$25 for IC DLC: Fair or Overpriced?

Romo · July 2015

Overpriced

PBpsy wrote: »

Considering that they introduce a type of corpse looting in the game and access to the dungeons is dependent on the state of the campaign anything other than them giving me money to deal with that kind of BS is overpriced.
The only way I will consider to buy it now is if they confirm that I can go into the PVE Dungeons at any time just like normal dungeons.

That said I wouldn't have a problem paying $10-$15 for vet versions of the dungeons. I m just not interested in paying for ZOS inconvenient BS.

Yes, this... corpse looting, limited access... plus have to pvp to get inside, against no-lifers with hundreds of CP, ground out to just be able to gank.

The devs are just listening to the 1% who game this way...

Other than that, probably a good price, but unusable for the large majority of players. Strange management decision to say the least.

bowmanz607 · July 2015

Fair

Romo wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Considering that they introduce a type of corpse looting in the game and access to the dungeons is dependent on the state of the campaign anything other than them giving me money to deal with that kind of BS is overpriced.
The only way I will consider to buy it now is if they confirm that I can go into the PVE Dungeons at any time just like normal dungeons.

That said I wouldn't have a problem paying $10-$15 for vet versions of the dungeons. I m just not interested in paying for ZOS inconvenient BS.

Yes, this... corpse looting, limited access... plus have to pvp to get inside, against no-lifers with hundreds of CP, ground out to just be able to gank.

The devs are just listening to the 1% who game this way...

Other than that, probably a good price, but unusable for the large majority of players. Strange management decision to say the least.

I am far from that 1% and i love what they did. we dont know enough about the corpse looting yet to comment on it. but with the 4-man ungeons and what not it seems there are ways to earn it w/o being ganked. Moreover, ganking will be limited in IC. think about it. Close quarters fighting with plenty of aoe. There is no where for a ganker to run. Additionally, given the set up of IC from what we have seen so far, it would seem that there is not going to be a place where there is like no action. it seems there will always be people around. IC seems to cater to small group play. To gank will require more then CP. it will require luck and patience more then anythin.

nodnarb_420 · July 2015

Overpriced

from what they have listed so far it sounds a bit overpriced to me. that may change depending on the actual size of the new zone and if they get any bug fixes out between now and then.

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

Fair

This is barely a fair price. I think $20 would be right on the mark to be honest.

nodnarb_420 · July 2015

Overpriced

Pman85 wrote: »

This has been going on for a long while, long long while. I remember when WoW dropped in 2004 and you could platform into the zones that didnt get opened up until 3 expansions later. I just think some players havent realized this until the past few years.

i got into every nook and cranny of that game and the areas that were opened later were completely overhauled before they were actually opened up.

hyjal for instance was a mostly completely different layout and was much smaller before they opened it.

NobleNerd · July 2015

Overpriced

Imperial City isn't even a truly open content for all players. Even after you purchase it your faction has to battle to control it and have access to it. It is not like you pay your $25 dollars and can go enjoy the content anytime you want.

This content doesn't justify a DLC.

Draxys · July 2015

Overpriced

They've been working on this since well before the game was BTP, so yes, it's overpriced when you consider the big picture. If the game had not been sub based very recently, I would say it's fair.

nimander99 · July 2015

Neither, I think it's underpriced honestly... I mean, think about it. We are getting 2 dungeons, several areas, a few motifs etc. for $25 bucks and mounts are $30? Yeah, it's underpriced.

Edit: Im only speaking to cost, not the whole this wont be accessable by everyone or its been in development for over a year arguments.

UTG_Zilla · July 2015

Unfair because no TES dlc has ever been more than $15. I think shivering isles was the most expensive but that's fair, it a huge dlc at the time.

bowmanz607 · July 2015

Fair

NobleNerd wrote: »

Imperial City isn't even a truly open content for all players. Even after you purchase it your faction has to battle to control it and have access to it. It is not like you pay your $25 dollars and can go enjoy the content anytime you want.

This content doesn't justify a DLC.

I have asked this question many times now. I watch every ESO live and keep up with the news. I have not once heard anything about having to control anything to access the IC. I have heard that you may have to fight your way in even that was a loose mention. I do not ever recall anyone stating that certain keeps need to be owned or a place needs to be controlled to access it. I am not saying you dont have to, but i would like to see an offical source on this. To date I have only heard rumors getting spread that people seem to be taking and running with.

