Why are Champion Points a problem in PvP?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · July 2015

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Personally, I have never has a problem with the champion system. I have been playing since it went buy to play, and my highest level character is level 49. I'm not even at the veteran ranks yet because I mostly play PvP. I also play solo most of the time and simply travel to wherever the battles are in order to help out. My kill to death ratio is usually around 5. This is because I have taken the time to learn how the game mechanics work. I have a hard time even in 1v1, but I am good at choosing targets in a large scale battle, as well as surviving if I am caught on my own. I should also point out that I an argonian stamina nb. I know people say that champion points are a problem, but if so, wouldn't nonvet be where it is the most obvious? I usually die if I don't see a siege circle during a battle or if I'm not paying attention to where the battle lines are and I get surrounded.

PvP is all about skill and how you use your abilities. This game does not revolve around entirely around stats, it has a lot to do with skill. I am sure that I have killed people with CPs, and they have probably killed me as well. I would like to say that i am an above average player, but I'm not sure. I am never high up on the leaderboards simply because I am not on enough to get that kind of AP, but when I am on I will about 10k in a half hour if I go into the middle of a large battle. I know that I don't have the skill to 1v1 yet, but that is my goal. I mainly try to survive, and I do this by focusing on terrain. If I am in open terrain, I sneak. If I am at a choke point or surrounded by enemies, I CC. PvP is knowing when to use certain abilites.

And for anyone trying to accuse me of following the standard stamina NB formula, first, I am an Argonian. Second my bars are DW and Bow, however, once again, I don't have the skill or a good enough mouse to follow people at melee range, so I only use my Bow bar. I don't have any self heals, nor do I use potions. Yet, I manage to survive well enough to have fun. PvE may be more stat based than skill based, I'm not sure about this, but skills rule PvP. Yes, stats do mean that you hit harder, or have more regen, or reduced cost for something, but in the end, it's how you use the stats.

Anyway have fun destroying my argument, but I say things as I see them

I also main an Argonian Nightblade Bow and off hand Melee (all stamina Melee weapons depending on my mood) before my Alts hit VR 1 in PvP they have all the magic and stamina after 49 your stats change to normal in pvp and your damage output is lowered

markt84 · July 2015

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

BuggeX · July 2015

markt84 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

Thats would meen i should have 3600 CP, hmmmm

markt84 · July 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

Thats would meen i should have 3600 CP, hmmmm

No you just run and hide. You jump in to fight low level stragglers, and once the fight turns against you, you just run and hide. I mean if you consider that being good at a game then fine. I'm talking about guys that can take 6-10 on solo without being emperor

BuggeX · July 2015

markt84 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

Thats would meen i should have 3600 CP, hmmmm

No you just run and hide. You jump in to fight low level stragglers, and once the fight turns against you, you just run and hide. I mean if you consider that being good at a game then fine. I'm talking about guys that can take 6-10 on solo without being emperor

hmmm, since when does the dk has cloak or escape abilitys?

markt84 · July 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

Thats would meen i should have 3600 CP, hmmmm

You are more of an annoying fly, it isn't going to hurt you, just be bothersome. You will just keep hit and running until I just ignore you and continue going where I was heading in the first place, before your failed gank attempt. Then you get a level 11 run by and it makes you feel like a big man

Tolmos · July 2015

markt84 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

Thats would meen i should have 3600 CP, hmmmm

You are more of an annoying fly, it isn't going to hurt you, just be bothersome. You will just keep hit and running until I just ignore you and continue going where I was heading in the first place, before your failed gank attempt. Then you get a level 11 run by and it makes you feel like a big man

It would be nice if they labeled people on your client with more than say 500+ CP than you, and have different labels for each increment of 500. That way, if you run into a player with 2000 more points than you (virtually a raid boss that will require several more people to help take down), you can know to run away as quickly as possible.

At least WARN me that I'm about to pick a fight with a god.

BuggeX · July 2015

markt84 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

because you can stack 100k shield

Dear alcast i killed many Eu leaderboard leaders and i have half the cps they got.
In pvp first thing is your skill, than cps. In pve they count more.
Ofc disvantages are more with new players that have 70 cps at v14 vs who have thousands, so in long term.

Not even close. In PVP the first thing is are you alone. Second do you have a lot of champion points. Third, skill. And fourth, do you have enough surviablity to withstand a battle with someone with a lot of champion points until help arrives.

Thats would meen i should have 3600 CP, hmmmm

You are more of an annoying fly, it isn't going to hurt you, just be bothersome. You will just keep hit and running until I just ignore you and continue going where I was heading in the first place, before your failed gank attempt. Then you get a level 11 run by and it makes you feel like a big man

Wich Camp and Server do you Play?

TequilaFire · July 2015

It's AvA so group or die which evens out stats and CP, you will have group mates with all ranges of stats that way.
If you chose to solo you need to be good enough and have the right stats and equipment, and also expect to get rolled.
Please stop worshiping abnormal players that put out youtube videos, talk about playing the game 24/7.

sadownik · July 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

It's AvA so group or die which evens out stats and CP, you will have group mates with all ranges of stats that way.
If you chose to solo you need to be good enough and have the right stats and equipment, and also expect to get rolled.
Please stop worshiping abnormal players that put out youtube videos, talk about playing the game 24/7.

Sadly its not that simple. As there are "elite" guilds in PvE, that require some level of characer progression (yes cp wise too), there are also PvP guilds that tend to demand same. Running into such well trained skilled and well grinded group is a nightmare.

Aside from above, the fact that the fightr between groups might be equal in cp is not very comforting if you are one of those scrubs looking at fight through blue death filter.

TequilaFire · July 2015

Well CP is not the problem against well organized groups, it is lack of organization and tactics of the counter group.
Those elite PvP groups dominated long before the CS and will do so if and when CP is capped or removed.

nimander99 · July 2015

There is no problem, people just repeat what they read on forums, they figure if they see enough people repeat the same things over and over again then it must be true... its small minded-ness and is going to hurt the game.