Speaking for only myself, I liked having to work for the dye colors I wanted. I really enjoy those little moments of feeling like I accomplished something. If others rather buy the dyes, I don't see a problem with it.

Can I have my sweetroll now?

Halke wrote: »

I just wish we had a way to trade dyed gear. That is the big one for me. I RP and lead an RP guild that has a uniform. You know how limiting the dye system makes that? It is absurd. It is bad enough that to make sure everyone looks the same we have to use level one gear for the armor, but we also have to use sub-par colors to make sure everyone has them unlocked or we can easily get them for people.

That has bothered me since I saw that basic colors were "locked", and any item using those colors couldn't be traded.

With logic like that shouldn't any armor using a "locked" trait not be able to be traded as well?

It would be very nice if "bound" gear could at least be given to guildmates.
Making a Guild Armourer a very real thing.


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Tholian1 wrote: »

Speaking for only myself, I liked having to work for the dye colors I wanted. I really enjoy those little moments of feeling like I accomplished something. If others rather buy the dyes, I don't see a problem with it.

Can I have my sweetroll now?

When I see that I've gotten an achievement (note, "gotten" not "earned") I'm like, "Oh cool!" And I feel the same even when it's one that, like most of them, doesn't give you anything at all. I think they SHOULD all have some sort of neato little thing associated with them but whether they do or not I get zero "sense of accomplishment" over them.

But yes, since you are not an unreasonable schmuck... you get a sweetroll! LOL Give me your ingame handle and I'll even make some for you and ACTUALLY send them! LOL

I like the way they bring the colors in the game. I think there should be no change. If you want a dye, than "work" for it. And if it has to be the imperial red, well you should think about if you really want it that bad. If so: go for it!

Ace-2112 wrote: »

Halke wrote: »

I just wish we had a way to trade dyed gear. That is the big one for me. I RP and lead an RP guild that has a uniform. You know how limiting the dye system makes that? It is absurd. It is bad enough that to make sure everyone looks the same we have to use level one gear for the armor, but we also have to use sub-par colors to make sure everyone has them unlocked or we can easily get them for people.

That has bothered me since I saw that basic colors were "locked", and any item using those colors couldn't be traded.

With logic like that shouldn't any armor using a "locked" trait not be able to be traded as well?

It would be very nice if "bound" gear could at least be given to guildmates.
Making a Guild Armourer a very real thing.


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Holy curse words that is an awesome idea. We have an arena guild, and there are characters who are just craftsmen both in and out of character. How bloody awesome would it be to go to them, get your stuff, and get it the right colors instead of having to run to a dye station in the middle of RP.

tmacdec wrote: »

Right now the only thing linked to achievements are the dyes. You want that cool dye play the game. People keep complaining about lack of content then in the same breath don't want to be bothered playing the game to receive their dyes

Agreeing so hard it hurts right now, bless you! :'(

im with MornaBaine on this one. dyes should never have been tied to achevements, especialy after they took everything colourfull from the lvl 1-50 armour and left everyone with puke green, bile yellow and dungheap brown till you managed to get to vr+

when we first saw the sackcloth gear they swapped the 1-50 stuff to, i sugested they should have given the vr+ stuff better looking (ie more bling up, more intricate stuff like adding textures and lace and velvet to the stuff) while letting the peasants and churls get the basic matt stuff but again, everyone was so hot to yell we mere filthy mortals didnt deserve to look good, that lvl 1-50 was the training game for everyone (its not, by the way. for a good section of the game, 1-50 is part of the game. especialy those of us that hate/suck donkeys at PvP)

then when we learned that dyes were going to be tied to achevements, i again, sugested that the best dyes be metalic or glittery, so that basic decent matt dyes could be used by everyone. but again, the same voices get pissed that decent colours are available to those who (usualy) dont pvp. do you realy want total utter noobs at pvp so very damn badly, that you are willing to let them take valuable spots from those who can actualy pvp, so you can steamroller them?

so i say, lets replace all the good dyes that are tied to pvp achevements with something better than just colours. (while i admit its fair to leave the emperor red and legate black in as named thus, others of the same colour should be added that have bland boring names, and those who got those shades should also get the new replacement stuff as recompence)
lets add glows. lets add truly metalic dyes. dyes that can be used to make anything shine.lets add glitter and fabric like velvet as dyes (overlays methinks) and auras that can be toggled on and off. because THOSE are much easier to recognise, especialy for those who are a) colourblind b) crappy monitors and c) crappy graphics cards that need to be run on low settings.
it should be easy to see who has done stuff. not by colours but by the difference of things like this.
imagine being able to add a glow to your shield or sword because you had certain achevements in pvp. or a glow to your eyes because you made it to top vamp/warewoof. a glow to your staff for making it thru the mages guild quests. a summoned silver crossbow for the warriors. summoned pets. summoned boons by say, saints and similar.
add things that are usefull, like the old RAID food tables for pvp. im sure a buff table of chow would be more usefull than a dye to people.

