Is the Templar the best end-game healer? (sorc healer here)

UnexpectedSalad · April 2014

I'm just curious if anyone level 40-Veteran ranks knows?

It just seems logical, with templars having a skill tree dedicated to healing, along with the restoration staff tree, that they have more at their disposal, yet, does that make them the best healers?

I decided to throw heaps of points into resto staff because I found I enjoyed healing tons. But am wondering if I'm even going to be viable as a healer with regards to end game dungeons etc.

Shaun98ca2 · April 2014

A lot of Sorcerers believed they were the best healers in the game due to some stupid reason + Dark Exchange.

Templars have VERY good Burst healing bring somebody back from the brink of death rapidly with 1 spell. No other class ingame can come close to this.

The Restro Staff has Healing Ward which IF it hits the target you want it to can be a life saver BUT that's ONE........1 target that gets healed+warded and pray its your desired target as its meant to be casted on targets with really low health to begin with.

But at the same time the Restro staff is in general BUILT around that Ward due to the fact that your not really "healing" people per say but more or less SLOWING down their death in general hopefully giving you more time to get the Ward on them to save their life and the rest of your group members NOT even needing the ward due to getting their HP back faster than they are losing it.

Or that's at least how I look at it as I would really like to make a build based around healing ward.

UnexpectedSalad · April 2014

Cheers for the input. I'm more or less deciding whether I should go ahead and start maining a templar. ("ANY CLASS CAN DO ANY ROLE") so I rolled a sorc healer. But obviously with more healing skills the templar is kinda... well, the healing class.

Shaun98ca2 · April 2014

ummm I wouldn't give up your Sorcerer healer just quite yet. Tamrielfoundry.com I know has some VERY good conversations about Sorcerers vs Templar healers where Sorcerers are tooting their own horns about how they are WAY better than Templars......Do some more research find out what made everybody think Sorcerers were so great I think it was Surge or something that increases Weapon Damage don't quote me on that cause im sure im wrong but I know Sorcerers felt they had SOMETHING very strong they were bringing to the table.

Be nice if one of those guys would post for you.

Shaun98ca2 · April 2014

Try to see if this helps you make your decision. FYI comments made AGAINST Templar Magicka issues are GREATLY over exaggerated but YES we have a complete lack of ACTIVE Magicka management other than holding onto a Restro Staff. Check this link out see if it helps give some wisdom on Templar vs Sorcerer.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/templar-vs-sorcerer-healing-in-pve/

SexyVette07 · April 2014

Two reasons why sorcerer healers are so highly regarded, critical surge and dark exchange. Critical surge buffs the power of all your healing spells, and dark exchange gives you nearly limitless mana as long as you arent reckless with your mana pool.

Omniphonic · April 2014

pretty sure NB is the best. I know it's not sorc. comparing Surge to Siphoning Strikes as far as usefulness to a healing class is a bad joke, really, come on. infinite mana vs. a little boost in damage?

plus you have stealth, the leeching blade that heals two allies, and other support skills like spirits and path that add far more versatility than any other healing class can accomplish.

I didn't see any reason to play a Templar healer, looking at the numbers compared to just using a resto staff. I'm sure I'll get around to it, but... one of the main concerns of playing healer is juggling aggro, and straight up no other class is going to be able to match NB on that. the path, stealth, the self-heals, doing as much dps as a dps while keeping up 3 heals constantly thanks to siphoning, plus and AOE ult that shreds the crap out of everything and makes you nearly invincible.

my hat for best healer is tossed firmly into the NB ring. I buried my dps NB at 24 to start a healer because I couldn't not see how much better it would be.

malais · April 2014

From what I've seen a vampire Templar has just about the best burst healing you can get. Mod your armor for fire resist drop runic ward (the Templar shield) and fire isn't much of an issue.

Feidam · April 2014

Sorc healers are just fine. Just depends on how you build them. My Templar feels like a more versatile healer able to burst a bit more but at higher magicka cost. My sorc heals are consistent and spammable with dark conversion. I take the power surge morph over the crit surge morph. The higher up time on the buff way more important to resto staff.

Sleepwalker · April 2014

UnexpectedSalad wrote: »

But obviously with more healing skills the templar is kinda... well, the healing class.

Ah, the common misconception that I continuously have to talk about here... TL:DR version is in bold text.

