Also in ESO live it was stated natural regeneration would stop, outside sources such as potions and shards would still give stamina. You may want to watch that portion again

bountyspiter wrote: »

You aint helping in any way clarifying things with your answer though, are you?
I wouldnt make this post in the first place if i dint watch ESO live.

Shards dont give stamina regen, they give stamina to the person that use the synergy.
And my question was exactly on the "outside sources" part. Zenimax need to clarify if all those things i mentioned are considered as such.

Yes, his/her answer is helpfull. You will not regenerate stamina while blocking. You can still restore stamina with potions (only the instant restoration, not the regeneration over time) and Templar shards can give you stamina.

So you will want to lower your block for a few seconds, to get some regen ticks, combined with a heavy attack of your Sword or bow, to restore stamina.

Dracane wrote: »

Yes, his/her answer is helpfull. You will not regenerate stamina while blocking. You can still restore stamina with potions (only the instant restoration, not the regeneration over time) and Templar shards can give you stamina.

So you will want to lower your block for a few seconds, to get some regen ticks, combined with a heavy attack of your Sword or bow, to restore stamina.

there we go... another reply thats actualy not a reply and dont help at all. even worse it complicates things more as you actually consider the potions regeneration a natural regen and not another source of regen...

Which once more brings me to my original post...which one of all those things are considered or not a source of regen thats gonna be frozen while blocking???

Someone from zenimax plz this time...

Block will stop the stamina regen who is in your character tooltips. That's mean all the "natural" regen AND all the buff. 0 regen.
Only potions, spear synergy, remembrance and probably redguard passive will give you some stamina back.

For the mantikora, the fight will probably become far more difficult. Same thing for burst strat in the vet arena.

Vaelen wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

So you will want to lower your block for a few seconds, to get some regen ticks, combined with a heavy attack of your Sword or bow, to restore stamina.

Okay, I will remember to tell the tank next time doing an SO run to lower their block for a few seconds so the Manti can 2 shot the tank with bleeds/overpower.... few seconds later, everyone wipes, GG.

All this QQ. Everyone needs to adapt and I don't see a problem in adapting to that. You are used to block 24/7 . Now you'll have to put more efforts in it. That's awesome and I enjoy the challenge.... tanking is boring and tireing as it is right now.

Maybe they should swap Health regen from heavy armor for Stamina Regen while blocking.
That way, with a 7/7 heavy armor set, a player would still be able to reach 28% Stamina regeneration.
(Or maybe bump that number up a bit to reach around 50% or so)

bountyspiter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yes, his/her answer is helpfull. You will not regenerate stamina while blocking. You can still restore stamina with potions (only the instant restoration, not the regeneration over time) and Templar shards can give you stamina.

So you will want to lower your block for a few seconds, to get some regen ticks, combined with a heavy attack of your Sword or bow, to restore stamina.

there we go... another reply thats actualy not a reply and dont help at all. even worse it complicates things more as you actually consider the potions regeneration a natural regen and not another source of regen...

Which once more brings me to my original post...which one of all those things are considered or not a source of regen thats gonna be frozen while blocking???

Someone from zenimax plz this time...

Dude they are giving you the answer. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not helpful or untrue.

I had the same questions as you OP, and there certainly needs to be an official response to clarify things. So far in this thread, it seems people are talking about the same things in different ways, or are referring to a mix of old (pre-1.6) and new (post-1.6) mechanics, which is leading to some confusion. Here is my interpretation of the upcoming change to blocking:

In short, I believe the new mechanic for blocking will effectively put your stamina regen stat (what you see in the character stat window) to 0 while blocking, while still allowing you to restore/replenish stamina from various sources that do not buff your stamina regen stat or provide the Major/Minor Endurance buff (e.g. Templar's Shards synergy, NB's Siphoning Attacks ability, and the initial restore from stamina potions).

Here is my logic, and note that wording is very important in these kinds of discussions. Since 1.6, buffs and attributes were consolidated to make things easier to program, balance, and understand by players. There are now only two ways your character regains its stamina. The first is stamina regeneration; this is what is displayed in your character stat window and is buffed by various passives (race, class, enchants, Werewolf, gear sets, Champion constellations, etc) and active abilities that grant the Major or Minor Endurance buff (e.g. Green Dragon's Blood, the second effect of stamina potions, etc). It doesn't matter where the source comes from, they all boost your stamina regen stat that you can see in your character stats window. The second way is through restore/replenish, which instantly restores a certain percent or specific number of Stamina points and does not affect your stamina regen stat; things that restore your stamina include the initial effect of stamina potions, Templar's Shards synergy, the Undaunted Command passive, NB's Siphoning Attacks, etc. Right now, these two mechanics work alongside one another so you have a constant stamina regeneration rate while being able to have your stamina instantly restored by various amounts from abilities, synergies, potions, and so on. Given this, it is my belief that the proposed change will simply halt your stamina regen while you are holding blocking, but still allowing you to have your stamina restored/replenished. Anything that boosts stamina regen (whether "in-combat" or "out of combat", a passive buff or the Major/Minor Endurance buff) will not be active while blocking because boosting zero stamina regen by X% would still be zero stamina regen.

What would this mean for tanking builds? Max stamina and stacking block reduce cost would be even more important for tanks, as would potion cooldown enchants (ZOS, this is a great time to fix/buff potion-related enchants!). Activating synergies would also become more important for tanks, who can take advantage of the Undaunted Command passive to restore 4% of their max Stamina. And lastly, Nightblade Argonian tanks would ascend to godly tank status because of NB's Siphoning Attacks (and its proccing off of Caltrops) and Argonians' stat restore when using any type of potion (which is being buffed in the same update)

However, a lingering issue and possible exploit is, when does the stamina regen halt when blocking? Is it the split second you hit the block button, or is it once the animation completes, or is it after 1 second, or something else? This is important to know because people could potentially "block weave," rapidly pressing the block button to block incoming attacks while avoid the stamina regen penalty, essentially creating a new form of permablocking.

Overall, and even though I play an Argonian Nightblade tank, I think this is a great change that will make PvE tanking more challenging (right now it is pretty easy) and help minimize blockcasting cheesiness in PvP. I would like to see them buff the Heavy Armor passive Constitution by either increasing the % restored, and/or lowering the cooldown.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Hopefully we can get an official statement.

I think this is going to cause an epic *** storm. I guess we'll see what happens. Kind of seems like they are forcing any tank into a NB or a hard stamina build which I thought kind of went completely against Zeni's philosophy.

HeardsTheWord wrote: »

Why are you being so rude to people trying to answer your question?

Not rude at all. Just stating the obvious! Which is that people with little or non at all knowledge on a subject try to explain a whole role change in 1 sentence and almost 100% of the times misdirrect the conversation to a totaly different topic that has nothing to do with the original post. No offence intended to anyone.

@ThatNeonZebraAgain Thank you for your reply. Truly helpfull. But still as you also stated an official responce would be tremendously appreciated.