Nightblades need self heal/damage shield

Bloodgharm
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Currently nightblades do not have class skills with the options of self heals or damage shields. In order to use those types of abilities, we must go into the 2H skills tree; which, to me, does not fit with the traditional rogue archetype. These aspects are almost necessary for soloing content like dungeons or world bosses where we must focus on single target/bosses and don't have the adds in order to make use of reaper's mark etc. Yes, I know we have strife and it's morphs, but the HoT is so small that it doesn't seem worth it.

Please, nightblades need some survivability skills.
  • Reverb
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    I sap and swallow soul my way to all the dungeon healer achievements. My NB is actually the only class that I've never equipped a resto staff on.

    A class damage shield would be nice, but I run bone shield, and sometimes barrier, both of which can be chosen regardless of weapon preferences.
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  • Bloodgharm
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    @Reverb So swallow soul and sap essense are good for soloing? I never see people using those skills. I'm looking to be able to take on WBs by myself or run dungeons solo. What would be a good build for that?
  • notimetocare
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    Bloodgharm wrote: »
    Currently nightblades do not have class skills with the options of self heals or damage shields. In order to use those types of abilities, we must go into the 2H skills tree; which, to me, does not fit with the traditional rogue archetype. These aspects are almost necessary for soloing content like dungeons or world bosses where we must focus on single target/bosses and don't have the adds in order to make use of reaper's mark etc. Yes, I know we have strife and it's morphs, but the HoT is so small that it doesn't seem worth it.

    Please, nightblades need some survivability skills.

    A) NB is not just 'rogue'
    B) Specify stamping. Swallow Soul and Sap are great for magicka.
    C) Shadow Cloak Sup attack for stun. NB are manipulation and stealth. Use it.
  • Reverb
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    Reverb wrote: »
    I sap and swallow soul my way to all the dungeon healer achievements. My NB is actually the only class that I've never equipped a resto staff on.

    A class damage shield would be nice, but I run bone shield, and sometimes barrier, both of which can be chosen regardless of weapon preferences.

    Yes, swallow soul I use on my bow bar for pve, both at V14 and when I was a little lowbie NB. I don't slot it in pvp. Sap I use on my melee bar, always.
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  • Bloodgharm
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    @notimetocare
    1) Yes I realize that nb's aren't just rogues, but I prefer to play as a sneak cloak and dagger type.
    2) I am a stamina based nb, so those magicka abilities won't do me much good as I'll be doing less damage than a stamina skill would. On a side note, how does blood craze from the dw line hold up with its meager HoT?
    3) I use the cloak surprise attack combo religiously, but it doesn't help me out with bosses that are immune to stun.
  • built4sin13
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    Yeah I have always been the classic "rogue" nightblade type..... randomly found a "warlock" NB build using more siphoning skills and I love this thing. Never been a fan of the sorcerer/mage type game play but this seems to be working for me.
  • Lynx7386
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    I dont think we'll ever see these things added to the class skills.

    However, I've recently hit a high enough rank with undaunted to get the bone armor ability (it's a stamina based damage shield for 30% of your max health, lasts 6 seconds), and it is absolutely fantastic as a stamina nightblade.

    Similarly, you could try picking up vigor from the alliance war as a stamina based heal, if you dont want to go for rally.
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    Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    Vigor will be reduced to Assault level 5 next content patch.
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    If you support this thread you may get a more viable Blood Craze (Heal over time to use)

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/192722/major-brutality-should-it-be-given-to-twin-slashes-instead-of-hidden-blade#latest
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  • RavenSworn
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    Sap essence in groups is definitely awesome even as a stamina nb. I can take brawler, double take and sap essence and I wont die. NBs dont need a class based heal because they have other means of healing.

