Why The Imp City Will Help Cyrodiil AvA Balance

Pirhana7_ESO · July 2015

If you played Darkage of Camelot you know that the Imperial City concept is very similiar to that of Darkness Falls.

If you did not play DAOC this is why. DAOC had a PVP system that ESO uses as its PVP system in Cyrodiil. About a year after launch DAOC added Darkness Falls (Imp City) By winning on the war map your alliance gained control of Darkness Falls. Generally this was the alliance that was the stronger side at the time. But by gaining control of Darkness Falls that would draw alot of the players to head there. Alot wanted to do the PVE because it offered elite gear and items that could ONLY be obtained their and was needed for your finally gear template. many others went just for PVP so they could clear the enemy alliance members out, which often had some good skirmish as well as hunting enemy players. There was also usually a final stand the enemy alliance would try to make in one area.

Now while all this was happening in Darkness Falls that alliance had lost alot of its Army in the frontiers (Cyrodiil) and now was losing the battle to control the keeps they were holding because both enemy alliance were attacking them. Then, eventually another alliance gained control of Darkness falls. And the circle would continue, It worked like a perfect balancing tool. Alot of people really enjoyed it because it brough some smaller scale PVP as well as huntng and tracking enemy players as well as some more mixed PVP /PVE encounters.

I know the Imperial City wont be the exact same but I am sure it will have a very similiar effect

pppontus · July 2015

deleted

IxSTALKERxI · July 2015

Lol I can already see what zone chat will be like...

[Dedicated AD Player] 30 EP sieging Alessia farm side!!!!! Need help!
[Dedicated AD Player] Omfg! where is everyone?? I'm the only person here!
[Khajiit bow dude] I need help inside imperial city type 333 for group!
[Sir Cloaksalot] 18 DC siege on faregyl!! where is everyone
[xxSneaky Assasinxx] Omg I just got the new daedric style gear from imperial city!!!

*25 minutes later*

[Dedicated AD Player] Need more for altadoon defence! Type lfg for group.

Dagoth_Rac · July 2015

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

I am gitty so to speak about imperial city it's that my only problem with it is that you need all 6 of your home keeps to enter and leave it. I think that's a very bad idea ad needs to be changed and with imperial city being on the next PTS I'm sure we can all give the feed back saying that needing all 6 home keeps is a bad idea. Maybe just the gate keeps should be needed to open the city to your faction. Makes seance need em to keep your HQ closed and to keep city open.

Lionxoft · July 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

You do have a point with this.

Nermy · July 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

I don't think it's DLC you have to pay for. I've heard nothing about that. Think you maybe jumping the gun a wee bit...

Poxheart · July 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

If you played Darkage of Camelot you know that the Imperial City concept is very similiar to that of Darkness Falls.

If you did not play DAOC this is why. DAOC had a PVP system that ESO uses as its PVP system in Cyrodiil. About a year after launch DAOC added Darkness Falls (Imp City) By winning on the war map your alliance gained control of Darkness Falls. Generally this was the alliance that was the stronger side at the time. But by gaining control of Darkness Falls that would draw alot of the players to head there. Alot wanted to do the PVE because it offered elite gear and items that could ONLY be obtained their and was needed for your finally gear template. many others went just for PVP so they could clear the enemy alliance members out, which often had some good skirmish as well as hunting enemy players. There was also usually a final stand the enemy alliance would try to make in one area.

Now while all this was happening in Darkness Falls that alliance had lost alot of its Army in the frontiers (Cyrodiil) and now was losing the battle to control the keeps they were holding because both enemy alliance were attacking them. Then, eventually another alliance gained control of Darkness falls. And the circle would continue, It worked like a perfect balancing tool. Alot of people really enjoyed it because it brough some smaller scale PVP as well as huntng and tracking enemy players as well as some more mixed PVP /PVE encounters.

I know the Imperial City wont be the exact same but I am sure it will have a very similiar effect

I suspect that it won't balance AvA very much (if at all). The organized groups that capture keeps & scrolls will continue fighting in Cyrodiil even after they've taken keeps to block opposing factions from accessing the Imperial City.

Etaniel · July 2015

Poxheart wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

If you played Darkage of Camelot you know that the Imperial City concept is very similiar to that of Darkness Falls.

