So I'm starting over completely this weekend

DenMoria · July 2015

I've now, officially decided that it's time to get down to brass tacks with ESO.

I've played through to level 10 on a variety of different builds and have come to the conclusion that I need to play more of a hybrid to truly satisfy myself.

Sorcerer is great and all - but they're so fragile in general and their spell selection is rather limited with a great deal of concentration on lightning (never my favorite).

Dragon Knight is okay. I like that you can use your spikey armor and I really like the stone/lava capabilities, but, to me, the fire abilities leave something to be desired.

Nightblade is a great class, but tends to be somewhat OP, IMO and, there are so many cool abilities but so few slots to be able to use. I wonder what the point of disabling effects are for if, as soon as you use them to give you an advantage and buy you time, you negate them. What, am I supposed to use the 30 seconds to simply run away?

Templar is an awesome class, don't get me wrong, but the whole javelin thing just doesn't really seem to fit with my RP. Love the two-handed skills and the health/stamina boosts. You can kick some serious butt.

I could use advice on where to go from here and with a build that will actually serve a larger purpose in this universe, especially in the MMO and group environment.

Are there classes that seem to be lacking, that others aren't playing that folks would find useful and would be able to make a serious contribution to the team as a whole?

I'm brand new to grouping and MMO and PvP and really want to make a concerted effort to fit in well and be useful.

A Hybrid build is fine with me, if someone can suggest something. I'm happy to try and I want to make this runthrough count.

Also, would you suggest 1 character on NA and one on EU? I notice that, on NA, there are always hordes of folks around so surviving mobs isn't usually a big deal, but EU is so much more open, it can be kind of dangerous.

Thanks much!

VoidBlue · July 2015

try not to play the "role" that class may think it should be.

nightblade, try playing as a tank.
DK try playing as a healer.

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Amsel_McKay · July 2015

VoidBlue wrote: »

try not to play the "role" that class may think it should be.

nightblade, try playing as a tank.
DK try playing as a healer.

This is good advice, because your comments seem to say that you are trying to fit a role to a class. "Sorcerer is great and all - but they're so fragile in general and their spell selection is rather limited" You can make a heavy Sorcerer build that will have the same HP and AC as a DK with the same build. I wish ESO just got rid of classes.

GioKaPow · July 2015

@DenMoria Out of curiosity what platform do you play on? o:
Edit: Never mind I'm an idiot...

BeardLumber · July 2015

Stopping at level ten isn't giving you enough time to fully experience any class. For one you don't unlock your second skill bar until level 15 and thats when the game starts to truly open up.

Customization of a build changes a lot with that second bar.

DenMoria · July 2015

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

try not to play the "role" that class may think it should be.

nightblade, try playing as a tank.
DK try playing as a healer.

This is good advice, because your comments seem to say that you are trying to fit a role to a class. "Sorcerer is great and all - but they're so fragile in general and their spell selection is rather limited" You can make a heavy Sorcerer build that will have the same HP and AC as a DK with the same build. I wish ESO just got rid of classes.

I was actually thinking about that one. I would love to play a dual wielding sorcerer that deals a lot of physical damage. I do love the dark magic and the soul magic components of this game and am glad how they handle staffs as opposed to the limited use that one gets in other ES games.

I also like the healing build, but, the issue is that there's no healing magic other than staffs for a DK. Maybe a Templar/Mage hybrid with a lot of healing? Just a thought.

I would love to create a classic D&D Cleric type (that was always one of my favorites in D&D), but can't figure out the right balances.

kupacmac · July 2015

VoidBlue wrote: »

try not to play the "role" that class may think it should be.

Agreed. Pick the class you like best and just experiment with different weapon combos and builds until you find something that clicks for you.

DenMoria · July 2015

BeardLumber wrote: »

Stopping at level ten isn't giving you enough time to fully experience any class. For one you don't unlock your second skill bar until level 15 and thats when the game starts to truly open up.

Customization of a build changes a lot with that second bar.

