Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »There probably aren't many colors left that aren't already part of the dye system. Even if they did add some to the crown store that are different, the difference would hardly be noticeable. Who's going to notice anyway. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a player walking by and thought to myself, hey I think that guy is wearing Cold Harbour Ash Black, sure wish I had that dye...
MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
The whole dye thing is about having a feeling of superiority against other players. If it was solely about personal accomplishment then you would still feel accomplished after the feat was achieved, regardless of whether or not there was a reward attached.
Getting emperor, when not swapping and not transferring to console in order to take advantage, is a pretty big achievement. Whether or not a dye came with it shouldn't affect any feeling of accomplishment.
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
But they are both very close to existing colors. Cold Harbor Ash Black(finish main quest line) is virtually indistinguishable from Legates Black, and Ruby Throne (Emperor's) Red is darn close to Pact Blood Red which you get for finishing the majority of EP quests. If you are in EP you could get both of these colors before you even hit VR1.
MornaBaine wrote: »The whole dye thing is about having a feeling of superiority against other players. If it was solely about personal accomplishment then you would still feel accomplished after the feat was achieved, regardless of whether or not there was a reward attached.
Getting emperor, when not swapping and not transferring to console in order to take advantage, is a pretty big achievement. Whether or not a dye came with it shouldn't affect any feeling of accomplishment.
This right here. ^^ Basically every objection I've heard boils down to, "But if someone else can have it no one will no how special I am and I can't rub their noses in it!" I'm personally more than a little appalled by that attitude. People are taking game "achievements" wayyyy too seriously. If you're a black belt in karate, yeah, you get to wear that black belt and the guy who is only a green belt just gets to wear the green belt. The guy in the black belt ACTUALLY worked for that! Those of us all sitting in nice comfy computer chairs and pushing buttons a little differently from each other...not so much.
MornaBaine wrote: »The whole dye thing is about having a feeling of superiority against other players. If it was solely about personal accomplishment then you would still feel accomplished after the feat was achieved, regardless of whether or not there was a reward attached.
Getting emperor, when not swapping and not transferring to console in order to take advantage, is a pretty big achievement. Whether or not a dye came with it shouldn't affect any feeling of accomplishment.
This right here. ^^ Basically every objection I've heard boils down to, "But if someone else can have it no one will no how special I am and I can't rub their noses in it!" I'm personally more than a little appalled by that attitude. People are taking game "achievements" wayyyy too seriously. If you're a black belt in karate, yeah, you get to wear that black belt and the guy who is only a green belt just gets to wear the green belt. The guy in the black belt ACTUALLY worked for that! Those of us all sitting in nice comfy computer chairs and pushing buttons a little differently from each other...not so much.
MornaBaine wrote: »The whole dye thing is about having a feeling of superiority against other players. If it was solely about personal accomplishment then you would still feel accomplished after the feat was achieved, regardless of whether or not there was a reward attached.
Getting emperor, when not swapping and not transferring to console in order to take advantage, is a pretty big achievement. Whether or not a dye came with it shouldn't affect any feeling of accomplishment.
This right here. ^^ Basically every objection I've heard boils down to, "But if someone else can have it no one will no how special I am and I can't rub their noses in it!" I'm personally more than a little appalled by that attitude. People are taking game "achievements" wayyyy too seriously. If you're a black belt in karate, yeah, you get to wear that black belt and the guy who is only a green belt just gets to wear the green belt. The guy in the black belt ACTUALLY worked for that! Those of us all sitting in nice comfy computer chairs and pushing buttons a little differently from each other...not so much.
The implication being that ESO players don't ACTUALLY work for their accomplishments? SMH
Look, play the game. Do quests, learn things and spend time playing. Your dye rainbow will be more expansive than you know what to do with before you know it.
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »The whole dye thing is about having a feeling of superiority against other players. If it was solely about personal accomplishment then you would still feel accomplished after the feat was achieved, regardless of whether or not there was a reward attached.
Getting emperor, when not swapping and not transferring to console in order to take advantage, is a pretty big achievement. Whether or not a dye came with it shouldn't affect any feeling of accomplishment.
This right here. ^^ Basically every objection I've heard boils down to, "But if someone else can have it no one will no how special I am and I can't rub their noses in it!" I'm personally more than a little appalled by that attitude. People are taking game "achievements" wayyyy too seriously. If you're a black belt in karate, yeah, you get to wear that black belt and the guy who is only a green belt just gets to wear the green belt. The guy in the black belt ACTUALLY worked for that! Those of us all sitting in nice comfy computer chairs and pushing buttons a little differently from each other...not so much.
