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Where are the spears? we want spears and polearms!!!!!
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Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The reason we don't have it:
1. Devs are too lazy to bother
2. Zos hasn't figured out a way to charge us for it yetPS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank1 -
MattD86ub17_ESOSoul Shrivenso want a spear/polearm skill line on its own for my templar! want some thrust skills like from the aedric spear line, and a jumping skill like a dragoon. passives will focus on armor penetration and crit and possible knockback0 -
Zurixadai✭✭✭I want spears/lances pretty badly, and I can't imagine how a world like this survives without them. In all reality, it was fairly early in history when mankind looked at prey and said, "I really want to stab that thing and eat it, but I also don't want to be standing right next to it while doing so. I should put a sharp thing on a long stick."
So, while I'd love to see a spear/lance skill line, I'm honestly willing to settle for the smallest, laziest implementation for this. As such, here's the simplest suggestion I can work up:
As I'm sure you all know, one-handed and two-handed weapons mirror each other: swords and greatswords both passively deal more damage, axes and battle axes both passively cause bleeds, maces and mauls both passively ignore armor. Daggers, however, have no parallel on the two-handed side. My idea is: maybe spears/lances could fill that void in some way, essentially being a "sharp thing on a long stick."
However, I would suggest: where daggers passively grant bonus critical chance, I would have spears/lances passively grant critical damage (similar to the Shadow Mundus Stone's effect). In theory, this should avoid having a two-handed weapon smashing around with critical strikes seventy percent of the time, but also give them just enough "burst damage" to have their own appeal and/or utility. Additionally, as some of you stated, passively granting bonus "reach" is also a cool idea.
As far as aesthetics go, I admit, I'd want spears or lances to have a different idle animation and/or attack animations from the rest of two-handed weapons. But I can't imagine it'd take a monumental effort to make that function properly.
And just like that, we'd have spears/lances that easily fit into ESO's paradigm so far, have their own utility of sorts, and look cool. And obviously, we'd have spears, which... yeah, I'd make a character for them immediately.
I still wouldn't be able to spear-and-shield, by this model (or dual wield them), but like I said, I'm willing to settle.Edited by Zurixadai on October 10, 2016 9:46AMWishlists:
Gameplay Wishlist:-Winterhold [In all of its still-standing, pre-sunken, "rivaling Solitude" glory!]
-Frost class/skill line [Wardens count!]
-Unarmed/monk class or skill line
-Polearms/spears skill line [Aedric Spear counts, but...]
-Bound Weapons skill line [Casters should have more than sticks, yeah?]
-More skill lines in general
Housing Wishlist:-Structure pieces, by the thousands! Walls, doors, stairs; everything from every racial/architectural style
-More functional furniture: doors that open/close, portals to travel throughout one home, etc
-"Lairs" or something similar: another separate, instanced space inside of a home
-NPC's: guards and bards, all day
-The Golden Vendor, but able to be placed in homes [Might help with some excess Cyrodiil traffic, maybe?]
-The Luxury Furnisher, but also able to be placed in homes [... Look, homes are huge and I'm tired of them being empty]
-Boat house [Fair Winds absolutely counts!]
-Boat furnishings in general
-Respec/redidication shrines
-Wayshrines [I can just port to a guildmate, I guess, but...]
-Undaunted pledge billboards/Undaunted NPC's
-Crafting writ billboards
-More mount/pet functionality when placed [Pathing counts!]
-Guild bank/store access
-Ability to repair gear at home [If traveling merchants in the middle of nowhere can do it, why can't I?]
-Other, smaller, fun functionality, like farming or mini-games [Tales of Tribute absolutely counts!]
QoL Wishlist:-Text search boxes [Praise Tall Papa, thank you.]
-Item conversion/transmogrification [Outfit stations absolutely count!]
-Previewer/dressing room [Outfit stations absolutely count!]
-Instead of Arms Packs (or in addition to them), just sell me the blasted VFX
-Gear loadouts [Armory system counts!]
-Skill loadouts Armory system counts!
-Cloaks [I know you said no, but I'm not taking it off my list.]0 -
MightyHarken✭✭✭I want spears/lances pretty badly, and I can't imagine how a world like this survives without them. In all reality, it was fairly early in history when mankind looked at prey and said, "I really want to stab that thing and eat it, but I also don't want to be standing right next to it while doing so. I should put a sharp thing on a long stick."
So, while I'd love to see a spear/lance skill line, I'm honestly willing to settle for the smallest, laziest implementation for this. As such, here's the simplest suggestion I can work up:
As I'm sure you all know, one-handed and two-handed weapons mirror each other: swords and greatswords both passively deal more damage, axes and battle axes both passively cause bleeds, maces and mauls both passively ignore armor. Daggers, however, have no parallel on the two-handed side. My idea is: maybe spears/lances could fill that void in some way, essentially being a "sharp thing on a long stick."
However, I would suggest: where daggers passively grant bonus critical chance, I would have spears/lances passively grant critical damage (similar to the Shadow Mundus Stone's effect). In theory, this should avoid having a two-handed weapon smashing around with critical strikes seventy percent of the time, but also give them just enough "burst damage" to have their own appeal and/or utility. Additionally, as some of you stated, passively granting bonus "reach" is also a cool idea.
As far as aesthetics go, I admit, I'd want spears or lances to have a different idle animation and/or attack animations from the rest of two-handed weapons. But I can't imagine it'd take a monumental effort to make that function properly.
And just like that, we'd have spears/lances that easily fit into ESO's paradigm so far, have their own utility of sorts, and look cool. And obviously, we'd have spears, which... yeah, I'd make a character for them immediately.
I still wouldn't be able to to spear-and-shield, by this model (or dual wield them), but like I said, I'm willing to settle.