If you did not play DAOC this is why. DAOC had a PVP system that ESO uses as its PVP system in Cyrodiil. About a year after launch DAOC added Darkness Falls (Imp City) By winning on the war map your alliance gained control of Darkness Falls. Generally this was the alliance that was the stronger side at the time. But by gaining control of Darkness Falls that would draw alot of the players to head there. Alot wanted to do the PVE because it offered elite gear and items that could ONLY be obtained their and was needed for your finally gear template. many others went just for PVP so they could clear the enemy alliance members out, which often had some good skirmish as well as hunting enemy players. There was also usually a final stand the enemy alliance would try to make in one area.

Now while all this was happening in Darkness Falls that alliance had lost alot of its Army in the frontiers (Cyrodiil) and now was losing the battle to control the keeps they were holding because both enemy alliance were attacking them. Then, eventually another alliance gained control of Darkness falls. And the circle would continue, It worked like a perfect balancing tool. Alot of people really enjoyed it because it brough some smaller scale PVP as well as huntng and tracking enemy players as well as some more mixed PVP /PVE encounters.

I know the Imperial City wont be the exact same but I am sure it will have a very similiar effect

I suspect that it won't balance AvA very much (if at all). The organized groups that capture keeps & scrolls will continue fighting in Cyrodiil even after they've taken keeps to block opposing factions from accessing the Imperial City.

You can't say that yet, we don't know what the draw to IC will be. If there is enough incentive to go inside, dominating factions will have less defense and it WILL balance out the campaigns.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

Nonsense argument. By your logic, it's stupid to put skyshards behind enemy gates, because it requires actual effort to get them, and they aren't always available. There shouldn't be lvl restrictions on gear because oh you paid for the game so you should have access instantly to everything. Trials are also a bad idea because oh no I have to be in group of 12, I can't do it solo.

How about you struggle and fight for that content, and feel rewarded when you finally get access to it huh?

Darkness falls was the most amazing part of DAoC for me, I can only hope that IC goes in a similar direction.

And for all whiners who complain about its system, you've never tried it, so quit complaining before getting your hands on it !

SturgeHammer · July 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Lol I can already see what zone chat will be like...

[Dedicated AD Player] 30 EP sieging Alessia farm side!!!!! Need help!
[Dedicated AD Player] Omfg! where is everyone?? I'm the only person here!
[Khajiit bow dude] I need help inside imperial city type 333 for group!
[Sir Cloaksalot] 18 DC siege on faregyl!! where is everyone
[xxSneaky Assasinxx] Omg I just got the new daedric style gear from imperial city!!!

*25 minutes later*

[Dedicated AD Player] Need more for altadoon defence! Type lfg for group.

I have no idea how it will play out, but I love the names in your zone chat preview.

kevlarto_ESO · July 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Lol I can already see what zone chat will be like...

[Dedicated AD Player] 30 EP sieging Alessia farm side!!!!! Need help!
[Dedicated AD Player] Omfg! where is everyone?? I'm the only person here!
[Khajiit bow dude] I need help inside imperial city type 333 for group!
[Sir Cloaksalot] 18 DC siege on faregyl!! where is everyone
[xxSneaky Assasinxx] Omg I just got the new daedric style gear from imperial city!!!

*25 minutes later*

[Dedicated AD Player] Need more for altadoon defence! Type lfg for group.

I can see that, but we kind of have this now, we can have a locked faction, and no one or just a handful show up, it's like where the heck is everyone, I always joke in cracked wood cave, one day I am going over to take a peek...
And we have to remember if your faction wants to keeps it access to IC it has to keep a certain amount of keeps, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out, should liven things up a bit.

Garion · July 2015

I hope and pray that IC is going to have a positive impact on Cyrodiil but I honestly think that it is going to be a huge anticlimax. I sincerely hope I am wrong though. I want to be proved wrong.

On a side note, I am pretty sure I read somewhere they will no longer be making it so that your alliance has to control all of the keeps to enter? Although I could be mistaken. If this is the case then I don't think it will have the effect we are all discussing.

Lord_Draevan · July 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

I... actually didn't think about that before I read your comment. Good point.
From what we've been told so far, when you lose a Home Keep you don't get kicked out of the Imperial City, but if you die and respawn at a Keep/Gate you won't be able to get back in, so... it'll be iffy.

I too now hope it's not paid DLC cause, as you said, you'll only be able to access what you've paid for about 1/3 of the time, if you're lucky.