The implication being that ESO players don't ACTUALLY work for their accomplishments? SMH
Look, play the game. Do quests, learn things and spend time playing. Your dye rainbow will be more expansive than you know what to do with before you know it.
Strangely, I do NOT equate sitting in a chair pushing buttons for fun to actually be any work at all. MMOs are more like interactive movies. Super fun, but NOT any kind of real work. So to be so unduly proud of "accomplishments" gotten in a computer game that you'd gladly keep them from anyone else is just baffling to me. When I did well in a tournament I had the bruises to prove it. LOL Ditto racing horses and dirtbikes. Playing games in my comfy chair now that I'm middle aged and my body no longer takes those pursuits so lightly I see for exactly what it is...goofing off.I don't think I deserve a trophy for it.
I'm more for not putting it in the crown store. My reason is that it just gives some people something, however minor like dyes, to strive for. That PvP Legate Black dye? Go PvP to get it (I am a PvE most times, so it's something to achieve for once I finish all PvE content).
But then again, just my opinion. Good idea though.
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
But they are both very close to existing colors. Cold Harbor Ash Black(finish main quest line) is virtually indistinguishable from Legates Black, and Ruby Throne (Emperor's) Red is darn close to Pact Blood Red which you get for finishing the majority of EP quests. If you are in EP you could get both of these colors before you even hit VR1.
First, there is a world of difference between those 2 blacks. Coldharbor is an ash black and is dull. Legate's is a true blue-black and its gorgeous. Second, I'm not in EP but I've never seen a red anywhere NEAR as vibrant as the Emperor red.
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
But they are both very close to existing colors. Cold Harbor Ash Black(finish main quest line) is virtually indistinguishable from Legates Black, and Ruby Throne (Emperor's) Red is darn close to Pact Blood Red which you get for finishing the majority of EP quests. If you are in EP you could get both of these colors before you even hit VR1.
First, there is a world of difference between those 2 blacks. Coldharbor is an ash black and is dull. Legate's is a true blue-black and its gorgeous. Second, I'm not in EP but I've never seen a red anywhere NEAR as vibrant as the Emperor red.
Have you actually seen someone wearing Legate Black? Because the colours don't look the same on the palette as they do on your actual clothes.
And I think Regicide Red is quite close to the Emperor Red is it not?
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
But they are both very close to existing colors. Cold Harbor Ash Black(finish main quest line) is virtually indistinguishable from Legates Black, and Ruby Throne (Emperor's) Red is darn close to Pact Blood Red which you get for finishing the majority of EP quests. If you are in EP you could get both of these colors before you even hit VR1.
First, there is a world of difference between those 2 blacks. Coldharbor is an ash black and is dull. Legate's is a true blue-black and its gorgeous. Second, I'm not in EP but I've never seen a red anywhere NEAR as vibrant as the Emperor red.
Have you actually seen someone wearing Legate Black? Because the colours don't look the same on the palette as they do on your actual clothes.
And I think Regicide Red is quite close to the Emperor Red is it not?
Yeah I've seen the actual Legate's on one character. It looks amazing and is worlds away from the Coldharbor, which I have. Regicide is a darker red than the Emperor and would STILL require me to get heavily into PvP.
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
Maybe dyes should not have been tied to the achievement system. But as long as they are, the difficult achievements should not have their dyes sold for cash.
MornaBaine wrote: »Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
Maybe dyes should not have been tied to the achievement system. But as long as they are, the difficult achievements should not have their dyes sold for cash.
So even if you got to keep the dyes you have AND got better rewards to replace them with... you'd be against letting anyone else have them? Why?
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
But they are both very close to existing colors. Cold Harbor Ash Black(finish main quest line) is virtually indistinguishable from Legates Black, and Ruby Throne (Emperor's) Red is darn close to Pact Blood Red which you get for finishing the majority of EP quests. If you are in EP you could get both of these colors before you even hit VR1.
First, there is a world of difference between those 2 blacks. Coldharbor is an ash black and is dull. Legate's is a true blue-black and its gorgeous. Second, I'm not in EP but I've never seen a red anywhere NEAR as vibrant as the Emperor red.
Have you actually seen someone wearing Legate Black? Because the colours don't look the same on the palette as they do on your actual clothes.
And I think Regicide Red is quite close to the Emperor Red is it not?