Here's the thing. Healing, as well as every other role on this game, is about resource management. Having ten heals (or damage mitigation techniques - and yes, the ward counts...) on your bars does not, in any way, shape, or form, make you a better healer than someone with five. That's just silly. Would a tank with ten taunts be the best? No, he'd die... a lot! Would a dps with ten hard-hitting, "holy sh*t that hurt" techniques be the best DPS? No, he'd die... a lot!. If there is a healer on this game that hits ten buttons (specifically, five from the Restoring light tree and five from the restoration staff tree) while healing a group, please step forward and give me a good reason why you do that. Your magicka and magicka regen are limited. Also, there is no CC nor damage skills on either of those trees. I'm telling you now, if you're doing this, your world will be crumbling at any moment because... ready? Wait for it... you are, in fact, not a good healer...

Now, I may be a little biased towards NB healers, seeing as how I am one, but I favor them as the best. Granted, no veteran content for me yet, but I still hear good things from those that are there. For content in general though, contrary to the hypothetical Templar that we were speaking about above, I can heal with four resto staff skills and two nightblade skills (Funnel Health and Sap Essence), CC if necessary (Agony, Cripple, or arguably Shadow Cloak as it tends to "stun", so to speak), while simultaneously dealing single target and AoE DPS (Funnel Health, Sap Essence, Refreshing Path). That's additional group utility and damage mitigation on the same hotbars using the same resource while also using the resto staff for the same mana regen and passive heals that he's getting. That ten-heal-button Templar just got owned... horribly.

Are Templars good healers? Yep! Are they the best? Arguable, sure, but I say no, not even close... and even if they were, it would not be because they have a healing tree built into them.

Side note: Sorc healing - I haven't tried it yet, but as masters of resources (and as I've said, healing is about resource management), Sorcerors may be at the top... I have a baby sorc in the making, so I'd be more than happy to share my experiences at a later date. For now, I'd say, get in a group with a good one and see what they can do before judging them...

Cherubael · July 2015

The whole point of a having that said 10 healing skills is not to use them all BUT to know when to use them skills that in itself is apart of the magika resourse management you are on about.

Also have you taken in to account the moprh skills for the templar? i know i have 2 different heals that vary in magika cost quite alot plus the HOT spells we have it takes alot of skill to know when to heal what heal to use or if to use HOT spells i think the Templar is a great healing class to play varied with alot of different options to how you heal.

PBpsy · July 2015

The only valid answer is: Yes Templar healers are the best healers in the game at any level by quite a large margin.

All the other blabber about sorcs, NBs, Dks being able to heal everything does not change that fact.
The difference is this:
A decent Templar healer will be able to carry a mediocre and even a lousy group with their heals trough most end game pve content.They will do that while doing decent damage and adding a lot of utility also.
A great healer of another class will be able to keep a good/great group alive trough all end game pve content. They will probably do less damage and provide less utility while doing that though.

Lord Xanhorn · July 2015

Agreed with most ppl here. Templars are in their own class when it comes to healing. Truth is, you dont need high critical % or high spell power or even high magicka regen while healing in this game. Sure those are nice but I can heal a Vet COA run at V1 with 10% crit, 20k magicka, 20k health, and crap spell power as a templar. So all the benefits that you can get as a sorc are simply not really needed. However when you need a burst heal which you often do, the templar is the only one who can fill that need. There's just no debate.

I think the other classes get butt hurt when you say that they aren't as good as a Templar cause they think you are saying, it can't be done. It can and is done on a wide scale and its fine. Content can be healed by any class for sure. But if the question is, "Is the templar the best healer in the game?" the answer is undeniably yes.

WyldfireWyrm · July 2015

UnexpectedSalad wrote: »

Cheers for the input. I'm more or less deciding whether I should go ahead and start maining a templar. ("ANY CLASS CAN DO ANY ROLE") so I rolled a sorc healer. But obviously with more healing skills the templar is kinda... well, the healing class.

Templar is the easiest and most efficient class to heal with. There are plenty of other players who main DK, NB or Sorc healers just fine, but those builds require more skill and synergy between abilities than Templars do.

IME, the list of best to worst healers goes something like this:
- Templar
- NB
- DK
- Sorc

Templar has 6 or more class abilities that either heal or directly effect your heals. Nightblade has 3 or 4, DK has 1 and Sorc has none.

Templar is definitely "the healing class".Resto staff has a direct heal abllity with Mutagen, which is apparently bugged and only has a direct heal when cast on a target under 20% health (or so I've read). The current lack of a panic button heal gives Templar the clear win in the healing department. If Mutagen worked as intended or a different direct heal ability were added to the resto staff line, then other classes could definitely be more competitive healers.

The "be any class and play any role" line is true, but with the stipulation that some classes are going to be better at certain things than others. For instance, IMO:

- Templar is clearly designed to be a healer with a secondary role of tanking
- DK is clearly designed as a tank with a secondary role of DPS
- NB is a DPS design with a secondary healer role
- Sorc is a DPS design with an unclear secondary tank role