Pirhana7_ESO · July 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I am gitty so to speak about imperial city it's that my only problem with it is that you need all 6 of your home keeps to enter and leave it. I think that's a very bad idea ad needs to be changed and with imperial city being on the next PTS I'm sure we can all give the feed back saying that needing all 6 home keeps is a bad idea. Maybe just the gate keeps should be needed to open the city to your faction. Makes seance need em to keep your HQ closed and to keep city open.

So updated info... you need all 6 of your home keep to enter. You can leave it at anytime. if an enemy player kills you will respawn back in cyrodiil if you do not own all your home keeps.

Pirhana7_ESO · July 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

Update, you just need to control your home keeps to enter but enemy factions can cut your access off. having limited access actually makes it special when you get the oppertunity to go there. Not having access to it actually pushes your side to get access to it and take back your home keeps which is far easier than it will be for the otehr alliance to defend on enemy lands, especially when some of their force is in the imperial city at that time.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · July 2015

There will be more information about access rules, death, and relogging mechanics when we release official info soon

Also note that many points made in this, and many other threads, have been taken into account over the course of development.

k2blader · July 2015

I'm kind of hopeful but I don't want Cyrodiil to turn into a place where people mainly go to get into the newest, shiniest dungeon where they can get the newest, shiniest gear.

Will a PvE-obtainable-only lure in a supposed PvP zone help to create more and/or enjoyable PvP? Based on what's happened before, people are going to go the easy route and basically support buff servers. There'll still be those groups/individuals that stir things up, but there probably won't be an equal number of them per faction. I think Cyrodiil should be specifically set up to reward PvP time and effort, not PvE. So what you get in a dungeon located in Cyrodiil shouldn't be as good as what you get for actually PvPing. Not sure Zeni agrees though..

k2blader · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There will be more information about access rules, death, and relogging mechanics when we release official info soon Also note that many points made in this, and many other threads, have been taken into account over the course of development.

Looking forward to it!

Please reward actual PvP more... pretty please.... :-)

FireCowCommando · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There will be more information about access rules, death, and relogging mechanics when we release official info soon Also note that many points made in this, and many other threads, have been taken into account over the course of development.

Has there been changes to access rules, re spawning and other rule changes from what's already been announced?

Bromburak · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There will be more information about access rules, death, and relogging mechanics when we release official info soon Also note that many points made in this, and many other threads, have been taken into account over the course of development.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
We know you are busy, much appreciated if you find some time to lurk in the threads and give us a little sign with some informations on Cyrodiil ... Keep this up please.

Thank you.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

If you played Darkage of Camelot you know that the Imperial City concept is very similiar to that of Darkness Falls.

If you did not play DAOC this is why. DAOC had a PVP system that ESO uses as its PVP system in Cyrodiil. About a year after launch DAOC added Darkness Falls (Imp City) By winning on the war map your alliance gained control of Darkness Falls. Generally this was the alliance that was the stronger side at the time. But by gaining control of Darkness Falls that would draw alot of the players to head there. Alot wanted to do the PVE because it offered elite gear and items that could ONLY be obtained their and was needed for your finally gear template. many others went just for PVP so they could clear the enemy alliance members out, which often had some good skirmish as well as hunting enemy players. There was also usually a final stand the enemy alliance would try to make in one area.

Now while all this was happening in Darkness Falls that alliance had lost alot of its Army in the frontiers (Cyrodiil) and now was losing the battle to control the keeps they were holding because both enemy alliance were attacking them. Then, eventually another alliance gained control of Darkness falls. And the circle would continue, It worked like a perfect balancing tool. Alot of people really enjoyed it because it brough some smaller scale PVP as well as huntng and tracking enemy players as well as some more mixed PVP /PVE encounters.

I know the Imperial City wont be the exact same but I am sure it will have a very similiar effect

6.5 years consecutive years of daoc from launch, here and another half a year scattered about later. Good post.

As to the guy saying "if I buy it I want it 24/7", well, no. If it is a paid dlc then you're not only buying it knowing how it will work, but additionally, you are not buying the game zones. You're buying the account access to use them during the course of normal gameplay, which may not mean 100 percent availability just like other facets of the game. Those range from raids, to pvp aspects, to dungeons (you don't have three other guys at your Beck and call to run right in? That's the same complaint you're making.), to even quests that are gated off by not having done a prerequisite such as leveling or a prior quest line. Common sense.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

You do have a point with this.

