the initial release of the CP System.
This is plain silly.
To suggest that I can just go grind out CP's and get with the grinder crowd is a ridiculous suggestion in my circumstances, and just as unfeasible for many others. But CP's do serve a real purpose and should stay. All we need is a campaign for non vet and vet used to wonder why some players were so against even having such a campaign, where everyone really can be equal, then it dawned on me. Such players must need weaker players to kill so they feel powerful. That's it, isn't it? Who is tougher? The guy rocking 400 cp's with passives to boost their character? Or the guy going into battle without that advantage?
Not everyone wants a power trip from this game. Some just want to be able to enjoy playing the game because its Elder Scrolls and Elder Scrolls is a rich immersive game series they love.l
Edited by Dru1076 on July 20, 2015 10:33PMAsk not what your sweetroll can do for you....0 -
ragespell✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Dude, I own and run my own company, have a family and still earn CP just by playing the game.
Beside you do not need 1000 cp to be competitive, that is a myth, a boogie man made up by the
professional forum whiners.
SELF MODERATIONEdited by ragespell on July 21, 2015 7:15AM0
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