With Level Going Up to VR16 Will Guards/Monsters in Cyrodiil Also Gain a Level or Two?

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

Now that players will be at VR16 will the guards and monsters in Cyrodiil get a bump in level as well? Using the current system I would assume they should be bumped to VR14.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · July 2015

Guards\NPCs\Monsters will go to 14, and Battle leveling will be bumped as well to compensate.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Guards\NPCs\Monsters will go to 14, and Battle leveling will be bumped as well to compensate.

Like @Publius_Scipio said, seemed to be a safe assumption... but a direct post to clear it up entirely is better.

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

Wouldn't have been right to deny the guards bigger biceps to compensate.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wouldn't have been right to deny the guards bigger biceps to compensate.

ROFL. I think I ran into you at the Wayrest wayshrine about a week ago...

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Ezareth · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Guards\NPCs\Monsters will go to 14, and Battle leveling will be bumped as well to compensate.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Will you guys release V16 PvP bags with the bump to Vet 16 as well? In the past this always happened several patches after the fact and that is a PITA.

Master_Kas · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Guards\NPCs\Monsters will go to 14, and Battle leveling will be bumped as well to compensate.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Will you guys release V16 PvP bags with the bump to Vet 16 as well? In the past this always happened several patches after the fact and that is a PITA.

I really hope they do that within the same patch. But knowing ZOS sometimes..

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wouldn't have been right to deny the guards bigger biceps to compensate.

ROFL. I think I ran into you at the Wayrest wayshrine about a week ago... .

Very possible.

GaldorP · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Guards\NPCs\Monsters will go to 14, and Battle leveling will be bumped as well to compensate.

That's good to know

I hope there will be some place in PvE zones as well where VR 16 chars can still gain some XP or everyone will be forced to go to PvP zones or VDSA to gain XP at VR 16 ><

Ghostbane · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Guards\NPCs\Monsters will go to 14, and Battle leveling will be bumped as well to compensate.

Any chance on crafting nodes in Cyro to be scaled up as well? You know, instead of zerging about, would like to do a bit of mining.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · July 2015

Scaling crafting nodes isn't planned for this update but possibly in a future one

It's been a long standing request both internally and externally.

Quantine · July 2015

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Ezareth · July 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Scaling crafting nodes isn't planned for this update but possibly in a future one It's been a long standing request both internally and externally.

So I take it PvP vendor gear will not be updated to V16 then?

Raizin · July 2015

haha no pvp v16 gear... classic zos..

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Raizin wrote: »

haha no pvp v16 gear... classic zos..

He didn't say that as far as I've seen. Got a link?

Fruitdog · July 2015

Maybe he hasn't even heard of the PVP vendor, just like I haven't heard of the spell power mundus stone.

Preyfar · July 2015

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

Hmm so does that mean it be harder to take empty keeps. Depending on what group it is that is. Like say no more of 5 or 6 players taking a entire keep.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

Plus they said removal is a long time goal not something there bringing in update 7 or even 8 but maybe pfft like 10 or 11. Cause they pretty much have to re-design the entire game mainly the vet zones and craglorn and the upcoming imperial city orsinum and the clock work city to revolve around regular levels instead of vet levels.

Quantine · July 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

Do we already know exactly how they will change it? Any links?

And it's a stupid change anyway. People with 200-300 CPs already have nearly infinite resources, this will only get worse, no matter the planned damage reduction in Cyro. And having to re-buy gear (grind dailies again!!!) because of that will not make people like the game more. It's those little things so annoying that let the glass spill over eventually.

Not to mention that they will of course forget to scale many sets and will probably mess up others that they scaled, introducing so much bug-potential....

Quantine · July 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so does that mean it be harder to take empty keeps. Depending on what group it is that is. Like say no more of 5 or 6 players taking a entire keep.

You can already take keeps with less than 5 people, I don't think that will change much if the guards need one more hit. And you'll be higher level too..soo..

Ezareth · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

haha no pvp v16 gear... classic zos..

He didn't say that as far as I've seen. Got a link?

He didn't confirm the presence of them either. Considering they didn't have V12 or V14 PvP bags until months after those veteran ranks were released and the fact he ignored the question despite obviously reading it and answering another question asked afterwards is confirmation enough for me.

/sigh

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

haha no pvp v16 gear... classic zos..

He didn't say that as far as I've seen. Got a link?

He didn't confirm the presence of them either. Considering they didn't have V12 or V14 PvP bags until months after those veteran ranks were released and the fact he ignored the question despite obviously reading it and answering another question asked afterwards is confirmation enough for me.

/sigh

I could have sworn that Brian Wheeler mentioned that Eric Wrobel and his team are in charge of things like rewards for the worthy etc. Is it possible that your VR16 bags are a question for Eric Wrobel?

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

haha no pvp v16 gear... classic zos..

He didn't say that as far as I've seen. Got a link?

He didn't confirm the presence of them either. Considering they didn't have V12 or V14 PvP bags until months after those veteran ranks were released and the fact he ignored the question despite obviously reading it and answering another question asked afterwards is confirmation enough for me.

/sigh

Really, now... they were in the same day as those patches introducing the new veteran ranks each time. Why would you assume this won't be the same? There wasn't a delay of "months after". Not immediately answering a question that hadn't even been asked (his response was to someone talking about harvesting nodes in Cyrodiil. You know... wood, ore, etc.?), not vendor purchasables. Inserting a random new question by quoting a response to something else entirely and then complaining it wasn't answered isn't good form. Guess what? While he'll probably pop back in to answer now that you actually asked... it still would be meaningless as to what the case is, if he doesn't. So now it's not, "He said this!" but suddenly "he didn't say anything yet when it was asked!", except.... it wasn't asked in the first place.

