Wow Gamespot's Review of the Console version.

Ruthven · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Because that's his job: to play the crap out of the game and give his verdict on it.

I'll be honest: had they kept the subscription fees I would not have stuck around. It just wouldn't be worth it.

He wasnt paid to play the game. He most likely wasnt even paid for the review. They did not pay him to play "scores" of hours.

So Gamespot just lets anyone write reviews and post them on their website?

RedTalon · July 2015

That review sounds almost like other reviews they have done and some done for pc before console release

Thats the wow part not the review itself has it was expected

Samadhi · July 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

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On top of that, the reviewer didn't say anything about the 5 year CP grind. Love it or hate it, this is the centerpiece of progression in ESO, so the fact that it wasn't mentioned shows me that the reviewer didn't takes his task very seriously.

Centerpiece for long-term players, yes.

Largely irrelevant to many others though.

For someone new starting on Console, the centerpiece is the pre-50 content and Vet 1-14.
Some players have hammered through it already, but most of the people I know have not made it to end-game yet.

Being in ESO long-term, Champion Points are all there is left in the game and a glaring reminder that there is no new content to level them with.

For someone new coming to ESO, Champion Points are just something that happens on the way to v14 while experiencing the actual content.

Think that many reviewers try to take to light that sort of a view -- they need to give readers a view into what they are likely to expect from the game in terms of their money's worth.

It seems fully viable to me to play this game 1-v14, then drop off and just come back for expansions.

Unless someone is into hardcore endgame PvE progression or PvP, Champion Points are not noteworthy.
If someone is into either of those, he or she will establish opinions on the system while leveling.

Not sure how many console players I expect to stick to ESO in the long-haul though.
Fallout 4 is coming.

Not normally forgiving to reviewers, as most of their stuff is hogwash that is not of high utility to me.
In terms of comprehending why he chose to focus on reviewing what he did, that makes perfect sense to me.

Snowstrider · July 2015

My big problem with the game is lack of social things and activities to do around the world,The world can feel a bit dull after awhile,Wouldnt hurt to add festivals,mini games,in game events and so on,They could do so much making the world feel more alive. Also i dislike that theres no text chat,removes social options from a game that is already lacking social options.

The grouping is also a huge problem,I wish there were downscaling,scaling,or being able to re do old quests so you could help out a friend who maybe are in a different instance or is far behind you on the quests.

Zershar_Vemod · July 2015

Pretty spot-on.

CapnPhoton · July 2015

When it mentioned WoW in the very first paragraph, I knew it wasn't going to go well.

Why does every game review person have to compare everything with what is essentially a juvenile MMO experience?

Acrolas · July 2015

He was using WoW to flesh out the MMO amusement park analogy, because it's a game most players have a little bit of experience with.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Because that's his job: to play the crap out of the game and give his verdict on it.

I'll be honest: had they kept the subscription fees I would not have stuck around. It just wouldn't be worth it.

He wasnt paid to play the game. He most likely wasnt even paid for the review. They did not pay him to play "scores" of hours.

So Gamespot just lets anyone write reviews and post them on their website?

No but they dont pay people to play games and they dont pay for the reviews. If you write a review and they like it they will post it. You wont be compensated in any way tho. They most assuredly do not pay you to play games.

reften · July 2015

ESO has the best MMO PVP in this genre with no close 2nd. Period. This is a PvE review. ESO is two different games.

Ruthven · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Because that's his job: to play the crap out of the game and give his verdict on it.

I'll be honest: had they kept the subscription fees I would not have stuck around. It just wouldn't be worth it.

He wasnt paid to play the game. He most likely wasnt even paid for the review. They did not pay him to play "scores" of hours.

So Gamespot just lets anyone write reviews and post them on their website?

No but they dont pay people to play games and they dont pay for the reviews. If you write a review and they like it they will post it. You wont be compensated in any way tho. They most assuredly do not pay you to play games.

Well whatever credibility they (Gamespot) had just flew out the window.

Elsonso · July 2015

MCMancub wrote: »

While I do think that this review is slightly over the top (from the first sentence you can almost tell he's about to start a ****-storm), I believe that ESO gets judged as an MMO unfairly. Why? Because it's held to such a higher standard than FF14, WoW, or any of the other cookie cutter MMOs. That's all ESO was supposed to be: an Elder Scrolls themed cookie cutter MMO with slight variations here and there.

