Dwemer frame drop rates

frogprincess_q4 · November 2014

Is it intended that the drop rate of Dwemer Frames is so low? To my mind it needs to be about 10 times the rate it currently is. I have farmed 7 chapters and THREE frames. I have run a variety of Dwemer dungeons and delves and killed hundreds of automatons.

I generally run dungeons that are close to the level of the character that is farming and I am getting plenty of other drops from the dwemer machines.

Garetth · November 2014

This weekend I farmed four Dwemer ruins for the chapters and frames. One in Eastmarch, two in Deshann, and one in the Al'kir desert. I went through these ruins many, many times with 3 Vet ranked toons.

I did not get one frame or one chapter after two full days of farming. To give an idea on how many automatons I killed, I collect over 650 Dwemer cogs/gears between the three toons.

The drop rate is beyond ridiculous, but then again this is ZOS so what can you expect.

frogprincess_q4 · November 2014

That's a pretty harsh blow from the RNG for you @Garetth

Ourorboros · November 2014

frogprincess_q4 wrote: »

Is it intended that the drop rate of Dwemer Frames is so low? To my mind it needs to be about 10 times the rate it currently is. I have farmed 7 chapters and THREE frames. I have run a variety of Dwemer dungeons and delves and killed hundreds of automatons.

I generally run dungeons that are close to the level of the character that is farming and I am getting plenty of other drops from the dwemer machines.

Sounds like you're right on target. I've got 6 pages and 3 frames. But others are doing better, and some worse. That's RNG for you

May the RNG be with you

xMovingTarget · November 2014

I have all Chapters and made 3 frames total while farming the motifs. Sounds fair

NOT

Now, that i have all the chapters, i cant craft myself some nice dwemer medium armor for my alt NB Kittycat! meoww...

On a serious note, i agree to an extend the droprate of scraps is too low. I farmed Rkundzleft(? these names dude) in Craglorn like one hour straight, ALONE.. And i got like 3 scraps. i need 100 scraps to get me where i wanna be.

With this comes frustration. Especially when you then attempt to buy em in guildstores for like 25k!! each. The frames in most cases are more expensive/valuable then the motif chapters. Which is just LOL for me.

eNumbra · November 2014

xMovingTarget wrote: »

On a serious note, i agree to an extend the droprate of scraps is too low. I farmed Rkundzleft(? these names dude) in Craglorn like one hour straight, ALONE.. And i got like 3 scraps. i need 100 scraps to get me where i wanna be.

Lucky you, I've farmed Rkundzleft and another Dwemer ruin 3x in Crag and pulled no scraps and 1 page - 4 days ago. Haven't found a page since.

But at least you've confirmed for me that those ruins do drop scraps.

edit:
I've done 1-2 dwemer ruins a day since the patch Ive got 3 frames and about 6 scraps.

Ackwalan · November 2014

There is no 'AI" and there is not 'RNG'. Computers only process. They can't truly be random. That is why there are streaks of glut and famine. Poor programing makes for extreme peaks and valleys.

Palidon · November 2014

Finding Dwemer Frames and Nirncrux for that matter should be no harder than finding Void Ore or the other materials needed to craft Armor and Weapons. However, some brain child over at ZOS figured they would turn it into a treasure hunt to find the new materials which to me was not the way to do it.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · November 2014

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no 'AI" and there is not 'RNG'. Computers only process. They can't truly be random. That is why there are streaks of glut and famine. Poor programing makes for extreme peaks and valleys.

Actually RNGs are extremely random. From the /dev/random man page:

"The random number generator gathers environmental noise from device drivers and other sources into an entropy pool. The generator also keeps an estimate of the number of bits of noise in the entropy pool. From this entropy pool random numbers are created."

Windose random, is probably inferior but still, very random.

AlexDougherty · November 2014

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no 'AI" and there is not 'RNG'. Computers only process. They can't truly be random. That is why there are streaks of glut and famine. Poor programing makes for extreme peaks and valleys.

Um, there is AI, the game has subroutines that react to your, this is given the monicker AI or VI depending on complexity and who is writing.

RNG is also a reality, computers have had randomised routines since the seventies, heck my school calculator had a random number generator, and a computer is far more complex.

Now it's trrue that this is all programmes, and some of it is bad programming, but it's also true that a computer game is extreme complex (also note difference between complex and complicated) and any change could have massive changes.

frogprincess_q4 · November 2014

Update: I now have all Dwemer chapters and only 4 frames. I would love to know if this is intended - to have the frames drop so rarely.

Are we supposed to be joining huge groups and farming the Dwemer ruins for hours? Has anyone tried that? Maybe in Craglorn?

Qyrk · November 2014

Wait hold on, when you people are talking about frames drop, do you mean scraps?

Within 2 days of playing casually in Avanchnzel (The Rift) I was able to find 6 motifs and 47 scraps (4 frames). It's fine as is. You guys might be just unlucky or try a different dungeon.

smacx250 · November 2014

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no 'AI" and there is not 'RNG'. Computers only process. They can't truly be random. That is why there are streaks of glut and famine. Poor programing makes for extreme peaks and valleys.

Random number generation is extremely important for cryptography. In addition to entropy sources already noted, modern CPUs actually include specialized circuits to improve the generation of random numbers, using things like thermal noise to generate "real" random sequences instead of psudo-random ones. If interested check these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RdRand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(computing)

Of course, what a program does (or doesn't) do with that info can still lead to "bad" randomness as far as it relates to the desired behavior...

frogprincess_q4 · November 2014

I'm referring to frames, I have 41 scraps --> 4 frames and the full set of chapters. I cannot even make a full set of armour without (presumably) hours of farming. Let alone a set for a friend/customer.

Orchish · November 2014

I can get more pages than frames. Not kidding either, when i got all dwemer pages and went to create the armour i was only able to craft 5 pieces in total before i had to go back out and farm more dwemer scrap.

Rebeccas04nub18_ESO · November 2014

10 hours of farming and 5 scraps

tplink3r1 · November 2014

2~3 hours of grinding and 9 scraps.

leandro.800ub17_ESO · November 2014

I have found that still some delves and too many empty pots and urns

Winnower · November 2014

Over two complete sets of pages. 1 alt make the dwemer kill achievement from almost nothing before the hunt ! hundreds more dead on main and 2 more alts.

5 frames so far.

and of course no one, NO ONE i know or heard of has seen a motif book drop - it appears this doesn't actually drop yet.

frogprincess_q4 · November 2014

So apparently the way to get more frames is to group up with whoever is currently grinding Bthanual or another Dwemer dungeon with crazy fast respawn times and run around in circles for hours...

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Bthanual

edited to add link

Suntzu1414 · November 2014

there is a method to this madness.

I just takes time, to go insane...

Kill Well
ST

20 Frames
13 DWR Sheet Motifs

wetdigestive · July 2015

lol...if your end intent is to craft yourself some dwemer armor and not to make dwemer frame and scraps a source of income then it's easier to farm gold and buy your frames!?
Let someone else do the farming of the rare stuff for you ;-)

helediron · July 2015

Razak Wheel has lots of dwemer mobs. You should get scraps enough for a frame in half hour grind.