I agree, but, as I was brand new and wanted to experience what each type was capable of, that's why I did it that way. I wanted to get a taste before diving in to the meal as a whole.

I'm not a very good player and kept finding weaknesses in my builds that needed to be fixed.

I hate dieing and that's all I seemed to do, regardless of my build.

Now that I'm more familiar with all the mechanics, and crafting and how the game works, I want to try for real this time.

DenMoria · July 2015

kupacmac wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

try not to play the "role" that class may think it should be.

Agreed. Pick the class you like best and just experiment with different weapon combos and builds until you find something that clicks for you.

I've been doing that for the last month and have tried so many different things that I finally decided to ask for help. I don't really care what I play, I just want to contribute and there must be some sort of hole that needs filled in the MMO and grouping community that isn't being filled. When I look at the groups it seems to be mostly agressive, DPS builds, so I'm trying to go a different way and yet not leave myself being the weenie I can be, since I'm really not a great player.

HxC · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

I've played through to level 10 on a variety of different builds and have come to the conclusion that I need to play more of a hybrid to truly satisfy myself.

A Hybrid build is fine with me, if someone can suggest something. I'm happy to try and I want to make this runthrough count.

Thanks much!

So you 'll be a tank,
Each class can fufill the role.

DK is the main class for this but Nightblade are really hard to kill and with high sustain they just lack of a good CC (PvE),
Templar are versatile you can go for Pure tank, Tank/Dps or tank/healer build, Sorcerer are nice for Dps/Tank and if you want to be original is the way to go.

BeardLumber · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

I agree, but, as I was brand new and wanted to experience what each type was capable of, that's why I did it that way. I wanted to get a taste before diving in to the meal as a whole.

I'm not a very good player and kept finding weaknesses in my builds that needed to be fixed.

I hate dieing and that's all I seemed to do, regardless of my build.

Now that I'm more familiar with all the mechanics, and crafting and how the game works, I want to try for real this time.

I understand your reasoning to test each class, but what I highlighted in bold are things that change drastically when you hit level 15.

DenMoria wrote: »

I would love to create a classic D&D Cleric type (that was always one of my favorites in D&D), but can't figure out the right balances.

You say you would like to play a Cleric type build, that's how I play my main currently. The only way I find it works is by splitting my healing and dps skills across the two bars.

I play as a templar and although I focus mainly on healing I can jump in for some extra dps when I am in groups and when things get really tough I can tank long enough for the rest of the group to reorganize and such.

DenMoria · July 2015

Thank all!

So I've come down to two-hybrids that seem like they'd work for me

1) The Sorcerer/Tank - be able to deal out physical punishment and still use my dark magic
2) The Templar/Healer - classic D&D type cleric type

Thanks so much! Now I know what I'm going to create over the weekend and move forward with.

Y'all have been a great help.

Amsel_McKay · July 2015

"classic D&D Cleric type"
I play a Templar for this, just because you can switch from mace and board to full heal quickly. I did play a DK that felt better but more like a Palidain (heal yourself), a nightblade felt like an EQ DeathKnight.

Lord Xanhorn · July 2015

Templar is the answer. They are really fun. I have a early leveling build that's a hybrid melee/caster build that uses a 2h wep. I'll share it if you're interested.

OmniDevil · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

I'm not a very good player and kept finding weaknesses in my builds that needed to be fixed.

At Level 10, you really don't have a "build". You've barely scratched the surface of each class and their skills. Builds don't really start becoming all that important until end-game. Everything before that is for experimentation and getting to VR14 as quickly as possible (or slow if you like to read everything).

You like to "get a taste before diving in to the meal as a whole". Level 10 isn't even a taste. I'd recommend playing till at least Level 20. I was in the same exact boat. I played each one to 20 and found the class I enjoy the most.

Break the mold, as others of have said. I rolled my Dragonknight as a DD using DW/2H. By the time I hit VR1, not only could I solo World Bosses and steam roll through packs of enemies, it also became very monotonous and boring. I just switched to a full magicka Destro Staves DK. I'm squishier (quite a bit), but this also added a bit of a challenge.