Azalin76 · July 2015

Overpriced

I say it's overpriced because it's only a pvp upgrade, if it had pve stuff to do i would say it's fair, but since I don't really pvp because the DC on the ps4 has no decent server for vet ranks, it's not worth it to me at all.

Korozenn · July 2015

It is 5,500 Crowns = $39.99. That's the best deal you'll find on the Crown Store atm.
IC is 2,500 Crowns = ~$18.00.

It is most definitely not $20 or $25. I would say it is reasonable for newer players. For us veteran players that have been here since beta and early access/launch, we should be getting a discounted price (at the very least) on Imperial City and Orsinium.

bowmanz607 · July 2015

Fair

Azalin76 wrote: »

I say it's overpriced because it's only a pvp upgrade, if it had pve stuff to do i would say it's fair, but since I don't really pvp because the DC on the ps4 has no decent server for vet ranks, it's not worth it to me at all.

ummm...there are two new 4-man dungeons. That means there is pve content. you can grind those dungeons to your hearts content

Sharee · July 2015

Fair

bowmanz607 wrote: »

NobleNerd wrote: »

Imperial City isn't even a truly open content for all players. Even after you purchase it your faction has to battle to control it and have access to it. It is not like you pay your $25 dollars and can go enjoy the content anytime you want.

This content doesn't justify a DLC.

I have asked this question many times now. I watch every ESO live and keep up with the news. I have not once heard anything about having to control anything to access the IC. I have heard that you may have to fight your way in even that was a loose mention. I do not ever recall anyone stating that certain keeps need to be owned or a place needs to be controlled to access it. I am not saying you dont have to, but i would like to see an offical source on this. To date I have only heard rumors getting spread that people seem to be taking and running with.

There is a recent post by a german mod that says they are evaluating four options
- free access to all
- access if your faction controls all 6 home keeps
- access if your faction controls all 6 home keeps and at least 1 enemy keep
- access if your faction controls the majority of keeps

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2025258#Comment_2025258

bowmanz607 · July 2015

Fair

Sharee wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

NobleNerd wrote: »

Imperial City isn't even a truly open content for all players. Even after you purchase it your faction has to battle to control it and have access to it. It is not like you pay your $25 dollars and can go enjoy the content anytime you want.

This content doesn't justify a DLC.

I have asked this question many times now. I watch every ESO live and keep up with the news. I have not once heard anything about having to control anything to access the IC. I have heard that you may have to fight your way in even that was a loose mention. I do not ever recall anyone stating that certain keeps need to be owned or a place needs to be controlled to access it. I am not saying you dont have to, but i would like to see an offical source on this. To date I have only heard rumors getting spread that people seem to be taking and running with.

There is a recent post by a german mod that says they are evaluating four options
- free access to all
- access if your faction controls all 6 home keeps
- access if your faction controls all 6 home keeps and at least 1 enemy keep
- access if your faction controls the majority of keeps

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2025258#Comment_2025258

I see thank you for the source it is much appreciated. I will take your word for it on the translation. But i would point out that the first bullet point says free access to all followed by the control thing. So i would take it with a grain of salt. It would seem like a good idea to do the control thing if it was free to all. However, being that it is obviously not the case, it would seem like and extrmely bad business move to make people pay for something they have no control over getting into. Although still plausible. i just dont see that happening.

Jando · July 2015

Fair

We won't know for sure until we see the actual content. But from what i've read, it seems fair.

Ley · July 2015

Fair

It's about what I expected to pay and I imagine the price will go down over time. Either way I'm not greatly concerned because as long as I intend to keep playing, I'm going to remain subscribed.

Sharee · July 2015

Fair

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

NobleNerd wrote: »

Imperial City isn't even a truly open content for all players. Even after you purchase it your faction has to battle to control it and have access to it. It is not like you pay your $25 dollars and can go enjoy the content anytime you want.

This content doesn't justify a DLC.

I have asked this question many times now. I watch every ESO live and keep up with the news. I have not once heard anything about having to control anything to access the IC. I have heard that you may have to fight your way in even that was a loose mention. I do not ever recall anyone stating that certain keeps need to be owned or a place needs to be controlled to access it. I am not saying you dont have to, but i would like to see an offical source on this. To date I have only heard rumors getting spread that people seem to be taking and running with.

