Imperial City.....Disappointed and wondering.....

Grimnaur · July 2015

Okay, first of all, I will say that I like playing ESO and this is not an "I quit" thread.

However, I don't like non consensual PVP, and hate the idea of being looted of items from PVP death. So, I am not planning on buying this DLC. I know a lot of people are excited about it, and I am happy for you, but I am not.

All I really want to know is if I don't buy the DLC, is it going to hinder me in the future. Will I be able to purchase future DLC that is something more of my style without getting the IC DLC? I will probably play the game until I hit VR16 and then take a break until more PVE content comes out. I'm not used to playing DLC games, as I prefer Subscription games, so I just want to make sure I can buy the next DLC without having to purchase this one first, or rather at all. I just can't justify spending 2,500 crowns on 2 dungeons, which is all I would play out of it.

phairdon · July 2015

Assume we can purchase the DLC of our choice (when we have more than one).

RazzPitazz · July 2015

I know you have to purchase the DLC to be able to use/purchase anything from within IC including drop gear. The 4 man dungeons in the rest of the world Will scale up to V16 but what comes with that we have no idea right now. My guess is that orsinium will be the PvE equivalent for V16 great, but that's just a guess.

Grimnaur · July 2015

Okay, yeah, with Orsinium supposedly coming out next, will I have to purchase Imperial City before I can get Orsinium? I don't want to play IC content and don't want to be forced to pay for it just so I can get the next DLC? On sub. games you have to buy the expansions in order. I just want to know if it is the same with games like this with the DLC. Do I have to buy them all, or can I pic and choose which ones I get? Thanks for the answers so far.

RazzPitazz · July 2015

Grimnaur wrote: »

Okay, yeah, with Orsinium supposedly coming out next, will I have to purchase Imperial City before I can get Orsinium? I don't want to play IC content and don't want to be forced to pay for it just so I can get the next DLC? On sub. games you have to buy the expansions in order. I just want to know if it is the same with games like this with the DLC. Do I have to buy them all, or can I pic and choose which ones I get? Thanks for the answers so far.

Orsinium is supposed to be a solo PvE zone so my assumption is that you shouldn't have to purchase IC for it. It seems they intend on rolling out DLC that can be separate from each other, which isn't a bad thing.

Olivierko · July 2015

Seriously, it's ONE part of the content, you'll still be able get these damn stones in safer unlootable way; the containers.

It's a mystery to me that so many already started threads saying how bad idea this is, how horrible of ZOS to even remotely consider such an idea. In all honesty, this is something I beleive will improve the overall experience of pvp, I know I'm looking forward to trying it at least.

There will still be two PVE instances which will not have any PVP within them.

Grimnaur · July 2015

Olivierko wrote: »

Seriously, it's ONE part of the content, you'll still be able get these damn stones in safer unlootable way; the containers.

It's a mystery to me that so many already started threads saying how bad idea this is, how horrible of ZOS to even remotely consider such an idea. In all honesty, this is something I beleive will improve the overall experience of pvp, I know I'm looking forward to trying it at least.

There will still be two PVE instances which will not have any PVP within them.

The problem is that I don't like PVP. I started playing this game during PC beta, and have only once stepped in Cyrodiil. I don't have a problem with them releasing PVP content. I know that a lot of people love it. The thread wasn't really to bash ZOS for adding this feature. I just wanted to make sure that I didn't have to buy it in order to get the next DLC. I don't want to pay 2,500 crowns for 2 dungeons. And before anyone asks, I wouldn't want to pay 3,000 crowns for a horse, either. I have supported the game a long time and will continue to in the future, just not with this DLC.

@RazzPitazz thanks for the answer. I hope you are correct.

Sharee · July 2015

RazzPitazz wrote: »

I know you have to purchase the DLC to be able to use/purchase anything from within IC including drop gear.

No, devs said even if you do not buy IC, you will be able to use anything other players carry out of there (that is not BoP, of course).