And good luck with a hybrid build. You'll soon come to realize the real truth behind "Play The Way You Want".

DenMoria · July 2015

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Templar is the answer. They are really fun. I have a early leveling build that's a hybrid melee/caster build that uses a 2h wep. I'll share it if you're interested.

Yes please! A tank/spellcaster really appeals to me.

Atlaz · July 2015

I wouldn't mind leveling multiple weapons but the thing is you can only have strong magic attack or strong melee attack at a time. My character is almost level 30 now, leveling up multiple characters is something you don't want to do.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2015

Play to higher than level 10? You haven't gotten a taste for anything at that point.

Heck, you haven't even unlocked your second skillbar at that point.

OmniDevil · July 2015

Atlaz wrote: »

I wouldn't mind leveling multiple weapons but the thing is you can only have strong magic attack or strong melee attack at a time. My character is almost level 30 now, leveling up multiple characters is something you don't want to do.

You can slot an ability from a Destro Staves on your bar, while wielding a Two Handed weapon. Though you're not using the skill or a Destro Staff, it will gain in experience for each kill and quest turn in.

That's how I leveled 2H and other trees while purely focusing on DW early on.

Lord Xanhorn · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Templar is the answer. They are really fun. I have a early leveling build that's a hybrid melee/caster build that uses a 2h wep. I'll share it if you're interested.

Yes please! A tank/spellcaster really appeals to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysMFNJbhjE

Eejit1331 · July 2015

If those are your last two picks, Temp dps/healer is really fun for pve. If you can keep the group Alive and put up good dps, even better. Most dungeons I have all dps and one heal, but need be, my back has the tools I need to put out some heals, just in case.

DenMoria · July 2015

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Templar is the answer. They are really fun. I have a early leveling build that's a hybrid melee/caster build that uses a 2h wep. I'll share it if you're interested.

Yes please! A tank/spellcaster really appeals to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysMFNJbhjE

Sweet! Really cool.

ahampelb14_ESO · July 2015

I tanked a little bit on PC as a sorc level 25 or 30? i dont remember. Heavy armor, sword and shield, summon armor, lots of lightning, healing staff on the other bar for when the boss required distance. It was fun for sure but I heard it's not the best tank class so up to you. Im going to try a tank/healer templar now on xbone and see how that works - im more about fun vs. maxing my character. I did too much of that in the WoW days. DMG and healing calcs and all that jazz - all fun and casual now

Lord Xanhorn · July 2015

ahampelb14_ESO wrote: »

I tanked a little bit on PC as a sorc level 25 or 30? i dont remember. Heavy armor, sword and shield, summon armor, lots of lightning, healing staff on the other bar for when the boss required distance. It was fun for sure but I heard it's not the best tank class so up to you. Im going to try a tank/healer templar now on xbone and see how that works - im more about fun vs. maxing my character. I did too much of that in the WoW days. DMG and healing calcs and all that jazz - all fun and casual now

This for sure. Have fun playing the game not worried about using skills or builds that might inch a few extra points out but really arent that fun to you.

Lecilia · July 2015

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kupacmac · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Templar is the answer. They are really fun. I have a early leveling build that's a hybrid melee/caster build that uses a 2h wep. I'll share it if you're interested.

Yes please! A tank/spellcaster really appeals to me.

That's what I do on my crafter alt because he's 100% solo. I use mostly heavy armor for durability with 1H+shield (although 2H would work just as well). On my primary bar I have my weapon skills for stamina based attacks, templar skills for magicka based attacks, and breath of life for heals. On my secondary weapon I slot something with ranged attacks so I'm basically a one man band (tank, healer, ranged and melee dps).

ADarklore · July 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Sorcerer is great and all - but they're so fragile in general and their spell selection is rather limited with a great deal of concentration on lightning (never my favorite).

