This is an intended mechanic. All ultimates (apart from sorcerer's Overload) drain all your ultimate points when you activate them. This is needed to prevent people from using powerfull ultimates like Meteor, Standart of Might or Nova multiple times within a few secounds.

Equilibriator wrote: »

sorry, maybe i wasnt clear. I dont want the ultimates to have seperate bars. I want them to share the same bar. I just dont think a 50 cost ultimate should be draining 300 ultimate.

If you have two 250 cost ultimates and you use one, both are back at 0.

If you have one 50 cost ability and one 250 cost ability, when you use the 50, the 250 one drops to 200 and the 50 one is back on 0, therefore you cannot EVER spam 2 ultimates directly after each other but you are also not punished for using a low cost ultimate in your bar.

simlarly, if you use a 200 cost ultimate and have a 300 cost ultimate on the other weapon, it drops down to 100.

Simple math to me, i dont get why small cost ability uses up your high cost ability instead of only the amount it equals being deducted.

The way the system works right now, you are pushed into picking either the same ultimate on both bars, or pick two similar cost ultimates.

The current mechanic for ult gain and use means that you need to be strategic in when you use them so that you'll never be able to spam low cost and high cost ults consecutively. This is intended and what I read from your suggestion would just be plain over powered I'm afraid.

Equilibriator wrote: »

sorry, maybe i wasnt clear. I dont want the ultimates to have seperate bars. I want them to share the same bar. I just dont think a 50 cost ultimate should be draining 300 ultimate.

If you have two 250 cost ultimates and you use one, both are back at 0.

If you have one 50 cost ability and one 250 cost ability, when you use the 50, the 250 one drops to 200 and the 50 one is back on 0, therefore you cannot EVER spam 2 ultimates directly after each other but you are also not punished for using a low cost ultimate in your bar.

Simlarly, if you use a 200 cost ultimate and have a 300 cost ultimate on the other weapon, it drops down to 100.

Simple math to me, i dont get why small cost ability uses up your high cost ability instead of only the amount it equals being deducted.

The way the system works right now, you are pushed into picking either the same ultimate on both bars, or pick two similar cost ultimates.

dont work like that your overcomplicating it, using ulti consumes all ulti points, what u want s not really logical
dont think u get how it works, 50 costing ultu will be charged quick since u generate a certain amount of ulti a second
300 costing ulti will take alot longer to charge, but will probably do alot more
its not that if u have your 50 costing ulti loaded you also have your 300 costing ulti loaded, no its only 1/6th loaded, so if u use the 50 costing when its just loaded you dont waste 250 ulti points, thats what u seem to think

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

Equilibriator wrote: »

sorry, maybe i wasnt clear. I dont want the ultimates to have seperate bars. I want them to share the same bar. I just dont think a 50 cost ultimate should be draining 300 ultimate.

If you have two 250 cost ultimates and you use one, both are back at 0.

If you have one 50 cost ability and one 250 cost ability, when you use the 50, the 250 one drops to 200 and the 50 one is back on 0, therefore you cannot EVER spam 2 ultimates directly after each other but you are also not punished for using a low cost ultimate in your bar.

Simlarly, if you use a 200 cost ultimate and have a 300 cost ultimate on the other weapon, it drops down to 100.

Simple math to me, i dont get why small cost ability uses up your high cost ability instead of only the amount it equals being deducted.

The way the system works right now, you are pushed into picking either the same ultimate on both bars, or pick two similar cost ultimates.

dont work like that your overcomplicating it, using ulti consumes all ulti points, what u want s not really logical
dont think u get how it works, 50 costing ultu will be charged quick since u generate a certain amount of ulti a second
300 costing ulti will take alot longer to charge, but will probably do alot more
its not that if u have your 50 costing ulti loaded you also have your 300 costing ulti loaded, no its only 1/6th loaded, so if u use the 50 costing when its just loaded you dont waste 250 ulti points, thats what u seem to think

aye but if i have the high cost one charged, ill never use the low cost one because its not worth it. so i never use it

and if u use the 50 cost one, it does waste 250 points if the 300 one is full. thats my whole issue.

Once you learn how to generate Ultimate efficiently, and that is Weaving in Light or Heavy attacks with your skills, then Ultimate Generation, even for a 300 Ult is not that hard to do. Plus, there are passives and skills that also generate more Ultimate.

I think the point your getting hung up in is the pool can grow larger than the Ultimate Cost. This was because back in the early days, there were some Ultimate's that scaled up based on the extra Ultimate you have in the Pool. We don't have those anymore for the most part.