Mos-De-Atmo · July 2015

You can but you won't be able to get VR15 and VR16 materials "naturally" until perhaps the next DLC as these only occur in the Imperial City. You also won't be able to craft some item sets and stuff but you can buy all of this stuff from other players.

Enodoc · July 2015

I am 100% certain that you will not have to buy Imperial City in order to buy future DLC.

Farorin · July 2015

Your safe guy, if you don't think it is for you, you don't have to buy it, and not buying it won't have any negative repercussions, we were even told that we can sell non bound items to people without the DLC so you could potentially still get the new item sets and stuff that come from IC without ever going there.

If they PVE dungeons are appealing to you though, you can access and complete them without having to do PVP (you need to locate and discover them first, and to do that you might have to walk through a PVP zone, but once you have done that, you can quick travel to them whenever you want, thus avoiding PVP alltogether after the intial journey to discover the dungeons), so that is something you might consider?

Phinix1 · July 2015

Mos-De-Atmo wrote: »

You can but you won't be able to get VR15 and VR16 materials "naturally" until perhaps the next DLC as these only occur in the Imperial City. You also won't be able to craft some item sets and stuff but you can buy all of this stuff from other players.

This really drove the nail in for me. I enjoy crafting and have "invested" the time to research everything so I can make anything. Being forced into PVP (a playstyle I hate especially due to the psychology of player it attracts) and to PAY for the privilege of being forced into that hated playstyle?

Sorry guys, but I'm out. Not that my opinion means didly.

Torbschka · July 2015

Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol

And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive

Farorin · July 2015

Phinix1 wrote: »

Mos-De-Atmo wrote: »

You can but you won't be able to get VR15 and VR16 materials "naturally" until perhaps the next DLC as these only occur in the Imperial City. You also won't be able to craft some item sets and stuff but you can buy all of this stuff from other players.

This really drove the nail in for me. I enjoy crafting and have "invested" the time to research everything so I can make anything. Being forced into PVP (a playstyle I hate especially due to the psychology of player it attracts) and to PAY for the privilege of being forced into that hated playstyle?

Sorry guys, but I'm out. Not that my opinion means didly.

You can buy the crafting materials without having to PVP.

Phinix1 · July 2015

Torbschka wrote: »

Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol

And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive

Have fun looting players in a ghost town.

Sorry but forcing PVE players and crafters to go into PVP, a style and mindset of play they neither enjoy nor care to become proficient at, just so PVP players can teabag and grief "EZ killz?" Yeah, that sounds like fun for anyone. The PVE players getting griefed and forced to play something they hate (and PAY for it!) and the PVP players that get to show their skills by shooting fish in a barrel that don't fight back. Thrilling.

Man I have never seen a game company hit so far off the mark as they have on this one.

I will be among the MANY PVE players that will NOT BE THERE for you to loot.

Like I said, have fun looting a ghost town. That is what this game will be if these kinds of decisions keep getting made without consideration for the bulk community consensus.

kevlarto_ESO · July 2015

Phinix1 wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol

And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive

Have fun looting players in a ghost town.

Sorry but forcing PVE players and crafters to go into PVP, a style and mindset of play they neither enjoy nor care to become proficient at, just so PVP players can teabag and grief "EZ killz?" Yeah, that sounds like fun for anyone. The PVE players getting griefed and forced to play something they hate (and PAY for it!) and the PVP players that get to show their skills by shooting fish in a barrel that don't fight back. Thrilling.

Man I have never seen a game company hit so far off the mark as they have on this one.

I will be among the MANY PVE players that will NOT BE THERE for you to loot.

Like I said, have fun looting a ghost town. That is what this game will be if these kinds of decisions keep getting made without consideration for the bulk community consensus.

I agree, I don't understand them focusing on content for the smallest part of their player base, I will be in the IC because I pvp, but I am concerned for the overall health of the game and this will not be healthy for a large portion of the player base that pays the bills for ZOS.

