Well, if a guy can run around in a wedding dress doing battle or run around in jester costumes, what is wrong with adding some more flavors of armor to satisfy all?

This is a Mature, Fantasy MMO.... there is no reason why more revealing armors shouldn't be an option Again, you can gain armor from A RING with an enchantment, there is no shortage of how it could make sense to have it in-game... and also costumes hello.... some of those costumes most certainly aren't covering up my characters armor and then there's the whole "you can hide your helmet" thing.... ya drop the realism argument as it went out the window the moment you stepped onto the world of Nirn.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Well, if a guy can run around in a wedding dress doing battle or run around in jester costumes, what is wrong with adding some more flavors of armor to satisfy all?

This is a Mature, Fantasy MMO.... there is no reason why more revealing armors shouldn't be an option Again, you can gain armor from A RING with an enchantment, there is no shortage of how it could make sense to have it in-game... and also costumes hello.... some of those costumes most certainly aren't covering up my characters armor and then there's the whole "you can hide your helmet" thing.... ya drop the realism argument as it went out the window the moment you stepped onto the world of Nirn.

Since when did mature become 'dresses like a stripper'?

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The art style might be becasuse they went for a more realistic than sex appeal style. Cleavage holes and open midriffs don't do a great job protecting you in combat.

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its a *** fantasy game, magic protects u anyways, you can sprint and swim in heavy armor and be as fast as in light and stuff basically its unrealistic and it will be like that always so dont try to argue with those "rela life" things...

Go download *** and *** to that. There were a lot of boob shirts pre 1.6 but they changed the style.

Grow up

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, I'm waiting for somebody to finally implement a full anatomical model into an MMO combat system... it'd be awesome to cut somebody's arm off, slide a dagger into the visor hole, or bludgeon a gaping dent into the chest. .... or see the body actually burn alive, see the armor melt from the fireball, or skin melt from the toxic cloud.... just because its fantasy doesn't mean feeling and looking real is not better and more immersive

That sounds really horrific.

I'll just take the loincloths and chainmail bikinis :-P Non-realism sounds more fun lol

Exactly. The game is supposed to be fun, not bring on a PTSD episode.

Have you never watched 'saving private ryan' 'flags of our fathers' 'lone survivor' 'American Sniper or 'we were soldiers' ....?

Honestly, as a veteran I appreciate those films more for their gritty combat scenes.

@ch.ris317b14_ESO;2007629
I avoid all combat related movies. I suffered about 5 years of PTSD, not going back. I was an infantryman, not a REMF.

I did see Saving Private Ryan. Nothing in that movie was realistic, from my perspective. Not even 1% of the stuff I saw.

Moonscythe wrote: »

This is full Bosmer medium and I think it's pretty sexy while still being classy. Plus, there are no stupid hip flaps, nor apron front and back and very minimalist pauldrons.


The argonian light looks like Cleopatra queen of the nile though I have her with plain breeches. The Argonian medium guards are leather bike shorts.


As for chat either talk or text, I refuse to participate so I can't be offended.

Im more offended by your graphics settings... what are they at? Holy pixels batman.

I dont see why light armor cant be more revealing. Not outright slutty like a lot of games but light armor is just cloth right? why not have a nice dress or something?

If I may, what made you wake up and say "Damn it ZOS I want to see the belly buttons of female characters!". I must say this has definitely brought a new insight to me on what gamers look for in a game. I always thought the fan service was an extra, not a sought after feature.

Also, I'm pretty sure the ESRB doesn't rate online interactions so you can't really use the chatbox as a comparison.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

FancyTuna8 wrote: »

Personally, I want more realistic clothes, i.e. non-armor to wear around town, and armor that you would actually wear to try to survive in the wilds of Tamriel, not heavy/medium armor you would wear to march in battle formation and hold the line.

I'd agree to that! I definitely want more "town clothes" to diversify my characters non-combat outfits, and I would just love to see "realistic" reasons not to tromp around the landscape in heavy armor (which by the way isn't usually the full plate some mention, most of it seems more akin to half-plate... but even so, realistically that sort of thing would only have been worn when expecting battle, and otherwise be bundled up on the packhorse). Swimming penalties would be the very first I'd add to the game. And then... some more quests where you need good swimming...

Gidorick wrote: »

As long as more skin = less armor protection I say go wild!

That's my mind on the topic as well. And my roleplaying characters have multiple outfits as well for that reason.

What I dislike is people who want "sexy" outfits, but with the same protection as "unsexy, covered from head to toe like a battle nun" armor. One of the thing I also dislike about the costumes we have - that their mechanic can allow people to have full protection in a wedding dress, I would much rather see them divided in combat costumes which stay during a fight, and non-combat costumes which unequip if taking damage...

Gave you an awesome, not only because I agree with the general points, but also because someone actually read my post!
I think the "punishment" attitude, i.e. less protection if skin is showing, needs to work both ways. The more armor, and the heavier it is, your attack speed should slow down, movement speed, the responsiveness to turning your character, etc...most armor in game simply isn't mobile. There was always a tradeoff to protecting the vital shoulder/armpit areas.

