The idea of doing something while not doing the thing required to do it is silly.

If you think it is not an exploit, I invite you to visit a doctor.

If this mechanic existed in Pong, it would be an exploit ("Where'd the ball go?!").

If this existed in an online shooter, such that you could make a shot while ducking under a wall at the same instant, it would be an exploit (because the other player has to deal with an impossible, senseless scenario).

Just because someone "embraces" a bug, doesn't make it not a bug.

I can embrace being punched in the face, but it doesn't make it a good thing to do, it just makes me a punching bag.

All the above said, with or without animating canceling, the good players will still be good; the bad, bad; the okay, okay; and so, you top tier guys have nothing to worry about.

What will happen if they fix this?

People would whine (because people always whine incessantly).

Eventually, the whiners would adapt to the improved, smooth combat engine, and experience more general responsiveness, more predictability/reliability with using their skills, less lag, more realistic PVP and more chance to reasonably counter your enemies (and put your build to use).

No AAA title ships out with broken animation skipping, and calls it a feature.

This is an exploit. It is a bug. It directly subverts the game rules (i.e. what players can and can't do with their skills, and skill timing, and using one skill at a time), as originally set up (pre "we can't fix this so it's a feature" admission).

It's not like ZOS hasn't flat out stated on the forums whether something is or isn't an exploit before.

"ZOS_AmeliaR wrote:
Greetings. We understand the frustration that is caused by this behavior and would like to provide some clarification as to how we are addressing it. Firstly, bypassing a closed gate from the assaulting side is indeed an exploit."
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1528905/#Comment_1528905

Likely they haven't given a definitive yes or no because they're not sure themselves, or aren't sure how to proceed.

Hey folks, since this comes up every so often and folks seem to rehash the same arguments, take a look at some of these prior discussions

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163655/discusion-animation-canceling-a-good-thing-a-bad-thing/p1



http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170254/the-latest-exploit-with-animation-clipping/p1

And please remember to keep things civil. This topic always seems to people being agressively for or against it and not listening to others opinions. No one is attacking anyone for asking for source info or about how it's handled by ZOS.

I know lets all use 20 sided dice to play with! Thats a new and awesome idea huh?

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

I know lets all use 20 sided dice to play with! Thats a new and awesome idea huh?

I love a table top and a d20.

So the heavier attacks and spells that do more damage, seem to have a longer animation time. That seems to be desired by ZoS, more attack damage, longer to "charge up".

But hey deluding yourself into thinking that because you can effectively break the game for a split second, so your a better player, that's all you OP.

I would prefer to see people have to actually think alot more about what they are using. As a sorc, I can spam CF non stop and wreck someone. Or they could fix the animation and give more consequences to spamming a heavy attack.

Harder hitting spells SHOULD take longer to cast. Thinking that I should be able to cast CF as fast as my Endless Fury is ridiculous. One does ok damage, the other is a nuke.

But hey, continue to spend time "weaving" (someone actually spent 8 hours "practicing"???????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHA FAIL), ill continue to spend my time getting more "player skill" so when they fix weaving, or not, ill wreck you all the same.

CriD wrote: »

So the heavier attacks and spells that do more damage, seem to have a longer animation time. That seems to be desired by ZoS, more attack damage, longer to "charge up".

But hey deluding yourself into thinking that because you can effectively break the game for a split second, so your a better player, that's all you OP.

I would prefer to see people have to actually think alot more about what they are using. As a sorc, I can spam CF non stop and wreck someone. Or they could fix the animation and give more consequences to spamming a heavy attack.

Harder hitting spells SHOULD take longer to cast. Thinking that I should be able to cast CF as fast as my Endless Fury is ridiculous. One does ok damage, the other is a nuke.

But hey, continue to spend time "weaving" (someone actually spent 8 hours "practicing"???????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHA FAIL), ill continue to spend my time getting more "player skill" so when they fix weaving, or not, ill wreck you all the same.

^^ wrong meme bro. Hope your animation cancelling is better than your meme game.
vv same with post below me. Doesn't know his memes.

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Hello Skyrim players!

ZOS has stated that animation cancelling is not in any way an exploit or cheat.

Have fun in Skyrim!

Hello, @Lava_Croft!

ZOS has stated that it is a bug and they will be fixing them in the next major update.

Have fun, @Lava_Croft!

@MCMancub Could you please let me know where that was said/written? It's new to me and was just wondering.

Same here! Anyone following ZOS statements will know that the only statements they made regarding animation cancelling is that it's not a bug, not an exploit and they like added layer of skill it brings to combat.

Yes @Lava_Croft , I follow ZOS statements, BUT, they could have changed their minds, that's always possible. @Pman85 could you please link a source to where it was stated it is now considered a bug? I don't recall seeing anything new on it, so it'd be interesting for me to read/watch.