But, because it has "Elder Scrolls" in the title, people expect more of it. They expect it to be as great an experience as the single player counterpart, and it was never, ever going to be that. That's the reason people don't like ESO. It has its problems, sure, but I would argue that it has no more than any other MMO I've ever played. It doesn't get bad reviews because it's a bad game, but because it didn't live up to everyone else's unfair expectations.

EDIT: This comment pretty much encapsulates why ESO gets such bad reviews time and time again.

For me it's just not an Elder Scrolls game and so it fails, the single player games are basically better MMOs and I don't understand why they stripped out everything that was good with those games, then replaced them with the crap parts of MMOs. It's just a linear theme park MMO, nothing sandbox about it and all the quests are boring "kill ten rats" style of crap. I don't even see the point in it since none of the quests are made for you to do them in a group, you end up soloing and so they might as well have just made the single player game.

It is sort of amusing how people perceive the same thing differently. After playing a lot of World of Warcraft, where "kill 10 rats" is one of a handful of standard questing templates that they regurgitate endlessly, what I liked about ESO was the lack of "kill 10 rats" quests. As much as people rave about Skyrim, Elder Scrolls has a long history of being accused of having shallow quests. Skyrim has no fat characters because the quests run all the way across the map and back.

Hiero_Glyph · July 2015

The review was fine. The thing about MMOs is that they are constantly changing so a 6 today can become an 8 tomorrow. The point is that ESO on consoles has a ton of issues and while it is an improvement over the launch of the PC version it still needs a lot of work. 1.7 and Imperial City will hopefully improve things but only time will tell how good or bad an MMO is since they are constantly changing. A 6 is an accurate score for the current state of the console versions however.

Kuroinu · July 2015

What most people tend to forget when reading a review is that it's generally one persons opinion. A game could be a 9 for you, but a 3 for someone else; purely based on the preferences of the individual.

In the case of a MMO review; the reviewer more often than not cannot put the time in to truly experience a MMO; and that time in my opinion would be at least 6 months, but most are reviewed after a month of play or less. Many months might sound crazy long for a single review but in terms of an accurate assessment of a MMO I believe that this is the required amount of time needed. Even then, like I mentioned before the review score can vary greatly depending on the reviewer and also the current timeline in which the reviewer decides he wants to take on the game.

In truth, reviews of MMOs shouldn't be taken quite as serious as other games. Something as simple as meeting the right people to play with can change your entire experience of a MMO game; and also playing it at a different time in its development.

The only real review that matters is your own.

Zhoyzu · July 2015

The Game isnt any different than PC. Several things are worse. all they really had to do was review the change (minimal but there). This game in the hands of any other developer could be an 8/10 easy if not a 9.
Zo$ and their $#!T practices are why ratings are lower.

BigM · July 2015

Pretty good spot on review.

DenMoria · July 2015

Just give me a new ES installment with, maybe, some limited local LAN Co-op and I'll be happy.

I don't like MMO and PvP. I'm just not that competitive and have no use for all the farming and grinding needed to actually accomplish something in ESO. Apparently, that, at least, holds true for all MMOs so I guess I was right in not really being in to them.

nimander99 · July 2015

Its a hatchet job, pure and simple, it reads like the author trolled the forums and took all the complaints and said this is ESOTU. Even the questing which is the best in the genre he had to complain about... what a fool.

Tyrusaran · July 2015

they could have done a real indepth review and the game would barely get a 3/10 then. They should be happy they were reviewed with a 6, cause we sure know the camelot devs that now run the show here dont deserve it.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Thats what real reviewers do. They dont just spend 3 hours running around the game like some of these 'Pay Me and Ill Say Something Good bout Your Game' Reviewers.

Samadhi · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Just give me a new ES installment with, maybe, some limited local LAN Co-op and I'll be happy.
...

If you are not familiar with it, you may be interested in the Tamriel Online mod:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/67038/?

still being worked on, but going fairly strong.

nimander99 · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Because that's his job: to play the crap out of the game and give his verdict on it.

I'll be honest: had they kept the subscription fees I would not have stuck around. It just wouldn't be worth it.

He wasnt paid to play the game. He most likely wasnt even paid for the review. They did not pay him to play "scores" of hours.

So Gamespot just lets anyone write reviews and post them on their website?

No but they dont pay people to play games and they dont pay for the reviews. If you write a review and they like it they will post it. You wont be compensated in any way tho. They most assuredly do not pay you to play games.

