MCMancub wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

This is not a good poll. You realize each class has multiple roles, right? I would argue Magicka DK is far and away the best, but if I vote DK it's likely to give the impression I mean stamina DK.

There is no distinction between Magicka and Stamina NB or Templar, either.

A fair argument but as this is a broad view of classes you could argue that your decision is should include how well classes can synergise with each resource. For instance NB (surprise surprise) are able to play both magicka and stamina very successfully with each option offering a lot of diversity. Templar would come a close second in this respect (minus the diversity) but DKs are far behind the curve in third place with sorcs sitting at the bottom of the ladder with magicka being the only truly viable option. Thus I would continue to argue that NBs are the strongest class in PvP because it is irrelevant which resource they focus on.

Also I fail to see how you can categorise magicka DKs as the strongest class in PvP. In the right hands it can do spectacularly well, granted, but short of doing excellent damage it lacks strength largely because the class has suffered nerf after nerf as a result of QQ on this very forum.

That's exactly why this is such a terrible poll. Magicka and Stamina NB play wildly differently and have very different roles. One is a very, very niche playstyle that can only do well in select situations, the other isn't. Let's lump them together because they both say "Nightblade"? Bad poll is bad. Admit it.

You've not been around the block if you don't recognize that Magicka DK is head over heels better than every other class right now.

I still see your point but I think if we are looking at things from a broader prospective.

I've "been around the block" a fair few times and I'm afraid I don't see what you're saying about magicka DKs. They have a lot of damage and can keep the pressure up great in 1v1 situations but beyond that I don't see how they could be considered as strong as NBs who have equal damage and significantly more survivability.

Edit: on a side note, are you a Nightblade, per chance?

I don't understand, Magicka DK's are BEST in situations with multiple characters. They can easily take out 4-5 players by themselves (provided they are good and know what they're doing). It's what they're built to do: overtime, aoe damage. Nightblades can't do this.

Any class can do this if played well. It is very easily done with a Nightblade, arguably easier than with a Magicka DK who are a lot squishier than their stamina counterparts. If you can't kill multiple people with your NB it is probably because you are playing a cheesy one shot gank build or you are just bad. Perhaps both.

There are notable examples of magicka DKs being able to fight multiple players and kill many of them, however I am sure they would happily admit if even one of those players are remotely competent things get a lot harder. If two of those players are competent it becomes impossible to do much but stay very defensive as a magicka DK, and sooner or later they will melt.

I could be mistaken but at a guess I'd say your opinion is jaded as some who gets regularly rekt by magicka DKs, most likely because you are one of these aforementioned stam ganking NBs who can't dodge roll away from the DK's hard hitting whip (QQ).

Tolmos wrote: »

So everyone saying NB is the strongest... what build? Stam bow? Magicka? Tank? DW? All of the above?

• Stam bow - able to one shot people with the right build.
• Magicka - crazy damage if played correctly.
• Tank - played correctly can tank as long as most DKs, with the changes upcoming in 2.1 NB tanking will be even stronger due to their ability to gain resources through the use of siphoning attacks.
• DW - Steel tornado. Long range AOE + execute. By far the best AOE in game and for group play, able to be used by every class but synergises especially with NBs because of their ability to manage resources far easier than any class alongside the stealth bonus. DW as a magicka build also very viable as it increase their already insane burst damage mentioned above.

So yes, all of the above.

Love how everyone is voting nightblade. Probably solely based on the fact that they solo gank well.

Fact is, pvp in this game is based on large group fights, and nightblades lack the aoe, shields, or heals that you need to be effective there.

I'm going to go with dk (magicka) or templar (magicka), as both are exceptionally strong in group combat.

Garion wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

So everyone saying NB is the strongest... what build? Stam bow? Magicka? Tank? DW? All of the above?

