How to counter 30k+ Shieldstacking Enemies?

Alcast · July 2015

Enlighten me, im a PvP noob and i want to start killing those shieldstacking idiots

Any stuns, attacks that go through shields?

First step i did was stacking Nirn, thats done, what else?

Erock25 · July 2015

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Alcast · July 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Ok lemme change the title

And, Healing ward, hardened ward, Barrier and here you go 50k

Sorc is the only real problem I have encounted dealing with shields, bc they simply bolt away Healing Ward> Hardened ward and they have back their *** shields.

Works with other classes too but they dont have an escape ability making them almost immune to dmg

Maulkin · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Ok lemme change the title

And, Healing ward, hardened wart, Barrier and here you go 50k

Sorc is the only real problem I have encounted dealing with shields, bc they simply bolt away Healing Ward> Hardened ward and they have back their *** shields.

Works with other classes too but they dont have an escape ability making them almost immune to dmg

I'd visit a doctor for the bolded part.

Erock25 · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Ok lemme change the title

And, Healing ward, hardened wart, Barrier and here you go 50k

In that case you should use physical dmg which cuts out Light Armor magicka shield. All CC that I am aware of besides Destructive Reach goes through shields so there is that. Usually when I die (Sorc with 13k Hardened Ward and I think around 10k Harness Magicka .... Healing Ward scales obviously), it is while I am CC'd or there are 2+ enemies and I can't escape because they chain charge me and two competent people can easily wreck shields as quick as they can be cast. Don't forget that on top of shields taking unmitigated damage that once my shields are burst, my 20k health gets shredded because of my reliance on light armor. If I let my shields dip for just a second I am moments away from being two shot.

Tankqull · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Ok lemme change the title

And, Healing ward, hardened ward, Barrier and here you go 50k

Sorc is the only real problem I have encounted dealing with shields, bc they simply bolt away Healing Ward> Hardened ward and they have back their *** shields.

Works with other classes too but they dont have an escape ability making them almost immune to dmg

keep charging them, especially the s&b and toppling charge are perfect for that becasue if he doesent block while bolting you stun him afterwards supressing his recasting of his shields.

Alcast · July 2015

Okay that shield charge stuff sounds good, tho have to drop my bow.

Seaber · July 2015

The real question is how do you counter someone with 85k hp that isn't the emperor?

timidobserver · July 2015

Option 1: You need to be able to burst upwards of 30-50k DPs over about 1-2 seconds depending on how low you can catch their shield and how much health they have. Wittle their stamina down as far as you can and then apply the longest stun you have and burst.

Option 2: Equip sword and shield and reflect a crystal frag or meteor. Stun and burst immediately after the reflect.

Bashev · July 2015

Seaber wrote: »

The real question is how do you counter someone with 85k hp that isn't the emperor?

Where did you get these numbers from? Max HP that you can reach without emp is around 60k - 65k -- (600 CP)

Minno · July 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Ok lemme change the title

And, Healing ward, hardened wart, Barrier and here you go 50k

In that case you should use physical dmg which cuts out Light Armor magicka shield. All CC that I am aware of besides Destructive Reach goes through shields so there is that. Usually when I die (Sorc with 13k Hardened Ward and I think around 10k Harness Magicka .... Healing Ward scales obviously), it is while I am CC'd or there are 2+ enemies and I can't escape because they chain charge me and two competent people can easily wreck shields as quick as they can be cast. Don't forget that on top of shields taking unmitigated damage that once my shields are burst, my 20k health gets shredded because of my reliance on light armor. If I let my shields dip for just a second I am moments away from being two shot.

Also if the fight becomes more of a draw, consider retreating to kite the sorc into fellow players.
Better to not give AP to the enemy than to try to break shields if you can't.

Also disorient skills are your friend!!(they don't count as CC so you can "stun" forever )

Eejit1331 · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Enlighten me, im a PvP noob and i want to start killing those shieldstacking idiots

Any stuns, attacks that go through shields?

First step i did was stacking Nirn, thats done, what else?

What race and class and stamina or magicka are you?

Seaber · July 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

The real question is how do you counter someone with 85k hp that isn't the emperor?

Where did you get these numbers from? Max HP that you can reach without emp is around 60k - 65k -- (600 CP)

Well I have 3600 CPs

Nestor · July 2015

Seaber wrote: »

Well I have 3600 CPs

So does everyone else on the PTS with a Template. But this is not the section for discussing the Public Test Server

Alcast · July 2015

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Enlighten me, im a PvP noob and i want to start killing those shieldstacking idiots

Any stuns, attacks that go through shields?

First step i did was stacking Nirn, thats done, what else?

What race and class and stamina or magicka are you?

Templar, Stamina

Eejit1331 · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Enlighten me, im a PvP noob and i want to start killing those shieldstacking idiots

Any stuns, attacks that go through shields?

First step i did was stacking Nirn, thats done, what else?

What race and class and stamina or magicka are you?

Templar, Stamina

Between animation cancel of javelin, crit rush and biting jabs (weave light attack) you should do very well. I have both a sorc and a stamina templar and I i have been on both the receiving and delivering side, so with a little timimg, you'll be knocking them out left and right. They have next to no stamina and next to no health of they are stacking that much Magicka. Super easy.