There is a recent post by a german mod that says they are evaluating four options
- free access to all
- access if your faction controls all 6 home keeps
- access if your faction controls all 6 home keeps and at least 1 enemy keep
- access if your faction controls the majority of keeps

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2025258#Comment_2025258

I see thank you for the source it is much appreciated. I will take your word for it on the translation. But i would point out that the first bullet point says free access to all followed by the control thing. So i would take it with a grain of salt. It would seem like a good idea to do the control thing if it was free to all. However, being that it is obviously not the case, it would seem like and extrmely bad business move to make people pay for something they have no control over getting into. Although still plausible. i just dont see that happening.

I am fairly sure there is an english mod post about this as well, i just did not dig deep enough into the dev tracker

And we should get more info on friday's eso live as well.

bowmanz607 · July 2015

Fair

ya i think everyone needs to calm down till we get more info and the PTS

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Misleading, at best. You buy 5500 crowns for $40. That means 137.5 crowns cost $1. The 2500 crown cost for the Imperial City, therefore, amounts to $18.18, or eighteen dollars and eighteen cents, not $25 like the topic title claims. Given that many games charge full-price ($40-60) amounts for expansion packs in the MMO genre, $18.18 for what probably amounts to more than half of what those expansions typically provide, while not having to pay a 15-buck fee every month just to play, is a VERY good value .

You are going the wrong direction with your dollar to crown comparison. Its common practice in microtransaction stores that the more crowns you buy the larger amount of 'free' crowns you gain.

To get a solid idea of how much crowns actually cost. You need to pay attention to the smaller packages. The 8 dollars for 750 Crowns and the 14.99 for 1500 Crowns.

And I just noticed youre an 'ambassador'....So of course youre going to defend ZOS on this.

Nope. I just can do basic math. As a customer (such as you and I), we essentially incur a penalty for buying small quantities, sort of like how buying one light bulb is much more expensive than a four-pack.

AlnilamE · July 2015

Fair

Parrotbrain wrote: »

This should be free to PC players who subbed until the announcement of B2P or the release of TU. The only reason why so many of us remained subbed to a stagnant game was the carrots they waved on stick at E3 and Quakecon 2014. The fact is that this content was promised to us over a year prior to now and we did not receive it within the original timeframes should make it free for all those players, as a "thank you" for beta testing what was in my opinion a half-finished, unpolished piece of software.

Many of us feel cheated but for myself I do not think I will trust the developers of this game again. And trust is something a business can lose only so many times before they start seeing the impact on the bottom line. I had high hopes for this game, but think more money and effort has been spent on creating media hype than delivering a product that is on schedule, within its original scope, and of a quality so that the product feels polished and has no serious flaws. Perhaps in a few years time I will feel different but for now I am not going to spend any more money on this product; I feel I've spent too much money already for what I've received.

At university in one of my business subjects we learnt that in order to be successful and ensure a good business relationship, it is prudent for big enterprises to provide a certain amount of "goodwill" to their customers. Whether it be something free that they give, or double-your-money back for an defective product or perhaps a special thank-you gift for longstanding and loyal customers, most companies sometimes have to make sacrifices on the bottom line to ensure that the relationship with their customers remains strong, otherwise they might go to their competitors who do. Giving this DLC for free to those players or offering them a significant discount would go a long way into creating trust where previously it was destroyed.

As many of the founding players have moved on to other games due to feeling burnt out with what was on offer for a long time, this would be an excellent move to get them back into the game and perhaps more upbeat about what the future holds for it. As it stands now I get the feeling that many players are bitter about the way things have turned out. It is up to ZOS to turn that feeling around.

But it is! As long as you didn't spend the crowns they gave you as a thank you for every month you subscribed on other stuff, you should have enough to buy the IC.

So they did give it to you for free, they just gave it in the form of Crowns, that you had a choice to spend either on the DLC (which doesn't suit everybody's taste because of the PvP element) or on something else.

If you did the latter, that is your problem, not theirs.

vovus69 · July 2015

Overpriced

Well, now I am more interested in Rift 3.3 which is out today than on this DLC.

Perhaps I am mistaken

Will see.

Tonnopesce · July 2015

Fair

There is still an option: Sub for two months => finish evrything inside the IC and then with the 3000 crowns buy Whrotgar => quit the sub ==> PROFIT

I'm the only one?

mrskinskull · July 2015

Fair

How is this even a question?

People who sub essentially pay monthly for the same thing they already have.

Dlc is paying for actual content.

If they make something good, it sells a bunch and we all win.