Sallington · July 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

I think everyone expects level caps to be raised in an MMO eventually. The problem is increasing them by 2 every few months. Gear "resets" should happen with full expansions and larger level cap raises. The increase from vr14-vr16 is nothing but a giant pain in the ass.

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

The more relevant question you should be asking for your concern, is "What's the point in removing the veteran system?"

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

I think everyone expects level caps to be raised in an MMO eventually. The problem is increasing them by 2 every few months. Gear "resets" should happen with full expansions and larger level cap raises. The increase from vr14-vr16 is nothing but a giant pain in the ass.

Fact: there hasn't been a level increase for about a year now. Fact: Most games do a reset with level cap increases. Fact: ESO doesn't do a reset with level cap increases. Proof:

If you feel forced to replace identical gear for stats that amount to under a tenth of one percent of power, that's on you. The only thing you could say is "but new items will come!", to which you'd have to be against any game additions at all to think is a bad thing.

Sallington · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

I think everyone expects level caps to be raised in an MMO eventually. The problem is increasing them by 2 every few months. Gear "resets" should happen with full expansions and larger level cap raises. The increase from vr14-vr16 is nothing but a giant pain in the ass.

Fact: there hasn't been a level increase for about a year now. Fact: Most games do a reset with level cap increases. Fact: ESO doesn't do a reset with level cap increases. Proof:

If you feel forced to replace identical gear for stats that amount to under a tenth of one percent of power, that's on you. The only thing you could say is "but new items will come!", to which you'd have to be against any game additions at all to think is a bad thing.

Then what is the point of them increasing the level cap at all? Besides them spending more time on things that aren't important problems?

Attorneyatlawl · July 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

I think everyone expects level caps to be raised in an MMO eventually. The problem is increasing them by 2 every few months. Gear "resets" should happen with full expansions and larger level cap raises. The increase from vr14-vr16 is nothing but a giant pain in the ass.

Fact: there hasn't been a level increase for about a year now. Fact: Most games do a reset with level cap increases. Fact: ESO doesn't do a reset with level cap increases. Proof:

If you feel forced to replace identical gear for stats that amount to under a tenth of one percent of power, that's on you. The only thing you could say is "but new items will come!", to which you'd have to be against any game additions at all to think is a bad thing.

Then what is the point of them increasing the level cap at all? Besides them spending more time on things that aren't important problems?

Fun factor (it's enjoyable to see your XP bar moving along when playing, just like your AP bar

).. Appearance. The in game economy (draining excess materials used to upgrade when people feel compelled to, or want to, replace gear). Moneysinks to help prevent MUDflation. PR (come try this new stuff!). I can come up with a lot.

Ezareth · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

haha no pvp v16 gear... classic zos..

He didn't say that as far as I've seen. Got a link?

He didn't confirm the presence of them either. Considering they didn't have V12 or V14 PvP bags until months after those veteran ranks were released and the fact he ignored the question despite obviously reading it and answering another question asked afterwards is confirmation enough for me.

/sigh

Really, now... they were in the same day as those patches introducing the new veteran ranks each time. Why would you assume this won't be the same? There wasn't a delay of "months after". Not immediately answering a question that hadn't even been asked (his response was to someone talking about harvesting nodes in Cyrodiil. You know... wood, ore, etc.?), not vendor purchasables. Inserting a random new question by quoting a response to something else entirely and then complaining it wasn't answered isn't good form. Guess what? While he'll probably pop back in to answer now that you actually asked... it still would be meaningless as to what the case is, if he doesn't. So now it's not, "He said this!" but suddenly "he didn't say anything yet when it was asked!", except.... it wasn't asked in the first place.

PvP *bags* were not in place the same day as release of V14 veteran ranks. PvP gear from the vendors has been in place for most of the gear. I was using V12 Archmage for some time after V14 was introduced. There was a similar issue when Vet 12 was introduced where many of the Vendor PvP items were stuck at Vet rank 10. This is a pretty big concern for most of the veteran PvPers who actually use these sets and I'm sure carebears as well since some sets are BiS for carebear setups as well. Having the answer to this question could mean the difference between spending AP now for many people or waiting until the patch is released.

I mentioned this issue in PTS testing back before V14 came out and it was overlooked then.

My question closely mirrors the original question that Brian answered so it isn't a "Random" new question or "bad form".

Quantine · July 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

What's the point in bringing out v16 when you actually want to remove the veteran system?

Because eventually the Veteran System will be converted into levels (or whatnot) and the additional progress will scale accordingly? What does it matter if it's VR16 or Level 65?

I think everyone expects level caps to be raised in an MMO eventually. The problem is increasing them by 2 every few months. Gear "resets" should happen with full expansions and larger level cap raises. The increase from vr14-vr16 is nothing but a giant pain in the ass.

Fact: there hasn't been a level increase for about a year now. Fact: Most games do a reset with level cap increases. Fact: ESO doesn't do a reset with level cap increases. Proof:

If you feel forced to replace identical gear for stats that amount to under a tenth of one percent of power, that's on you. The only thing you could say is "but new items will come!", to which you'd have to be against any game additions at all to think is a bad thing.

Then what is the point of them increasing the level cap at all? Besides them spending more time on things that aren't important problems?

Fun factor (it's enjoyable to see your XP bar moving along when playing, just like your AP bar ).. Appearance. The in game economy (draining excess materials used to upgrade when people feel compelled to, or want to, replace gear). Moneysinks to help prevent MUDflation. PR (come try this new stuff!). I can come up with a lot.

Hm, sorry, but the few hours it takes to level up don't really matter to me and don't feel like fun. And the other reasons seem a bit too unimportant to me compared to dedicating resources to solving lag issues, improving the UI, fixing bugs, etc. When a not really needed change to VR levels takes priority over serious issues, you know that something in the company isn't going great