I find the whole werewolf.vampire thing entirely irrelevant so see no need for ZOS to devote a single developer-second fiddling with them when I've not had any new playable content for a year: and no, these transforms aren't playable content to me.

I'm confused as to how the toggle could work. If it's similar to lightning form from the the sorc line, you'd still have to have ultimate to use it and it would still only benefit more from having more ultimate stored i.e. how it works now.

If it's a straight up toggle where you can be in wolf form indefinitely, then the devs would need to change some skills and passives so that wolf form wouldn't be too OP. I understand wolf form duration is too short to use it strategically, but there needs to be a limit or some form of balance associated with an unlimited beast form build.

I'm just going to assume anybody who is saying don't change anything at all hasn't every played Werewolf, or doesn't want Werewolves to be viable, for whatever reason. (Vamps probably.)

Can anyone who voted that way elaborate?

KerinKor wrote: »

I find the whole werewolf.vampire thing entirely irrelevant so see no need for ZOS to devote a single developer-second fiddling with them when I've not had any new playable content for a year: and no, these transforms aren't playable content to me.

I cannot understand why people with no interest in a thread topic or style of play even bother writing in the thread. Don't get me wrong they have a valuable opinion, but they self-confess that they have no opinion on the topic then--proceed to defend not having a opinion. Like those that answer questions on amazon reviews that say they never bought nor tried the product. It hurts my head.

cjthibs wrote: »

I'm just going to assume anybody who is saying don't change anything at all hasn't every played Werewolf, or doesn't want Werewolves to be viable, for whatever reason. (Vamps probably.)

Can anyone who voted that way elaborate?

1. WW cannot, will not and can never be a toggle. As mentioned by devs. there's many threads on this. Search is your friend. I personally find a toggle unnecessary.
2. Having been one of the first WW's in game (and waiting a looong time until we got love in v1.6) I find the WW line now--immensely enjoyable, playable and viable in game.
3. Bugs? sure. Polishing needing done? sure. Good for PvP now...ummm...who plays PvP now? It's broken worse than any WW stuff.
4. Never, ever pay or solicit a bite for gold. It's the code of the beast.

Sly

I just don't want to feel forced to be a WW for the stam regen. There is absolutely no incentive to not be a WW. I'm not saying get rid of the stam but make being a WW more of a unique choice.

I voted for increased timer and better refill options, only because I believe it is more likely than a toggle, and it would make me happy.

It would be cool if devour was a bit quicker, and recovered some stamina as well.

all the optiions i listed were things ive seen repeatedly brought up in the other Werewolf main thread on the developer discussion, so "Search is your friend" is kind of a weird thing to say. By removing the werewolf timer All together it essentially becomes a permanent transformation, so basically a toggle.. however they choose to implement that would be up to them. i included the option of "WW are perfectly fine as is" to see if people A) had other suggestions or B ) people who play as WW legitimately have zero issues, and from what ive seen, of the 12 who did vote that way, 1 gave no inclination he even plays as a werewolf and the other does actually enjoy it as is, although he is quite literally the only person ive stumbled across since i got the game on ps4 launch that feels that way. either way when you add up all the people who want SOME form of change to come to the ww the people who dont want anything are in the minority.

the ww timer worked in Skyrim and other single player eso games because you could build around it and become a wolf god like beast with almost no restrictions. here however 9/10 seem to agree that being a ww for anything other than the stamina boost is a step back. some such as myself would be happy if improvements were made for at least RP elements(such as being able to select wolf form as a mount so you can travel at the speed of a werewolf, or have human form passives such as wild wolves having a yellow aura instead of automatic red enemy) and some people were more vocal about wanting some kind of timer change. if you have zero interest in the ww skill line please dont come on here and skew the results that hopefully reflect what the vast majority of ww players may want. the purpose of the none of the above was so that people who voted that way could then say what they would actually want, seeing as how i didnt include it. by now most ww players know what the devs have said almost word for word, because theyve been trying to find hints at something ww related to look forward to.

Extended timer, mainly in pvp where lack of things to devour. My solution would be to stop the timer when 'in combat' and have it start again at the end of combat. Leave all other timer enhancing mechanics.

I would like to see devour replenish stamina too.

Survivability feels poor, but it's basically because most WW forget to block or roll dodge and werwolves are quickly focussed in zergs. No class shield or invisibility mechanics makes it hard to avoid being focussed or to heal through some focus fire. Increased base physical and spell resist (+6k) would be nice, particularly once 1.7 lands.

The heal currently scales off magica - I would like to see it scale off stamina personally. Happy with it costing magica, but if that means it must scale off magica, make one morph stamina to scale off stamina.

A ranged taunt on one of the howl morphs would be good for PvE tanking. I would love to see a leader of the pack tank and 3 berserkers running vet dungeons all in wolf form.

Otherwise I think WW is pretty good. I can wreck small pvp groups (all be it low skill players) and usually go well against decent players. Some builds have good counters to WW, but nothing should be all powerful.

I think we can all agree that none of us want these things or maybe we want a few but it is small segment of the community. Also what the game needs is to balanced CP is out of control in PvE and PvP. Something needs to be done to change it. We also need veteran ranks removed at some point and a solution. These are the issues I think the community should focus on.