OK I need to put this to bed right now, the video game industry is the largest and highest grossing of the entertainment industry, more revenue is brought in than Hollywood movies per year. To say a professional reviewer for a large gaming news company doesn't get paid to do his job makes you ten kinds of naive and disconnected from reality. Authors that review video games are ABSOLUTELY PAID. It would be like saying Siskel & Ebert reviewed movies for the love of it and the free tickets, LAWL.

Samadhi · July 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Because that's his job: to play the crap out of the game and give his verdict on it.

I'll be honest: had they kept the subscription fees I would not have stuck around. It just wouldn't be worth it.

He wasnt paid to play the game. He most likely wasnt even paid for the review. They did not pay him to play "scores" of hours.

So Gamespot just lets anyone write reviews and post them on their website?

No but they dont pay people to play games and they dont pay for the reviews. If you write a review and they like it they will post it. You wont be compensated in any way tho. They most assuredly do not pay you to play games.

OK I need to put this to bed right now, the video game industry is the largest and highest grossing of the entertainment industry, more revenue is brought in than Hollywood movies per year. To say a professional reviewer for a large gaming news company doesn't get paid to do his job makes you ten kinds of naive and disconnected from reality. Authors that review video games are ABSOLUTELY PAID.

Paid, sure.
Not really paid to play video games rigorously though.

The industry has changed. We used to get our information from gaming magazines with dedicated review teams
Much of it is now freelance.

If you go back to the news story you can click on the author's name to take you to his profile page:
http://www.gamespot.com/profile/dsaas89/

He is classed as a "member" rather than staff of any sort; and there is no guarantee he was paid for the review.
If he was, he was probably paid peanuts since that is more lucrative for the gaming review site.

Kaitona · July 2015

Banky71 wrote: »

Gamespot was probably just bitter because ESO didn't buy ad space.

^^
This

Pretty much how online game review sites work these days. Pay them and get a good review. How this game didn't score 8 or 9/10 is anyone's guess.

Tyrusaran · July 2015

reften wrote: »

ESO has the best MMO PVP in this genre with no close 2nd. Period. This is a PvE review. ESO is two different games.

HHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA STOP MAKING ME LAUGH!

best mmo pvp is in guild wars 2.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ruthven wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Guy mentions how he has spent "scores" of hours playing the game he doesnt like.

Because that's his job: to play the crap out of the game and give his verdict on it.

I'll be honest: had they kept the subscription fees I would not have stuck around. It just wouldn't be worth it.

He wasnt paid to play the game. He most likely wasnt even paid for the review. They did not pay him to play "scores" of hours.

So Gamespot just lets anyone write reviews and post them on their website?

The guy is paid to write reviews. Just not paid by corporations looking for stamps of approval to make the game look better.

Samadhi · July 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

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If you go back to the news story you can click on the author's name to take you to his profile page:
http://www.gamespot.com/profile/dsaas89/

He is classed as a "member" rather than staff of any sort; and there is no guarantee he was paid for the review.
If he was, he was probably paid peanuts since that is more lucrative for the gaming review site.

Will come back and correct myself.

https://twitter.com/dsaas89

His Twitter lists him as Associate Editor of Gamespot.

Formally paid for his reviews rather than freelance work.

SergeantParadox · July 2015

I agree with some people saying the review was rather vague, also saying PVP is needed to level properly because of lackluster XP rewards to my knowledge is just flat out wrong. He dose bring up some good points but it seems most MMOs have the problems he stated anyway, overall very odd review.

JSylvan · July 2015

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

UPrime wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

EDIT: Honestly, if they never bothered with consoles, I think we would have a much more polished game on our hands. The better part of the past year was them working on the console release.

Not everybody at zos was working on console. UI, programming and testing sure, but content and abilities is all shared so those people have been working on Imp City and the new Orc zone and the new balance stuff in update 7.

I imagine they've been done with the bulk of I.C. for some time now and have been told by the boys upstairs to hold off until console release.

That's more than likely, which is the worst thing they could have done IMO.

Gotta remember that ZeniMax/Bethesda is a for-profit business trying to make money. It's understandable to hold off on releasing DLC content until after the console release for the simple reason that they'll be offering their product to significantly more potential customers. Keep in mind that there are already more than twice as many ESO console players after a month and a half as there are ESO pc players after a year and a half. Any business would be crazy to ignore that many potential customers. Just sayin' ...