    Reaper's mark + executioner / killer's blade will heal you back to full health. NBs are just not meant to be played like a warrior in the early levels, abd even if you do, you play more like a berserker, than a full warrior. You have other damage mitigation abilities, use it.
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    I think he's talking about DW user's.
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  • RavenSworn
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    Doesn't change a thing really. Sap essence will help with some. Steel tornado is even better in groups, coupled with double take, Killer's blade and reaper's mark.. Groups go down fast and you still, maintain heals and dps.
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  • BurtFreeman
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    Bloodgharm wrote: »
    Currently nightblades do not have class skills with the options of self heals or damage shields. In order to use those types of abilities, we must go into the 2H skills tree; which, to me, does not fit with the traditional rogue archetype. These aspects are almost necessary for soloing content like dungeons or world bosses where we must focus on single target/bosses and don't have the adds in order to make use of reaper's mark etc. Yes, I know we have strife and it's morphs, but the HoT is so small that it doesn't seem worth it.

    Please, nightblades need some survivability skills.

    this is blasphemy! :)

    look at your class skills, you may find a great way to survive with your bloody nb, you may even turn it into healer
  • Strider_Roshin
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    No they don't. We have damage capabilities others don't. If we just as good damage mitigation and healing, our class would be way too powerful.
  • Flameheart
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    Lynx7386 wrote: »
    I dont think we'll ever see these things added to the class skills.

    However, I've recently hit a high enough rank with undaunted to get the bone armor ability (it's a stamina based damage shield for 30% of your max health, lasts 6 seconds), and it is absolutely fantastic as a stamina nightblade.

    Similarly, you could try picking up vigor from the alliance war as a stamina based heal, if you dont want to go for rally.

    I agree.

    For magicka builds: Funnel Health + Refreshing Path + Sap Essence are your friends, at least in PvE.

    My magicka NB has 33k magicka. Funnel Health is instant and does at rank 4 over 4k damage and I watched Funnel Health heal ticks for over 4k, Refreshing Path ticks for 800-900, every 0,5 (!) seconds. Start with Sap Essence to boost your spell damage and therefor your healing even more.

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  • OrphanHelgen
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    I read one sentence of your post before this comment. pls read nightblade skills before you post. One of my many vr14 characters are a breton nightblade, and I have self heals, party heals, dodge chance and crits, dmg, movespeed, dots, execute, burst dmg etc etc etc, a powerful class!! You just dont know how to play it.
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  • cerf
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    I have an ultimate ability that creates a shadow ring on the ground and reduces enemy damage by 60% + allows myself and others to be healed, so... Also, my siphoning has an option to heal others as well as myself.
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  • Bloodgharm
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    Most of you are saying to use the siphoning skills. Yes, I realize that we have those, but playing as a stamina nb, the usefulness of those abilities is going to be pretty meh. Plus I'd have to deal with the problem of resource managment and/or juggling different attributes. I don't want to deal with that so my only option is an ultimate that gives self heals, Vigor from the alliance skill line (which I don't plan to pvp much so that's moot), and the 2H and undaunted skills. I'd just like to play how I'd like and have the freedom to use dw and bow without having to use 2h skills.

    Those of you saying to use reaper's mark and killer's blade: I already use those to great satisfaction--while fighting mobs. Those do me little to no good in a single target/boss fight. I need a healing ability that scales off of stamina and can be used in sustained situations. I know there's blood craze, but I haven't used it yet and have no idea how well the HoT works. Suggestions? Or should I just go with a strife morph or sap essence, say f*ck the consequences and deal with a skill that I can't use to its full potential?
  • Relothe42
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    If you cling to the med arm, rogueish, stam nb, you will be pretty squishy. You cant have a class with massive dps and super high survivability. It's called balance.
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  • Lynx7386
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    cerf wrote: »
    I have an ultimate ability that creates a shadow ring on the ground and reduces enemy damage by 60% + allows myself and others to be healed, so... Also, my siphoning has an option to heal others as well as myself.

    Hate to break it to you but consuming shadows/veil of blades does not heal you, as you cannot use the synergy from your own spells.
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    M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
    Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
    Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
    Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
    Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank
  • rb2001
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    My NB survives just fine.
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