Lets look at other ways, you can lose your stones, game crashing your toon is still in the world, internet disco, along with the griefers that will just farm stones and you still get AP, this is going to be bad and a ghost town, I like the fact we are getting some pvp content but, I hate the fact it is going to be a turn off to so many players.
I guess we will have experience loss and corpse runs next keep adding mechanics like this I will feel like the old EQ days, dust of a coffin and a Necromancer. Been there done that for along time don't want to do it again..

Audigy · July 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

I am 100% certain that you will not have to buy Imperial City in order to buy future DLC.

I second that.

Either the DLC´s will become available for everyone after some time (WOW style with expansions), or players will be able to skip them.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol

And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive

Have fun looting players in a ghost town.

Sorry but forcing PVE players and crafters to go into PVP, a style and mindset of play they neither enjoy nor care to become proficient at, just so PVP players can teabag and grief "EZ killz?" Yeah, that sounds like fun for anyone. The PVE players getting griefed and forced to play something they hate (and PAY for it!) and the PVP players that get to show their skills by shooting fish in a barrel that don't fight back. Thrilling.

Man I have never seen a game company hit so far off the mark as they have on this one.

I will be among the MANY PVE players that will NOT BE THERE for you to loot.

Like I said, have fun looting a ghost town. That is what this game will be if these kinds of decisions keep getting made without consideration for the bulk community consensus.

I agree, I don't understand them focusing on content for the smallest part of their player base, I will be in the IC because I pvp, but I am concerned for the overall health of the game and this will not be healthy for a large portion of the player base that pays the bills for ZOS.

Lets look at other ways, you can lose your stones, game crashing your toon is still in the world, internet disco, along with the griefers that will just farm stones and you still get AP, this is going to be bad and a ghost town, I like the fact we are getting some pvp content but, I hate the fact it is going to be a turn off to so many players.
I guess we will have experience loss and corpse runs next keep adding mechanics like this I will feel like the old EQ days, dust of a coffin and a Necromancer.

At Ultima Online we could loot other players.

Yes it was annoying if you lost a sword you just found in a chest or lootet from someone, but that's the point you know. Everything becomes available for everyone, as everything can be re acquired within minutes.

You lose 30 stones here, and you win 50 there.

Did you ever "cry" when you lost gold at an MMO after death? No you didn't, because in a few minutes you had it back

In my opinion, try the system out and I don't mean you specifically, but all the guys who are afraid. On PTS its free, everyone can just do it.

Farorin · July 2015

Phinix1 wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol

And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive

Have fun looting players in a ghost town.

Sorry but forcing PVE players and crafters to go into PVP, a style and mindset of play they neither enjoy nor care to become proficient at, just so PVP players can teabag and grief "EZ killz?" Yeah, that sounds like fun for anyone. The PVE players getting griefed and forced to play something they hate (and PAY for it!) and the PVP players that get to show their skills by shooting fish in a barrel that don't fight back. Thrilling.

Man I have never seen a game company hit so far off the mark as they have on this one.

I will be among the MANY PVE players that will NOT BE THERE for you to loot.

Like I said, have fun looting a ghost town. That is what this game will be if these kinds of decisions keep getting made without consideration for the bulk community consensus.

Many players aren't as black and white as that, myself and almost everyone I play with enjoy PVE and PVP and will enjoy the IC content as a result.

It ain't shooting fish in a barrel either when those fish are fighting back. Even a PVEer wouldn't be stupid enough to just go in there solo and not fight back, and if they were, their death is from their own lack of forethought and preparation, so please stop demonising PVP players for playing PVP.

FilthyMudcrabs · July 2015

Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.

WolffenBloodseeker · July 2015

RazzPitazz wrote: »

I know you have to purchase the DLC to be able to use/purchase anything from within IC including drop gear. The 4 man dungeons in the rest of the world Will scale up to V16 but what comes with that we have no idea right now. My guess is that orsinium will be the PvE equivalent for V16 great, but that's just a guess.