Ezareth · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It seems you came close to killing him if he actually reached 50k shields. At least 20-25k of that shield must have been Healing Ward with 1% HP left. Your topic should really be how to counter 35k shield stacking NB or 42k shield stacking Temp/DK too if we're being honest because that is all the extra shielding Sorc gets over the other classes if we are believing your 50k shields portion of the post.

Ok lemme change the title

And, Healing ward, hardened ward, Barrier and here you go 50k

Sorc is the only real problem I have encounted dealing with shields, bc they simply bolt away Healing Ward> Hardened ward and they have back their *** shields.

Works with other classes too but they dont have an escape ability making them almost immune to dmg

SirAndy · July 2015

Timely post ...
Last night, one VR14, 30k ish health (according to FTC) and shields stacked. As far as i know, no other enemy players around.

3 of us pummeled him with everything we had, including ultimates. Neither his shield bar nor his health bar ever dropped at all. Not one pixel.

After several minutes, we just gave up and left him alone ...

tplink3r1 · July 2015

Run.

timidobserver · July 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Run.

Just save your time and jump off of a cliff before trying to run from a Sorc on a Templar.

Ezareth · July 2015

SirAndy wrote: »

Timely post ...
Last night, one VR14, 30k ish health (according to FTC) and shields stacked. As far as i know, no other enemy players around.

3 of us pummeled him with everything we had, including ultimates. Neither his shield bar nor his health bar ever dropped at all. Not one pixel.

After several minutes, we just gave up and left him alone ...

His name didn't begin with a "B" did it?

Can't even mention him as he trolls the forums looking for someone to even mention his name so he can report/lock the thread.

Mr_Nobody · July 2015

The way to kill an average shieldstacking sorc, as templar, is to prolong a fight, bait their "will to kill you" while staying at low/medium hp, either rolldodge or do something, but dont attack a bit since they will restack, wait for a moment they are shieldless, charge + dawnbreaker into jabs (considering you are stamina) ~ works 90% against average sorcs. Bad sorcs shouldnt be a problem at all, and good sorcs will never be shieldless.

Bromburak · July 2015

Imo this is not a question to burst through someones def , its a question what else the shield user is able todo.

I am certain they will announce more adjustments soon, just a matter of time.
Something like "When you have strong shields on you, your outgoing damage is reduced for n%."

This way the Shield user can survive but not be a canon at the same time.

Knootewoot · July 2015

If you encounter a shieldstacker... just turn around and walk away. Plenty others to fight against.

Valnas · July 2015

If stamina, gap close and burst ...

If you are a sustained dps or tank, focus on cc every 6 seconds, snares, immobilizes, and doing burst when he's on the ground. Don't burn reflects till their projectile burst is coming.

If you are burst, save your largest hit for the end of their shield. Nibble nibble nibble, cc and land your wb/frag/ult/detonation on a slivered shield.

Joy_Division · July 2015

Pretty much the same way you deal with dodge-rolling idiots. You need to time a CC to prevent them from their spam defense and then burst them down. Note: "idiot" = people who rely on active defense after 1.6 to avoid insta-death. As a shield stacking idiot myself I will tell you the stamina pool is what you want to attack.

You could go sword & shield for reflect which is really good Vs. sorcs. Use the invasion + jabs.
If you still want bow, the magnum shot skill and then switch to Two-handed for critical rush + executioner is also a possibility.

RinaldoGandolphi · July 2015

Stamina users have it a bit easier then magic users due to stamina users only have to really bust 1 shield(Hardened Ward) Healing Ward don't get really big unless the guy is low on health.

Magic Users have it harder because they will have to get through two shields (Ward and Harness Magicka) 3 when the person is low on health (Healing Ward)

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time. Best thing to do to a Sorc is to simply ignore him/her...in doing so you can bait the fight on terms favorable to you where you can kill him. Simply let them go, you will get them later.

I have been told of a certain sea snake which has a very unusual method of attracting its prey. It will lie at the bottom of the ocean as if wounded. Then its enemies will approach, and yet it will lie quite still. And then its enemies will take little bites of it, and yet it remains still. -Falco - Gladiator

LatinLegacy · July 2015

Those kinds of players is the only reason why I have Mass Hysteria slotted on my second bar. It can take a few times using it to drop a shield stacker or blocking scrub but if it's a 2 or more vs just that one player, they drop quickly. It's a great hard counter to those kinds of players.

Vynist · July 2015

@Alcast !

I am glad you are getting into PvP!

I really like your Stamplar Jabsmania build and I hope you can find something that works for stamina templar in PvP. Post often!

Hypertionb14_ESO · July 2015

shields are used in PvP as a artifical Heal. giving health that doesnt have innate armor midigation.

the shields do not prevent CC effects.

Heavy hits to lower the shield a bit, then Burst them after a CC... good example of this is when one sorc fights another, its usually the one that lands a burst with a Fragment proc that wins due to the knockdown.

Waylander · July 2015

Just transform into a werewolf man. Believe the hype.