However what you are really charging is the Ultimate you have on your bar right now. The nice thing is, you can have the 50 Ultimate on one bar, but have enough in the pool to swap to the other one if you need to. However, you really want to be using the 50 Ultimate more often, having it sit on your bar charged and ready is not helping your character unless you use it. Save the Werewolf for the World Bosses and Dungeon Bosses. There are more than enough mobs around to generate some Ultimate before you start the fight with the one that needs the more powerful.

Hint, once you unlock Veil of Blades (all around boss killer ultimate), you will have two high cost ultimates to choose from and this imbalance won't be noticed anymore.

Nestor wrote: »

Once you learn how to generate Ultimate efficiently, and that is Weaving in Light or Heavy attacks with your skills, then Ultimate Generation, even for a 300 Ult is not that hard to do. Plus, there are passives and skills that also generate more Ultimate.

I think the point your getting hung up in is the pool can grow larger than the Ultimate Cost. This was because back in the early days, there were some Ultimate's that scaled up based on the extra Ultimate you have in the Pool. We don't have those anymore for the most part.

However what you are really charging is the Ultimate you have on your bar right now. The nice thing is, you can have the 50 Ultimate on one bar, but have enough in the pool to swap to the other one if you need to. However, you really want to be using the 50 Ultimate more often, having it sit on your bar charged and ready is not helping your character unless you use it. Save the Werewolf for the World Bosses and Dungeon Bosses. There are more than enough mobs around to generate some Ultimate before you start the fight with the one that needs the more powerful.

Hint, once you unlock Veil of Blades (all around boss killer ultimate), you will have two high cost ultimates to choose from and this imbalance won't be noticed anymore.

I think if i wasn't using werewolf the current system would be fine for me. It just feels like that 50 cost ultimate is just a slightly more powerful attack over basic attacks that wastes my werewolf skill and altho that veil of blades is good, werewolf is better because i can heal and take the fight onwards after i kill whatever im fighting, so again, i never use it. (and why use the other NB ultimate that hits everything around me when i can transform into werewolf and do better in every respect).

I do agree with you that i can just build it up before a fight with a boss as most of them are forseeable but it still grates on me a bit and virtually all my deaths (very rare) happen when im charging for werewolf :P.

This is an issue of being for the greater good it would seem as its more targeted at limiting those other amazing ultimates out there and werewolf *maybe* just costs to much or should be a toggle like overload. That however is another topic for another area (one that has been ignored by devs for like 7-9 months apparently :P)

Rosveen wrote: »

That's assuming you even use Veil of Blades. A stationary ultimate isn't the best option when kiting or in PvP.

Ultimate usage always depends on the situation. You say you never use low cost ultimates, but sometimes the low cost is a great advantage because it allows you to put the ability in your normal rotation. Heck, we once had an entire vamp meta based on an insanely low cost of Bat Swarm. Death Stroke can be used to quickly burst an enemy down. It's not always a waste.

True, the more agile bosses this does not work. But with the Snare and some other DPS skills in the DW/NB line, I can usually get the boss burned down before they move off the circle. I can see how this would be useless in PvP.

Equilibriator wrote: »

I think if i wasn't using werewolf the current system would be fine for me. It just feels like that 50 cost ultimate is just a slightly more powerful attack over basic attacks

Well, it kind of is. This 50 cost Ultimate (are there any other's with a cost this low?) was really a rotation skill. Back when we got Ultimate for Critical and bunch of other things, it was literally part of a rotation. Since my Ultimate is mapped to 6, I would go 1,2,3,4 6, 1,2,3,4, 6 over and over again when fighting mobs and bosses. 5 was a Siphon skill and not used that often. Since the Ultimate gen has been slowed down, this is not possible anymore.

Almost every other Ultimate that is worth using costs 200 or more. And, there are Ultimates that may be better for a situation than the Werewolf might be. You have Meteor, Dawnbreaker (for the passive boost to damage more than anything else), Veil of Blades, and a few other ones to choose from to fold into your rotation.

I only say this as I rarely see the Werewolf being used in Pugs or Public Dungeons. I do see it, just not that often as other Ultimates are. And, this being the PC, anyone now who wants to be a werewolf can be one just for asking.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Werewolf is rather awkward in it's design. Maybe it should not have been an Ultimate. But your solution would just lead to people dropping Meteor and immediately following it with DK Standard, and other combos of Ultimates that would be overpowered.

Yeh, this seems to be the consensus.

I think the reason i love WW so much is im a wood elf nightblade and it seems the perfect set up to make it work. In dungeons its hilarious but no idea what end game dungeons will be like yet tho.

Personally, the less ppl using it the better. I want to be a pretty white snowflake :P