If its not good it hurts sales and they are forced to course correct.
The sub payment plan doesn't exert this kind of market pressure on a company.

We vote with our wallets these days.

I also think after a thirty dollar horse, 25 for actual game content is actually a steal.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

This is barely a fair price. I think $20 would be right on the mark to be honest.

Excellent! Because it costs ~$18.18 when buying the right crown pack

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Preyfar · July 2015

Fair

Fair in that it's free if you subscribe. The patch is pretty damn massive if you didn't, so...

jakehargusub17_ESO · July 2015

Fair

It sounds kinda like Darkness Falls from DAoC but with gear that matters. If that's the case, I'd pay much more than $20.

bigbri2k5 · July 2015

Overpriced

For me personally I think it's overpriced. I have less than zero interest in this game's PvP, and the PvE aspect seems relatively minimal, and if the rumours are true will still be limited by PvP.
Maybe if I could simply buy it with cash without having to purchase a ton of extra crowns that I don't want/need I might feel a bit differently
Also for the people saying it's fair because it's cheaper than the $30 mount, please stop. That is the most ridiculous argument imaginable. Being cheaper than something else that's horribly overpriced doesn't automatically make it good value.

Sharee · July 2015

Fair

bigbri2k5 wrote: »

For me personally I think it's overpriced. I have less than zero interest in this game's PvP, and the PvE aspect seems relatively minimal, and if the rumours are true will still be limited by PvP.
Maybe if I could simply buy it with cash without having to purchase a ton of extra crowns that I don't want/need I might feel a bit differently
Also for the people saying it's fair because it's cheaper than the $30 mount, please stop. That is the most ridiculous argument imaginable. Being cheaper than something else that's horribly overpriced doesn't automatically make it good value.

It is true that you cannot buy 2500 crowns, the closest is 3000 which leaves you with 500 you don't need right now.

However, keep in mind that another expansion is planned before the end of the year, and it's the PvE-centric Wrothgar that you most likely will be interested in, being a PvE player, so those 500 crowns won't be completely wasted.

Draxys · July 2015

Overpriced

AlnilamE wrote: »

Parrotbrain wrote: »

This should be free to PC players who subbed until the announcement of B2P or the release of TU. The only reason why so many of us remained subbed to a stagnant game was the carrots they waved on stick at E3 and Quakecon 2014. The fact is that this content was promised to us over a year prior to now and we did not receive it within the original timeframes should make it free for all those players, as a "thank you" for beta testing what was in my opinion a half-finished, unpolished piece of software.

Many of us feel cheated but for myself I do not think I will trust the developers of this game again. And trust is something a business can lose only so many times before they start seeing the impact on the bottom line. I had high hopes for this game, but think more money and effort has been spent on creating media hype than delivering a product that is on schedule, within its original scope, and of a quality so that the product feels polished and has no serious flaws. Perhaps in a few years time I will feel different but for now I am not going to spend any more money on this product; I feel I've spent too much money already for what I've received.

At university in one of my business subjects we learnt that in order to be successful and ensure a good business relationship, it is prudent for big enterprises to provide a certain amount of "goodwill" to their customers. Whether it be something free that they give, or double-your-money back for an defective product or perhaps a special thank-you gift for longstanding and loyal customers, most companies sometimes have to make sacrifices on the bottom line to ensure that the relationship with their customers remains strong, otherwise they might go to their competitors who do. Giving this DLC for free to those players or offering them a significant discount would go a long way into creating trust where previously it was destroyed.

As many of the founding players have moved on to other games due to feeling burnt out with what was on offer for a long time, this would be an excellent move to get them back into the game and perhaps more upbeat about what the future holds for it. As it stands now I get the feeling that many players are bitter about the way things have turned out. It is up to ZOS to turn that feeling around.

But it is! As long as you didn't spend the crowns they gave you as a thank you for every month you subscribed on other stuff, you should have enough to buy the IC.

So they did give it to you for free, they just gave it in the form of Crowns, that you had a choice to spend either on the DLC (which doesn't suit everybody's taste because of the PvP element) or on something else.

If you did the latter, that is your problem, not theirs.

False, they only gave you enough crowns to pay for it if you already had multiple months sub covered. Very few people did that because the game was and is still very broken and unbalanced. The crowns weren't just given out anyway, they had to be paid for in some way. So no matter how you look at it, it certainly is not free, and most definitely overpriced to PC subs who have been around for a long time.