So to Gidorick, I'd ask if you agree that people wearing cumbersome, but protecting armor, should also have the tradeoff of less mobility?

Or we can all go with the "hey, not everything in the game is realistic" approach. As someone already posted, Wayshrines and invulnerable horses ( I already would have single-handedly kept a glue factory in production), not to mention banks that DON'T CHARGE FEES, are already fantasy. Fences that offer you full price. A bank account you jointly share with 7 other family/acquaintances, spread across islands and continents, that let you access the physical storage in the bank from a multitude of spots.

What I'm saying: if we want to be realistic on armor, then let's be realistic in all ways that armor affects the game, not just a "well you should have a tradeoff, but not me" manner.

seratin wrote: »

That's a common misconception, proper armor allows for a great range of mobility, particularly because it's evenly distributed throughout the body. What you're referring to is tournament armor, which as the name suggests is not the sort of armor we run around with daily. Nothing done in game is overly unrealistic.

You can read more about common misconceptions if you're interested here:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/aams/hd_aams.htm

Read the link, it has one lone book as a source, and quite honestly is too romanticized a version of things. Yes, warriors in armor could do a lot on a battlefield, but only as far as their stamina and adrenaline took them, and they weren't bars that regenerated the minute an opponent wasn't in their radius.
Our characters are adventurers, and as such, after that fight with 2 cultists is over, we have to re-tighten the lacing on our armor, rummage through their body for anything useful, get back on the horse or go running again or sneak further into the cavern, etc....You are talking about a full, strenuous day, akin to going out and cleaning up the woods, but doing it all with armor on, and with the consistent threat of life-threatening situations. Armor that encumbers you with weight, but also with restriction of motion. Yes, during battle someone could keep going for awhile. But wearing it all day, even the full medium I see, would be exhausting. I don't see how you can argue it wasn't cumbersome. There's a reason why when you take that stuff off, you relax and feel more free to move.

Eleusian wrote: »

I'm looking for the Reason the game is rated M. Like others have said please make the game truly have some adult themes. Sexy apparel & sex in general is part of real life and social culture , like everyone in the fantasy world of tamriel is scared of showing some skin.

Your mentality is precisely the problem

Adult does not equal sex.... adult should mean a mature understanding of sexuality in cultural context.

My Redguard Templar here is wearing a medium Bosmer jack (level 22) and that is revealing quite a lot of skin.

I wanted to see her tatoos too

Chris,
I used to play D&D the barbaric way, and your magic-user could cast a single first level spell PER DAY. So I get what you are talking about with magic and stamina.
I think what a lot of us want are armors that look like they would give an advantage in mobility, or at the least not walk around town decked out for the castle siege. My characters aren't me, I view the game more as a writer would observing the story as they create, but I like to see the game feel like the characters are living lives, not performing math functions.
For the record, I don't really want the chain bikinis, but at the same time I can respect the player who argues that gladiator style armor, even with just one thigh piece and one shoulder piece, did have some advantages.
Obviously, in the ESO game world life is cheap (my bounty for killing someone was 125), so it would fit in to have people running around with internal organs unprotected by armor.

My only real investment on the subject is that:

I think it is unfair for the heavy armor lovers to not want stamina/mobility penalties imposed for those armors, but anyone wanted uncovered bits (oh, that's TOO much ankle!) should lose armor protection.

Oh, and I would like some about-town clothes that automatically come on when I enter the town's limits. Right now I'm stealing a poor semblance of what I'd like and putting it on in town, and sometimes forgetting to change back and starting a fight with a loose linen shirt on.

P.S. You can play around with the body type a lot during character creation--I saw a portly middle-aged man character, and I know you can make a reasonable facsimile of a small-chested, pear-shaped woman if desired. You can avoid the Barbie model pretty easily.

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The art style might be becasuse they went for a more realistic than sex appeal style. Cleavage holes and open midriffs don't do a great job protecting you in combat.

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its a *** fantasy game, magic protects u anyways, you can sprint and swim in heavy armor and be as fast as in light and stuff basically its unrealistic and it will be like that always so dont try to argue with those "rela life" things...

Really don't need anymore of that garbage. Like someone else said, if you want half naked chicks runnin around in your game (creepy btw) there are plenty of Korean games that have nothing but that.

I would like this outfit.

Skwor wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The art style might be becasuse they went for a more realistic than sex appeal style. Cleavage holes and open midriffs don't do a great job protecting you in combat.

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its a *** fantasy game, magic protects u anyways, you can sprint and swim in heavy armor and be as fast as in light and stuff basically its unrealistic and it will be like that always so dont try to argue with those "rela life" things...

Really don't need anymore of that garbage. Like someone else said, if you want half naked chicks runnin around in your game (creepy btw) there are plenty of Korean games that have nothing but that.

Ya I did not start the thread for trashy clothing, i just would like to see more appealing options, especially non armor related.

And everyone keeps saying it's only for women... one would expect it to be equal for all parties involved. Some male characters want to go for the barbaric look, or the roman gladiator type look, etc.

No one wants TERA, but it would be nice to move away from the mindset of "Cover every inch of skin to avoid impure thoughts!" mentality.