dyes are something that in many games, are integral to its enjoyment for everyone. they should allways be available for everyone. if you *must* have seperation then make them into harder to find/buy in game (like in guildwars2 ect)
its much much better to give usefull and/or more highly useable things like gear, titald, auras/glows and trinkets for being good at pvp stuff.

wouldnt you rahter have a toggleable aura that allows you to look like a saint, a ghost or have red glowing eyes for your master vampire, than just a colour you can use?

rayeab16_ESO wrote: »

im with MornaBaine on this one. dyes should never have been tied to achevements, especialy after they took everything colourfull from the lvl 1-50 armour and left everyone with puke green, bile yellow and dungheap brown till you managed to get to vr+

when we first saw the sackcloth gear they swapped the 1-50 stuff to, i sugested they should have given the vr+ stuff better looking (ie more bling up, more intricate stuff like adding textures and lace and velvet to the stuff) while letting the peasants and churls get the basic matt stuff but again, everyone was so hot to yell we mere filthy mortals didnt deserve to look good, that lvl 1-50 was the training game for everyone (its not, by the way. for a good section of the game, 1-50 is part of the game. especialy those of us that hate/suck donkeys at PvP)

then when we learned that dyes were going to be tied to achevements, i again, sugested that the best dyes be metalic or glittery, so that basic decent matt dyes could be used by everyone. but again, the same voices get pissed that decent colours are available to those who (usualy) dont pvp. do you realy want total utter noobs at pvp so very damn badly, that you are willing to let them take valuable spots from those who can actualy pvp, so you can steamroller them?

so i say, lets replace all the good dyes that are tied to pvp achevements with something better than just colours. (while i admit its fair to leave the emperor red and legate black in as named thus, others of the same colour should be added that have bland boring names, and those who got those shades should also get the new replacement stuff as recompence)
lets add glows. lets add truly metalic dyes. dyes that can be used to make anything shine.lets add glitter and fabric like velvet as dyes (overlays methinks) and auras that can be toggled on and off. because THOSE are much easier to recognise, especialy for those who are a) colourblind b) crappy monitors and c) crappy graphics cards that need to be run on low settings.
it should be easy to see who has done stuff. not by colours but by the difference of things like this.
imagine being able to add a glow to your shield or sword because you had certain achevements in pvp. or a glow to your eyes because you made it to top vamp/warewoof. a glow to your staff for making it thru the mages guild quests. a summoned silver crossbow for the warriors. summoned pets. summoned boons by say, saints and similar.
add things that are usefull, like the old RAID food tables for pvp. im sure a buff table of chow would be more usefull than a dye to people.

dyes are something that in many games, are integral to its enjoyment for everyone. they should allways be available for everyone. if you *must* have seperation then make them into harder to find/buy in game (like in guildwars2 ect)
its much much better to give usefull and/or more highly useable things like gear, titald, auras/glows and trinkets for being good at pvp stuff.

wouldnt you rahter have a toggleable aura that allows you to look like a saint, a ghost or have red glowing eyes for your master vampire, than just a colour you can use?

I'm sure you're about to get a ton of flak for this post but I do find it surprising that no one has really stopped to think about what they might like even BETTER than dyes as PvP rewards.

I also find it kind of telling that all the objectors so far have been PvPers as well. I'm unlikely to get some of the awesome colors associated with Trials also yet I've not seen a single person who has the dyes associated with that content pop in here and go, "No! You no can haz! Iz all MINE!" LOL