He really doesn't. I don't know about you, but I don't complain to DICE that I won't buy a new battlefield pack because my team may not push to the part of the map I want to play in that night.

Lionxoft · July 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

If you played Darkage of Camelot you know that the Imperial City concept is very similiar to that of Darkness Falls.

If you did not play DAOC this is why. DAOC had a PVP system that ESO uses as its PVP system in Cyrodiil. About a year after launch DAOC added Darkness Falls (Imp City) By winning on the war map your alliance gained control of Darkness Falls. Generally this was the alliance that was the stronger side at the time. But by gaining control of Darkness Falls that would draw alot of the players to head there. Alot wanted to do the PVE because it offered elite gear and items that could ONLY be obtained their and was needed for your finally gear template. many others went just for PVP so they could clear the enemy alliance members out, which often had some good skirmish as well as hunting enemy players. There was also usually a final stand the enemy alliance would try to make in one area.

Now while all this was happening in Darkness Falls that alliance had lost alot of its Army in the frontiers (Cyrodiil) and now was losing the battle to control the keeps they were holding because both enemy alliance were attacking them. Then, eventually another alliance gained control of Darkness falls. And the circle would continue, It worked like a perfect balancing tool. Alot of people really enjoyed it because it brough some smaller scale PVP as well as huntng and tracking enemy players as well as some more mixed PVP /PVE encounters.

I know the Imperial City wont be the exact same but I am sure it will have a very similiar effect

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

Nonsense argument. By your logic, it's stupid to put skyshards behind enemy gates, because it requires actual effort to get them, and they aren't always available. There shouldn't be lvl restrictions on gear because oh you paid for the game so you should have access instantly to everything. Trials are also a bad idea because oh no I have to be in group of 12, I can't do it solo.

How about you struggle and fight for that content, and feel rewarded when you finally get access to it huh?

You need a break, a cold shower and probably an alcoholic drink because you're spouting absolute nonsense right now. Struggling in the content is fine and fighting inside of the content is fine but struggling and fighting to start to play something that you purchased? Really?

That's like having to solve 50 riddles before opening up a new game. Yes, it's that ridiculous.

Lionxoft · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

You do have a point with this.

He really doesn't. I don't know about you, but I don't complain to DICE that I won't buy a new battlefield pack because my team may not push to the part of the map I want to play in that night.

@Attorneyatlawl

You're comparing DICE, who is owned by EA, to ZOS. You're also comparing a first person shooter to a casual mmorpg. Yes, it's casual in every aspect.

Take a moment and listen to yourself.

Next we are going to be hearing "Make sure to tell your neighbors and all your facebook friends about our DLC! Only 200 shares to unlock the new zone!"

CookieDoe · July 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

If you played Darkage of Camelot you know that the Imperial City concept is very similiar to that of Darkness Falls.

If you did not play DAOC this is why. DAOC had a PVP system that ESO uses as its PVP system in Cyrodiil. About a year after launch DAOC added Darkness Falls (Imp City) By winning on the war map your alliance gained control of Darkness Falls. Generally this was the alliance that was the stronger side at the time. But by gaining control of Darkness Falls that would draw alot of the players to head there. Alot wanted to do the PVE because it offered elite gear and items that could ONLY be obtained their and was needed for your finally gear template. many others went just for PVP so they could clear the enemy alliance members out, which often had some good skirmish as well as hunting enemy players. There was also usually a final stand the enemy alliance would try to make in one area.

Now while all this was happening in Darkness Falls that alliance had lost alot of its Army in the frontiers (Cyrodiil) and now was losing the battle to control the keeps they were holding because both enemy alliance were attacking them. Then, eventually another alliance gained control of Darkness falls. And the circle would continue, It worked like a perfect balancing tool. Alot of people really enjoyed it because it brough some smaller scale PVP as well as huntng and tracking enemy players as well as some more mixed PVP /PVE encounters.

I know the Imperial City wont be the exact same but I am sure it will have a very similiar effect

I suspect that it won't balance AvA very much (if at all). The organized groups that capture keeps & scrolls will continue fighting in Cyrodiil even after they've taken keeps to block opposing factions from accessing the Imperial City.