The first part is not true, ZOS said many times that even if you don't have the DLC you can still buy all trade-able items in it from other players/guild stores

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Orsinium is NOT a solo PVE zone. Its like every other zone besides craglorn (yes including cyrodill where you can also solo if you choose) its a mix of grouping and the ability to solo some stuff there. There will be a group dungeon just like all other zones. There will be a public dungeon which might be able to be soloed but it will be difficult. There will be dolmens which may or may not be able to be soloed.

Just because you CAN solo an area with the right equipment and level of skill it doesnt mean its forced solo.

ragespell · July 2015

Phinix1 wrote: »

Mos-De-Atmo wrote: »

You can but you won't be able to get VR15 and VR16 materials "naturally" until perhaps the next DLC as these only occur in the Imperial City. You also won't be able to craft some item sets and stuff but you can buy all of this stuff from other players.

This really drove the nail in for me. I enjoy crafting and have "invested" the time to research everything so I can make anything. Being forced into PVP (a playstyle I hate especially due to the psychology of player it attracts) and to PAY for the privilege of being forced into that hated playstyle?

Sorry guys, but I'm out. Not that my opinion means didly.

Do you have to say that you are out in every thread?
I really don't think that is that important

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.

The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.

Sharee · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Saying something is terrible before you even try it? Good job.

The idea of losing all your stuff is terrible. Noone needs to try that to know this.

Enter IC sewers. Kill mobs until you have the minimum stones that are bankable (50). This will take you exactly 13 kills. Then turn around, and bank those 50 stones immediately. Repeat.

This way, when an enemy player kills you, you will lose 50 stones at most. Which is far from losing all your stuff.

You're welcome.

CaptainObvious · July 2015

The bank is back near the wayshrines at the edge of the battlefield.

Teiji · July 2015

What are you going to do when your Gold pledge is White-Gold tower and Imperial Sewers?

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CaptainObvious · July 2015

Secure that **** Hudson!

NobleNerd · July 2015

Olivierko wrote: »

Seriously, it's ONE part of the content, you'll still be able get these damn stones in safer unlootable way; the containers.

It's a mystery to me that so many already started threads saying how bad idea this is, how horrible of ZOS to even remotely consider such an idea. In all honesty, this is something I beleive will improve the overall experience of pvp, I know I'm looking forward to trying it at least.

There will still be two PVE instances which will not have any PVP within them.

The quests that give you the boxes of stones that cannot be looted from you if you don't open them are still inside the pvp zones. You still are being forced to be in pvp while completing the quests to receive said boxes of stones.

The 2 dungeons that are pve will NOT drop the stones. It was stated in ESO Live that you will ONLY get the stones from pvp zones.

NobleNerd · July 2015

Farorin wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Im so excited about IC, it creates so damn cool atmosphere that u can loot other pvp players, dont understand all this "mimi" threads lol

And i like pve a lot, but just consider the atmosphere wolaking iwth 5 friend through the sewers, not sure u will survive

Have fun looting players in a ghost town.

Sorry but forcing PVE players and crafters to go into PVP, a style and mindset of play they neither enjoy nor care to become proficient at, just so PVP players can teabag and grief "EZ killz?" Yeah, that sounds like fun for anyone. The PVE players getting griefed and forced to play something they hate (and PAY for it!) and the PVP players that get to show their skills by shooting fish in a barrel that don't fight back. Thrilling.

Man I have never seen a game company hit so far off the mark as they have on this one.

I will be among the MANY PVE players that will NOT BE THERE for you to loot.

Like I said, have fun looting a ghost town. That is what this game will be if these kinds of decisions keep getting made without consideration for the bulk community consensus.

Many players aren't as black and white as that, myself and almost everyone I play with enjoy PVE and PVP and will enjoy the IC content as a result.

It ain't shooting fish in a barrel either when those fish are fighting back. Even a PVEer wouldn't be stupid enough to just go in there solo and not fight back, and if they were, their death is from their own lack of forethought and preparation, so please stop demonising PVP players for playing PVP.

It is shooting fish if the attacker has 1000 CP. They need to fix the CP issue in pvp before adding more ganking fun for the overpowered.

BigM · July 2015

As long as they can solve any ganking I can live with it.