Playing to level 10 doesn't indicate ANYTHING about how the class plays later on. Sorcs, fragile? At VR1, I have been wearing only Light armor since level 24 and rarely EVER die and I have almost all my attribute points into Magicka. But, if you expect to play a melee Sorc wearing Light armor, yes, you will be extremely fragile and die often.

As far as Lightning... I have ONE Lightning spell in my loadout- Liquid Lightning. Also, depends on if you PvP focus or PvE. I am strictly PvE... I run: 1: Force Pulse, Crystal Frag, Structured Entropy, Magelight, Unstable Clannfear and 2: Restraining Prison, Liquid Lightning, Elemental Ring, Magelight, Unstable Clannfear. With dual Destruction staff. My Ultimate- until I get Shooting Star from Mage Guild, I'm running Greater Atronach. However, I have NEVER had to use an Ultimate up to this point, at VR1. I utilize my Clannfear as a tank and I stand back and kill from range. Well, mobs I usually run up to them, throw on Restraining Prison, drop Liquid Lightning, and then circle around them while spamming Elemental Ring.

So no... I have not found Sorcs to be fragile in any way. Of course, up to level 24 I ran with three pieces of Heavy until I was able to get some heavier hitting abilities and passives. I also spent a couple days early on running around high level areas collecting the easiest Skyshards so that I had plenty of skill points early as well. Plus, I also utilize Food buffs for Health and Magicka. Like I said, I rarely ever die unless I do something stupid.

DenMoria · July 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Sorcerer is great and all - but they're so fragile in general and their spell selection is rather limited with a great deal of concentration on lightning (never my favorite).

Playing to level 10 doesn't indicate ANYTHING about how the class plays later on. Sorcs, fragile? At VR1, I have been wearing only Light armor since level 24 and rarely EVER die and I have almost all my attribute points into Magicka. But, if you expect to play a melee Sorc wearing Light armor, yes, you will be extremely fragile and die often.

As far as Lightning... I have ONE Lightning spell in my loadout- Liquid Lightning. Also, depends on if you PvP focus or PvE. I am strictly PvE... I run: 1: Force Pulse, Crystal Frag, Structured Entropy, Magelight, Unstable Clannfear and 2: Restraining Prison, Liquid Lightning, Elemental Ring, Magelight, Unstable Clannfear. With dual Destruction staff. My Ultimate- until I get Shooting Star from Mage Guild, I'm running Greater Atronach. However, I have NEVER had to use an Ultimate up to this point, at VR1. I utilize my Clannfear as a tank and I stand back and kill from range. Well, mobs I usually run up to them, throw on Restraining Prison, drop Liquid Lightning, and then circle around them while spamming Elemental Ring.

So no... I have not found Sorcs to be fragile in any way. Of course, up to level 24 I ran with three pieces of Heavy until I was able to get some heavier hitting abilities and passives. I also spent a couple days early on running around high level areas collecting the easiest Skyshards so that I had plenty of skill points early as well. Plus, I also utilize Food buffs for Health and Magicka. Like I said, I rarely ever die unless I do something stupid.

Well... I do love playing sorcerers. I'm just hoping that there is a greater variety of spells later on.

Korozenn · July 2015

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

try not to play the "role" that class may think it should be.

nightblade, try playing as a tank.
DK try playing as a healer.

This is good advice, because your comments seem to say that you are trying to fit a role to a class. "Sorcerer is great and all - but they're so fragile in general and their spell selection is rather limited" You can make a heavy Sorcerer build that will have the same HP and AC as a DK with the same build. I wish ESO just got rid of classes.

It'd be a HUUUGE pain to balance, and it would require ZOS completely restructuring the game around this very notion. So I don't know if it is an option to do so at this point in the game. The amount of variables you would have to account for...yikes. I'd rather they just focus on Spellcrafting, adding new Classes, and fixing the Champion Point system more so than anything else at that point.

Celestrael · July 2015

Honestly you can't tell much of anything from playing just to level 10. Almost nothing is unlocked by that point, you haven't even scratched the surface of any class yet.