Shadowy Disguise use?

LotusBladedancer
At the moment during a fight I am using Shadowy disguise while crouched to enable me to a stealth attack which (if enemy is in combat) does 2x the normal damage?

I usually stealth in - Surprise Attack-Rapid strikes then go ... Shadowy Disguise - Surprise attack- rapid strikes (repeat until boss/enemy is dead)

But looking at99% of the assassin-style builds for pve on the forums they never use Shadow Disguise? Why not?

I thought the whole point was to stealth - hit re-stealth- hit (always doing 2x damage)?

Am I missing something?
  • Lynx7386
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    It just isn't efficient. You could be doing more damage with another ability.

    Also, you're mistaken in how it works. You cannot get the stealth bonus when in combat. Being in shadowy disguise does not mean you're stealthed, and none of the same benefits apply. The only reason to use shadowy disguise in combat Is to get the 100% crit chance on next attack that the morph offers.
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  • LotusBladedancer
    You sure? I thought if you crouched while in combat, then used shadowy disguise (while crouched) you can still get the 2x damage bonus?

    the 3x bonus only works when target is not in combat mode...
  • RoyJade
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    Shadowly disguise just give you 100% critical chance, and a critical hit for 1,5x normal damage (more with some passives).
    A sneak attack (who is only allowed when you aren't in fight) have a weapon/spell damage bonus, a crit too and a stun (light/heavy attack only).
  • LotusBladedancer
    Ok, thanks for the information :-)
  • Aerathnor
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    It also has a tendency to not work in a dungeon when you need it to, so it's value as an escape is limited. Surprise attack also keeps shadow barrier up nearly permanently so you don't need it for that passive.
    Edited by Aerathnor on July 14, 2015 3:23PM
  • LotusBladedancer
    Does the Surprise Attack apply the 'fracture' even when attacking out of stealth?
  • Valnas
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    shadowy disguise is a good/unique burst tool in pvp but a lot of people favor dark cloak's removal, especially as vampires vs fire dot's. I've used it in some bomb builds as a last cast (detonation bats cloak sap / concealed) type useage where the cloak makes multiple things crit and receive the 10% while invis sp/wpn dmg bonus from bats/cloak on the detonation and follow up hit. using it on it's own offensively it's good in an opener, but if you know how to position w/ sneak it's not needed to gank. stealth and invis are two seperate things tho they share some passives.
    Edited by Valnas on July 14, 2015 3:20PM
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  • Aerathnor
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    Does the Surprise Attack apply the 'fracture' even when attacking out of stealth?

    Yes, it only loses the stun aspect of it.
    Edited by Aerathnor on July 14, 2015 3:24PM
  • LotusBladedancer
    Thanks, time to re-arrange my weapon bar then :-)
  • alaiham2002
    You can be seen with radiant light and reveal and many others.Maybe that's why.
  • Uberkull
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    Lynx7386 wrote: »
    It just isn't efficient. You could be doing more damage with another ability.

    Also, you're mistaken in how it works. You cannot get the stealth bonus when in combat. Being in shadowy disguise does not mean you're stealthed, and none of the same benefits apply. The only reason to use shadowy disguise in combat Is to get the 100% crit chance on next attack that the morph offers.

    Shadowy Disguise
    Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible and gain Precision for 2.5 seconds.
    Precision ensures your next attack will be a critical strike.
    New Effect:
    Guarantees a critical strike on next attack

    Surprise Attack
    Slash an enemy for 13 Physical Damage.
    Attacking with Surprise Attack while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
    Enemies attacked from stealth or invisibility are also afflicted with Major Fracture, reducing Armor by -8000 for 12 seconds.
    New Effect:
    Ability now scales off Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. Reduces target's armor on hit.

    How doesn't that work in combat? It has to. It says it.

    Edited by Uberkull on September 25, 2015 11:25AM
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  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    uberkull wrote: »
    Lynx7386 wrote: »
    It just isn't efficient. You could be doing more damage with another ability.

    Also, you're mistaken in how it works. You cannot get the stealth bonus when in combat. Being in shadowy disguise does not mean you're stealthed, and none of the same benefits apply. The only reason to use shadowy disguise in combat Is to get the 100% crit chance on next attack that the morph offers.

    Shadowy Disguise
    Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible and gain Precision for 2.5 seconds.
    Precision ensures your next attack will be a critical strike.
    New Effect:
    Guarantees a critical strike on next attack

    Surprise Attack
    Slash an enemy for 13 Physical Damage.
    Attacking with Surprise Attack while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
    Enemies attacked from stealth or invisibility are also afflicted with Major Fracture, reducing Armor by -8000 for 12 seconds.
    New Effect:
    Ability now scales off Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. Reduces target's armor on hit.

    How doesn't that work in combat? It has to. It says it.

    Because of the delay between hitting Claok and when you can attack that 2.5 seconds of 100% crit is one attack two if you light attack first.

    Besides that if you have a DoT on you the damage will break it. Killing you as well its a damage morph that will get you killed in PvP far more often then get you the kill.
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  • Uberkull
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    uberkull wrote: »
    Lynx7386 wrote: »
    It just isn't efficient. You could be doing more damage with another ability.

    Also, you're mistaken in how it works. You cannot get the stealth bonus when in combat. Being in shadowy disguise does not mean you're stealthed, and none of the same benefits apply. The only reason to use shadowy disguise in combat Is to get the 100% crit chance on next attack that the morph offers.

    Shadowy Disguise
    Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible and gain Precision for 2.5 seconds.
    Precision ensures your next attack will be a critical strike.
    New Effect:
    Guarantees a critical strike on next attack

    Surprise Attack
    Slash an enemy for 13 Physical Damage.
    Attacking with Surprise Attack while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
    Enemies attacked from stealth or invisibility are also afflicted with Major Fracture, reducing Armor by -8000 for 12 seconds.
    New Effect:
    Ability now scales off Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. Reduces target's armor on hit.

    How doesn't that work in combat? It has to. It says it.

    Because of the delay between hitting Claok and when you can attack that 2.5 seconds of 100% crit is one attack two if you light attack first.

    Besides that if you have a DoT on you the damage will break it. Killing you as well its a damage morph that will get you killed in PvP far more often then get you the kill.

    Regardless of the morph for surprise attack, take the other one that purges dots....the point is, you CAN get the Surprise Attack 4 second bonus after you Cloak. It's called stun lock. Because Cloak makes you invisible and that is all that Surprise attack needs for the stun.
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