You can't say that yet, we don't know what the draw to IC will be. If there is enough incentive to go inside, dominating factions will have less defense and it WILL balance out the campaigns.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

Nonsense argument. By your logic, it's stupid to put skyshards behind enemy gates, because it requires actual effort to get them, and they aren't always available. There shouldn't be lvl restrictions on gear because oh you paid for the game so you should have access instantly to everything. Trials are also a bad idea because oh no I have to be in group of 12, I can't do it solo.

How about you struggle and fight for that content, and feel rewarded when you finally get access to it huh?

Darkness falls was the most amazing part of DAoC for me, I can only hope that IC goes in a similar direction.

And for all whiners who complain about its system, you've never tried it, so quit complaining before getting your hands on it !

You are mental to think people enjoy paying for something and then earning the right to use it if people across the land do there part. That's ignorant logic indeed. Yes it should be open to those who paid for the content. That's why no one plays Dark Ages of Camelot anymore. The idea of new content easily accessible to all customers will keep generating new customers and more revenue that's simple business logic. The key phrase, "easily accessible."
A compromise would be to have a PVE area and PVP area in IC for those who completed the dungeon PVE and those with the PVP accomplishment.

@Lionxoft brilliant statements by the way. I would have deleted mine but can't seem to. You are absolutely right this is a casual MMORPG. Not bloody battlefield or destiny. If this guy really wants PVP warfare in a MMORPG then maybe offer up useful comments with solutions or compromises.
Just a thought.

Zheg · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

So there will be paid DLC that I cannot enter unless my entire faction is winning in PvP at that time? Sounds like a bad idea. There is no way I am paying for DLC unless I can access that DLC anytime I want, just like I can access all the rest of the game content anytime I want. That is like buying a nice new car and being told you can only drive it if thousands of people you don't know and can't control are winning NASCAR races.

You do have a point with this.

He really doesn't. I don't know about you, but I don't complain to DICE that I won't buy a new battlefield pack because my team may not push to the part of the map I want to play in that night.

Dude, you'd throw a fit just like most of the rest of the players of a faction if Imperial City dropped and you were unable to even go inside it for the first few weeks because one or both factions decided to troll yours. It's a legitimate concern that should have a safeguard of some kind built into how it works, even though having seen the pvp maps the last week or so, (at least on NA PC) all three factions shouldn't have issues getting inside. But that doesn't mean it can't happen. Remember, the original idea was that you needed to have control of all 6 emp keeps to be able to go inside, and it didn't take a genius to realize how quickly that would have failed.

Again, lately DC on NA PC seems to have woken up or something, but I remember playing on Haderus for multiple weeks in a row where DC was lucky if we had any keep beyond glademist. With the changes coming down the pipe for campaign hopping, you would be livid if you were stuck on a campaign like that when imperial city drops and you couldn't even go inside.

There are still problems with night capping and whatnot. If your only availability to play is when all of the campaigns are night-capped and your faction is stuck at one bar while the other/s are pop locked or at 3 bars, you're screwed and won't be able to even step foot into Imperial City. If you don't think it's an issue, go check out Haderus/Azura in the morning and take a look. It's not a problem for us because we play during NA primetime, but anyone that can't play during that window of time could be royally screwed.

So, he absolutely does have a point.

CN_Daniel · July 2015

FireCowCommando wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There will be more information about access rules, death, and relogging mechanics when we release official info soon Also note that many points made in this, and many other threads, have been taken into account over the course of development.

Has there been changes to access rules, re spawning and other rule changes from what's already been announced?

Quit posting here and get back in da game! BATTLE! Edit: Don't make me come to Jurassic park to find you!

bosmern_ESO · July 2015

I just can't wait for it to come out, because most people already know the environment around keeps and they know how to use it to their advantage. When we go into the imperial city it will be new for everyone and we'll all be learning the environment/areas

cozmon3c_ESO · July 2015

Ive been waiting a while for this and paying a monthly fee in hopes to see this someday, earlier really. I'd be upset if i have to pay for this DLC after spending over a year paying a Sub fee, if anything PC players should get access this content for free after paying all year with no new content.

Lorkhan · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

There will be more information about access rules, death, and relogging mechanics when we release official info soon Also note that many points made in this, and many other threads, have been taken into account over the course of development.

SOON??

ZOS_BrianWheeler · July 2015

You forgot to add the "™"