• Stam bow - able to one shot people with the right build.
• Magicka - crazy damage if played correctly.
• Tank - played correctly can tank as long as most DKs, with the changes upcoming in 2.1 NB tanking will be even stronger due to their ability to gain resources through the use of siphoning attacks.
• DW - Steel tornado. Long range AOE + execute. By far the best AOE in game and for group play, able to be used by every class but synergises especially with NBs because of their ability to manage resources far easier than any class alongside the stealth bonus. DW as a magicka build also very viable as it increase their already insane burst damage mentioned above.

So yes, all of the above.

[*] Stam - molten Arament onehsoot DK
[*] Magicka - Tanky and a dmg Output that most Players *** ther pants
[*] Tank, well ist a dk even with the coming patch i see no prob here, there will just be a Change of 1 stat more mag reg = more tank, casting Earthen Heart skills restor 700 Stam at a pool from 14k
[*] well steel Tornado is a weap skill so all class can run arround with this broken op aoe execute skill

I voted for my class because I play it.
Have not done well in pvp since october.

DK's, yeah maybe 8 months and 20 nerfs ago. Weapon skills should not be confused with class skills.

Sorcs and NB's by far. Problem is that too many NB's are now macrocheating.

MCMancub wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

So everyone saying NB is the strongest... what build? Stam bow? Magicka? Tank? DW? All of the above?

• Stam bow - able to one shot people with the right build.
• Magicka - crazy damage if played correctly.
• Tank - played correctly can tank as long as most DKs, with the changes upcoming in 2.1 NB tanking will be even stronger due to their ability to gain resources through the use of siphoning attacks.
• DW - Steel tornado. Long range AOE + execute. By far the best AOE in game and for group play, able to be used by every class but synergises especially with NBs because of their ability to manage resources far easier than any class alongside the stealth bonus. DW as a magicka build also very viable as it increase their already insane burst damage mentioned above.

So yes, all of the above.

[*] Stam - molten Arament onehsoot DK
[*] Magicka - Tanky and a dmg Output that most Players *** ther pants
[*] Tank, well ist a dk even with the coming patch i see no prob here, there will just be a Change of 1 stat more mag reg = more tank, casting Earthen Heart skills restor 700 Stam at a pool from 14k
[*] well steel Tornado is a weap skill so all class can run arround with this broken op aoe execute skill

Quit trying to reason with people who think NB are OP because they get ganked.

Typical NB complainer:
player1- NBs are OP!
player2- Why?
player1- ~Starts mentioning a bunch of weapon abilities and stamina builds advantages~.

I really don't understand questions along these lines. As has been pointed out PvP is designed to be a large group function, one on one battles do happen but generally the person who gets the surprised first hit in generally wins. You really need to define "best" to me this means a build that can effectively add to the overall effort of the PvP goal which is to claim and hold keeps. Sometimes it is the back end healer keeping everyone alive, sometimes is is the front line tank in peoples face forcing them to deal with me, sometimes it is the stealth scout/assassin prowling around looking for opportune moments of weakness to exploit. All these roles and builds are fun so depending on the mood they would be "best" for me. I really dislike this thought of trying to achieve balance based on a one on one comparison. If a build can add to a fight then it doesn't need to match every other build in every situation.

BuggeX wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Love how everyone is voting nightblade. Probably solely based on the fact that they solo gank well.

Fact is, pvp in this game is based on large group fights, and nightblades lack the aoe, shields, or heals that you need to be effective there.

I'm going to go with dk (magicka) or templar (magicka), as both are exceptionally strong in group combat.

lol no, nbs have the best pvp group aoe ingame, sap essence or if u play stamina steel tornado

i guess you never heard of the Standard of might?

Nobody stays in the standard anymore. Even when I use the shifting one. It was OP a year ago when the players didnt know how to break the root and didnt have so much stamina regen.

Looks like NB's have had fun during the gank weeks. NBs are op against low levels, but DK is easily the King.

sorc atm but not for long after changes
gonna have do say dk immune to most ranged damage thanks to scales will out dps anything in melee including nb unless nb gets the drop. then there is talon spam which with the new dodge roll changes will be the meta.