MornaBaine wrote: »

rayeab16_ESO wrote: »

im with MornaBaine on this one. dyes should never have been tied to achevements, especialy after they took everything colourfull from the lvl 1-50 armour and left everyone with puke green, bile yellow and dungheap brown till you managed to get to vr+

when we first saw the sackcloth gear they swapped the 1-50 stuff to, i sugested they should have given the vr+ stuff better looking (ie more bling up, more intricate stuff like adding textures and lace and velvet to the stuff) while letting the peasants and churls get the basic matt stuff but again, everyone was so hot to yell we mere filthy mortals didnt deserve to look good, that lvl 1-50 was the training game for everyone (its not, by the way. for a good section of the game, 1-50 is part of the game. especialy those of us that hate/suck donkeys at PvP)

then when we learned that dyes were going to be tied to achevements, i again, sugested that the best dyes be metalic or glittery, so that basic decent matt dyes could be used by everyone. but again, the same voices get pissed that decent colours are available to those who (usualy) dont pvp. do you realy want total utter noobs at pvp so very damn badly, that you are willing to let them take valuable spots from those who can actualy pvp, so you can steamroller them?

so i say, lets replace all the good dyes that are tied to pvp achevements with something better than just colours. (while i admit its fair to leave the emperor red and legate black in as named thus, others of the same colour should be added that have bland boring names, and those who got those shades should also get the new replacement stuff as recompence)
lets add glows. lets add truly metalic dyes. dyes that can be used to make anything shine.lets add glitter and fabric like velvet as dyes (overlays methinks) and auras that can be toggled on and off. because THOSE are much easier to recognise, especialy for those who are a) colourblind b) crappy monitors and c) crappy graphics cards that need to be run on low settings.
it should be easy to see who has done stuff. not by colours but by the difference of things like this.
imagine being able to add a glow to your shield or sword because you had certain achevements in pvp. or a glow to your eyes because you made it to top vamp/warewoof. a glow to your staff for making it thru the mages guild quests. a summoned silver crossbow for the warriors. summoned pets. summoned boons by say, saints and similar.
add things that are usefull, like the old RAID food tables for pvp. im sure a buff table of chow would be more usefull than a dye to people.

dyes are something that in many games, are integral to its enjoyment for everyone. they should allways be available for everyone. if you *must* have seperation then make them into harder to find/buy in game (like in guildwars2 ect)
its much much better to give usefull and/or more highly useable things like gear, titald, auras/glows and trinkets for being good at pvp stuff.

wouldnt you rahter have a toggleable aura that allows you to look like a saint, a ghost or have red glowing eyes for your master vampire, than just a colour you can use?

I'm sure you're about to get a ton of flak for this post but I do find it surprising that no one has really stopped to think about what they might like even BETTER than dyes as PvP rewards.

I also find it kind of telling that all the objectors so far have been PvPers as well. I'm unlikely to get some of the awesome colors associated with Trials also yet I've not seen a single person who has the dyes associated with that content pop in here and go, "No! You no can haz! Iz all MINE!" LOL

Personally, as far as PVP dyes go, I could care less. Yes, I do PVP, quite a lot lately, but for me, I'm happy with the colors I have now and nothing in the PVP colors matters that much to me. I'm sure most people would rather have some gold gear than a dye color anyway.

BUT, since I spent the time going after and getting the colors I do have, if suddenly they, or similar, colors were available for cash, I would be one very unhappy camper.

jkemmery wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

FelixTheCatt wrote: »

Why would anyone feel superior to another over the color of their gear? Really?

Wow. lol

Must be something else I just don't get I guess.

It's not a matter of feeling superior. It's a game. Put in your time and you will get there. It's just a way to say to the rest of the community that you are an experienced player. Due to my armor, many players will often ask me for advice, or help. It's nice to be shown respect. I don't look down on others who haven't played as much, but it's nice to be instantly recognized for the experience you have.

But you are talking about me "putting in time" in the one aspect of the game I really don't like. And the hours involved in getting the 2 colors I'm mostly talking about here...unreal. No way will I play ANY game that long, let alone playing the part of it I actively dislike! LOL

Well that sucks for you, but you don't get any sympathy from me. I will probably stop playing the game if they start adding colors to the crown store, it would tick me off that much.

The epeen is strong in this one, eh? Seriously, if people didn't know to treat you specially because of the color of your armor you'd miss that approbation so much you'd rage quit? You seem like a pretty smart guy...surely you have some real achievements in your life to feel good about? What would make you "need" this so badly that you'd deprive yourself of what I assume must be an enjoyable activity for you if you weren't recognized instantly for the time you've put into it? I'm not trying to troll you man, I'm genuinely curious about this mindset I see so often in the PvP community.

Well first of all, I have no Khajit or Argonian characters ...

It would feel like ZOS pulled the rug out from under me. For me, a huge inspiration to keep playing early on in the game was seeing all the cool looking armor that the veteran players had and thinking, "I want that too". Sure, it might be shallow, but that was seriously an inspiration for me. If they just went and started selling colors in the crown store, it would feel like a betrayal to me. When something that I spent time "working" toward and earned is now just another item to buy in the cash shop, it would be THE signal that it's time to jump ship.