If you created a game with a broken mechanic that you were unable to fix or prevent people from using, would you say it was intended or would you just kindly ask them not to do it knowing you couldn't enforce it? Get real. It's an exploit of the combat mechanics and we all know it. Stop pretending otherwise.

@eventide03b14a_ESO they have it's a side-effect of the action combat, although not intended, was being embraced, and not an exploit, I'll go try and find the exact ESO Live episode now and link it for you. I'm not trying to argue or anything, I'm just genuinely curious as to when they changed their stance on it

I genuinely believe they only begrudgingly accepted it because they couldn't fix it.

I genuinely believe they intended it as a more interactive combat system. But hey as I said before agree to disagree

It was intended to be able to cancel your current action in case you found yourself in a dire circumstance and the alternate action was more beneficial to your survival.

Had they simply added the cancel to animation cancelling, none of this would be an issue.

If it's about timing and fluidity, internal timers can be adjusted so things fire off faster. Hell, they already did that once in 1.6, didn't they? So it's not as if the overall effect (time-wise) can't be recreated or the overall damage boost (DPS wise) can't be recreated.

The fact that visual indicators cease to be there while the action remains is BS and everyone knows it.

I weave, but I also don't argue that it's anything less than an unforseen and unintended use of a game mechanic.

100% not an exploit. Still 100% BS.

If you're running on a decent system, with decent connection, you should be able to produce the same range of results as another individual. With the way it's currently setup, the people that aren't "doing it right" have no way to know how to do it better. No DPS test dummies, no system command to show you what your perfectly timed combination resulting DPS could be (built into ESO, not via Macro or third party).

This is the ultimate problem that arises from it. People that don't know can't know.

That is the part that lends itself to bias and unfair advantage.

You get taught to block, to attack, to dodge, even to use potions and inventory. Nothing in game ever provides a way to show someone how to do or perfect this skill.

You can't look at someone that hasn't learned to swim, throw them in the water and then say "Just figure it out. It's not like it's hard," and having them watch a youtube video 5 minutes prior won't be much help either.

Want it taken out? Take it out.

Want it left in? Leave it in, but provide a way to show people how to do it so it at least has the potential to be even across the board.

Some people are bound to be better at various things than others. This is to be expected. But, for all of us that do use this mechanic, unintended though it may be, you obviously have difficulty imagining it any other way, right?

How do think it's any different for those that can't seem to find that fine line?

As I said before if they take it out I wont come here whining about it. I will simply adjust my play style.

it is what it is.

Dont can I have a big group hug?

Also, let me toss this in here

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

Hey
Do you plan to offer alternative skills or mechanics to folks poor at animation canceling as an alternative to the current meta that requires it be used in most challenging fights or pvp? – HeroOfNone
Adding heavy attacks into your damage rotation is easier than light attacks. We have a number of ways to increase heavy attack damage such as the Dragonknight’s Molten Weapons, Sorcerer’s Bound Armaments and the Undaunted item sets.

As it stands, attack weaving is a requirement for this game to do many end game hard mode fights and absolutely required for PVP. If you don't use it there are few roles and builds that you can do without it. This was set when ZOS determined the dame amounts for bosses and left us with very little mechanics to handle heavy attacking (like interuptin many heavy attacks and abilities in 1.5)

Despite it being required, attack weaving is not widely known & not in the game's tutorials, so new players don't know about it and will have find out organicly, by watching youtube videos, or hearing from others. It's not surprising most think it's an exploit.

And speaking of exploits, this also is commonly confused with macroing and lag switching in pvp, where folks will do a ton of abilities in under a second. Don't worry, there is no way to use attack weaving to get 2-3 wrecking blows off in less than a second. There are, unfortunately, things can do with lag to do those wrecking blows on their disconnected client, reconnect, and have them all hit at once. This is one area ZOS really needs to work on better checks in PVP.




In my opinion, there several things wrong with animation canceling, mostlyon ZOS's part. It's implementation is poor, there are few alternatives, and it's not explained well. If we're going to remove it, that may be fine as long as they offer in other other things to better transition attacks. It seems a lot easier to keep things in this grey middle ground in terms of less work, but it does hurt the quality of the game not to address it in over a year

Dymence wrote: »

Animation cancelling does absolutely nothing.

Yes, you can cancel your animations by blocking and what not, but the ONLY thing this does, is make the animation invisible.

It does in no way, shape, or form decrease the actual animation duration; it merely makes it invisible.

Medium attack weaving is an integral part of the game when it comes to maximizing your dps output, and the key to this is learning the animation times to execute your rotation as fast as possible.

or to set up a macro, or even download a template from the macro wich is allready done by other

Skwor wrote: »

Everytime this comes up the elephant in the rooom gets ignored.

man I know im fat but did you really need to call me an Elephant? Did my wife put you up to this?

Guess im one of the weird ones that using my fingers. But I just weave attacks. I refuse to use macro's ...maybe Im stupid