Yeah I've seen the actual Legate's on one character. It looks amazing and is worlds away from the Coldharbor, which I have. Regicide is a darker red than the Emperor and would STILL require me to get heavily into PvP.
What kind of video card do you have? Because on my GTX 960 and Visio 47" HDTV, I can't tell them apart.
MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Dyes aren't hard to get. Just play the game!
All of the colors I want are PvP achievements...and I really hate PvP in this game. If they had the same colors for the more difficult PvE achievements I MIGHT be okay with that but I still think dyes should never have been used this way in the first place.
And you're entitled to that opinion. Regrettably for you however is the fact that the vast majority of players do not share it. What PvP only dye do you wish to achieve? I'm sure there is a similar dye for your somewhere in the spectrum.
Legate's Black and, of course, the Emperor's red. Nope, never going to see either one of them.
But they are both very close to existing colors. Cold Harbor Ash Black(finish main quest line) is virtually indistinguishable from Legates Black, and Ruby Throne (Emperor's) Red is darn close to Pact Blood Red which you get for finishing the majority of EP quests. If you are in EP you could get both of these colors before you even hit VR1.
First, there is a world of difference between those 2 blacks. Coldharbor is an ash black and is dull. Legate's is a true blue-black and its gorgeous. Second, I'm not in EP but I've never seen a red anywhere NEAR as vibrant as the Emperor red.
Have you actually seen someone wearing Legate Black? Because the colours don't look the same on the palette as they do on your actual clothes.
And I think Regicide Red is quite close to the Emperor Red is it not?
Yeah I've seen the actual Legate's on one character. It looks amazing and is worlds away from the Coldharbor, which I have. Regicide is a darker red than the Emperor and would STILL require me to get heavily into PvP.
What kind of video card do you have? Because on my GTX 960 and Visio 47" HDTV, I can't tell them apart.
I don't recall mine off the top of my head but it is a newer one and my graphics are awesome on high settings on my 29 inch monitor. Slight color blindness is common in men however.
FelixTheCatt wrote: »Why would anyone feel superior to another over the color of their gear? Really?
Wow. lol
Must be something else I just don't get I guess.
FelixTheCatt wrote: »Why would anyone feel superior to another over the color of their gear? Really?
Wow. lol
Must be something else I just don't get I guess.
It's not a matter of feeling superior. It's a game. Put in your time and you will get there. It's just a way to say to the rest of the community that you are an experienced player. Due to my armor, many players will often ask me for advice, or help. It's nice to be shown respect. I don't look down on others who haven't played as much, but it's nice to be instantly recognized for the experience you have.
MornaBaine wrote: »FelixTheCatt wrote: »Why would anyone feel superior to another over the color of their gear? Really?
Wow. lol
Must be something else I just don't get I guess.
It's not a matter of feeling superior. It's a game. Put in your time and you will get there. It's just a way to say to the rest of the community that you are an experienced player. Due to my armor, many players will often ask me for advice, or help. It's nice to be shown respect. I don't look down on others who haven't played as much, but it's nice to be instantly recognized for the experience you have.
But you are talking about me "putting in time" in the one aspect of the game I really don't like. And the hours involved in getting the 2 colors I'm mostly talking about here...unreal. No way will I play ANY game that long, let alone playing the part of it I actively dislike! LOL
MornaBaine wrote: »FelixTheCatt wrote: »Why would anyone feel superior to another over the color of their gear? Really?
Wow. lol
Must be something else I just don't get I guess.
It's not a matter of feeling superior. It's a game. Put in your time and you will get there. It's just a way to say to the rest of the community that you are an experienced player. Due to my armor, many players will often ask me for advice, or help. It's nice to be shown respect. I don't look down on others who haven't played as much, but it's nice to be instantly recognized for the experience you have.
But you are talking about me "putting in time" in the one aspect of the game I really don't like. And the hours involved in getting the 2 colors I'm mostly talking about here...unreal. No way will I play ANY game that long, let alone playing the part of it I actively dislike! LOL
Well that sucks for you, but you don't get any sympathy from me. I will probably stop playing the game if they start adding colors to the crown store, it would tick me off that much.
I just wish we had a way to trade dyed gear. That is the big one for me. I RP and lead an RP guild that has a uniform. You know how limiting the dye system makes that? It is absurd. It is bad enough that to make sure everyone looks the same we have to use level one gear for the armor, but we also have to use sub-par colors to make sure everyone has them unlocked or we can easily get them for people.