And there's no reward that you would feel was comparable and would compensate for us mere plebs getting to look pretty too?

MornaBaine wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

FelixTheCatt wrote: »

Why would anyone feel superior to another over the color of their gear? Really?

Wow. lol

Must be something else I just don't get I guess.

It's not a matter of feeling superior. It's a game. Put in your time and you will get there. It's just a way to say to the rest of the community that you are an experienced player. Due to my armor, many players will often ask me for advice, or help. It's nice to be shown respect. I don't look down on others who haven't played as much, but it's nice to be instantly recognized for the experience you have.

But you are talking about me "putting in time" in the one aspect of the game I really don't like. And the hours involved in getting the 2 colors I'm mostly talking about here...unreal. No way will I play ANY game that long, let alone playing the part of it I actively dislike! LOL

Well that sucks for you, but you don't get any sympathy from me. I will probably stop playing the game if they start adding colors to the crown store, it would tick me off that much.

The epeen is strong in this one, eh? Seriously, if people didn't know to treat you specially because of the color of your armor you'd miss that approbation so much you'd rage quit? You seem like a pretty smart guy...surely you have some real achievements in your life to feel good about? What would make you "need" this so badly that you'd deprive yourself of what I assume must be an enjoyable activity for you if you weren't recognized instantly for the time you've put into it? I'm not trying to troll you man, I'm genuinely curious about this mindset I see so often in the PvP community.

Well first of all, I have no Khajit or Argonian characters ...

It would feel like ZOS pulled the rug out from under me. For me, a huge inspiration to keep playing early on in the game was seeing all the cool looking armor that the veteran players had and thinking, "I want that too". Sure, it might be shallow, but that was seriously an inspiration for me. If they just went and started selling colors in the crown store, it would feel like a betrayal to me. When something that I spent time "working" toward and earned is now just another item to buy in the cash shop, it would be THE signal that it's time to jump ship.

And there's no reward that you would feel was comparable and would compensate for us mere plebs getting to look pretty too?

Maybe a unique armor motif, but from the development standpoint, that's a whole lot more work than a simple color. But even that does not really offer as much customization as having a fresh color to add to your palate whenever you achieve something.

jkemmery wrote: »

@MornaBaine

Do you want the colors for role play?

My suggestion for that is to have a separate role play instance of each zone. It would be just a blank zone with no PVE and you could dye your clothes in that zone whatever color you wanted. If someone griefed you in that zone, you could have them banned from it, so that your role play zone was left just for you role players.

Once you come back to the PVE/PVP instance, your armor goes back to what it was before, and the color palate reflects accomplishments, like everyone else.

What would you say to that as a suggestion?

Considering I have BEGGED for such instances on bended knee? Yeah, I'd be down with that.

Nestor wrote: »

However I would not want a dye I did not earn. Paying for the dye is not earning it.

Then don't pay for it. I know I won't. Though I don't have some false sense of pride in my decision to not buy dyes. I simply don't have that kind of disposable income. Even if I did I'm not sure armor are something I'd fancy buying.

Bones_PXOXM wrote: »

Let's also add vampire bites, werewolf bites, skill points, extra attributes, auto quest completion tokens, and god mode to the crown store. Sorry I know what you mentioned was a cosmetic option but seriously a lot of people seem obsessed with what could be added to the crown store and while this isn't the worst most of the suggestions are quite on the cheezy side. Besides why do you want to pay really money to color your armor in a game where half your skills are bugged out, quests are broken, PVP is a hot mess, people are lagging out for literally no reason, and there's already an option to do it for free, you just have to EARN it, scary as that is. So no I don't advocate being able to unlock everything through the use of real money, I think motif books and riding lessons on the crown store are already bad enough.

Really...Can you tell me which dye increases my weapon damage? I'm trying to complete my build.

Don't acknowledge that the comparison is ridiculous but leave it there anyway.

I just have one thing to say. Where's the god damned glass armour??? :'(

Farorin wrote: »

Having them in the crown store would be even less reason to even try to get the achievements. I mainly am interested in achievements only when they have a reward associated with them.

I think EVERY achievement should have an award associated with it. But they shouldn't be dyes. Titles, trinkets with fun effects, costumes, THESE should be the achievement awards. If the only reward you are ever going to get is going to be dyes then every single achievement should have a dye.