Very nice idea, let's hope ZOs get's to read this thread so it can actually be a thing, if you'd be so nice as to try and keep it on the front page to help me achieve this, I would appreciate it very much.
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rb2001✭✭✭✭Where is your spear? Where did you last put it? Shamelessly relaying a joke someone said in game.0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭However, I would suggest: where daggers passively grant bonus critical chance, I would have spears/lances passively grant critical damage (similar to the Shadow Mundus Stone's effect). In theory, this should avoid having a two-handed weapon smashing around with critical strikes seventy percent of the time, but also give them just enough "burst damage" to have their own appeal and/or utility. Additionally, as some of you stated, passively granting bonus "reach" is also a cool idea.
Personally I've always wanted to see them change axes and battleaxes to bonus critical damage, leaving polearms as the crit-chance version of 2h weapons (where daggers provide crit chance for dual wield). Range is a given, but isnt something that needs to be added if polearms are added as part of the 2h line (which already has extended range on attacks compared to 1h/shield or dual wield).
The bleed mechanic currently attributed to axes and battleaxes is glitchy and does not make them worth using over maces or swords. Critical damage would suit an axe better, anyhow, as they're a weapon type that causes grievous wounds.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank0 -
MightyHarken✭✭✭However, I would suggest: where daggers passively grant bonus critical chance, I would have spears/lances passively grant critical damage (similar to the Shadow Mundus Stone's effect). In theory, this should avoid having a two-handed weapon smashing around with critical strikes seventy percent of the time, but also give them just enough "burst damage" to have their own appeal and/or utility. Additionally, as some of you stated, passively granting bonus "reach" is also a cool idea.
Personally I've always wanted to see them change axes and battleaxes to bonus critical damage, leaving polearms as the crit-chance version of 2h weapons (where daggers provide crit chance for dual wield). Range is a given, but isnt something that needs to be added if polearms are added as part of the 2h line (which already has extended range on attacks compared to 1h/shield or dual wield).
The bleed mechanic currently attributed to axes and battleaxes is glitchy and does not make them worth using over maces or swords. Critical damage would suit an axe better, anyhow, as they're a weapon type that causes grievous wounds.
Truer words have not been spoken0 -
Zurixadai✭✭✭Personally I've always wanted to see them change axes and battleaxes to bonus critical damage, leaving polearms as the crit-chance version of 2h weapons (where daggers provide crit chance for dual wield). Range is a given, but isnt something that needs to be added if polearms are added as part of the 2h line (which already has extended range on attacks compared to 1h/shield or dual wield).
The bleed mechanic currently attributed to axes and battleaxes is glitchy and does not make them worth using over maces or swords. Critical damage would suit an axe better, anyhow, as they're a weapon type that causes grievous wounds.
That sounds fine too! Like I said, I'm not picky. I'll settle for literally the simplest, laziest implementation of spears they can possibly imagine. As long as they exist, I'm happy.
Interesting that axes/battleaxes don't function properly, though. Good to know.Wishlists:
Gameplay Wishlist:-Winterhold [In all of its still-standing, pre-sunken, "rivaling Solitude" glory!]
-Frost class/skill line [Wardens count!]
-Unarmed/monk class or skill line
-Polearms/spears skill line [Aedric Spear counts, but...]
-Bound Weapons skill line [Casters should have more than sticks, yeah?]
-More skill lines in general
Housing Wishlist:-Structure pieces, by the thousands! Walls, doors, stairs; everything from every racial/architectural style
-More functional furniture: doors that open/close, portals to travel throughout one home, etc
-"Lairs" or something similar: another separate, instanced space inside of a home
-NPC's: guards and bards, all day
-The Golden Vendor, but able to be placed in homes [Might help with some excess Cyrodiil traffic, maybe?]
-The Luxury Furnisher, but also able to be placed in homes [... Look, homes are huge and I'm tired of them being empty]
-Boat house [Fair Winds absolutely counts!]
-Boat furnishings in general
-Respec/redidication shrines
-Wayshrines [I can just port to a guildmate, I guess, but...]
-Undaunted pledge billboards/Undaunted NPC's
-Crafting writ billboards
-More mount/pet functionality when placed [Pathing counts!]
-Guild bank/store access
-Ability to repair gear at home [If traveling merchants in the middle of nowhere can do it, why can't I?]
-Other, smaller, fun functionality, like farming or mini-games [Tales of Tribute absolutely counts!]
QoL Wishlist:-Text search boxes [Praise Tall Papa, thank you.]
-Item conversion/transmogrification [Outfit stations absolutely count!]
-Previewer/dressing room [Outfit stations absolutely count!]
-Instead of Arms Packs (or in addition to them), just sell me the blasted VFX
-Gear loadouts [Armory system counts!]
-Skill loadouts Armory system counts!
-Cloaks [I know you said no, but I'm not taking it off my list.]0 -
MightyHarken✭✭✭Yeah I dont use battle axes for the reason that they dont really work well. I think the 2h sword is the best choice of weapon in dps matters.0
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I was looking for a thread like this! Glad I checked before I made one. Basically... I want spears too. That's about it!
Oh, also, maybe scythes. I was a huge fan of the Dervish in GW and being able to wield a scythe with a robe would just make me the happiest person in the world.0 -
MightyHarken✭✭✭For now lances would be an appropiate addition, I only hope the devs would post something in here so I can know my post as a meaning and it's not just a random rant lol0
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Zurixadai✭✭✭Truth is, it's probably never going to happen. It would've been much easier to simply add spears at the beginning instead of designing an entire skill-line (Aedric Spear) around the idea. They said Aedric Spear should "satiate people who wanted to play with spears," or some such. Eh.
I'm with you, though. I want some spears or lances.Wishlists:
Gameplay Wishlist:-Winterhold [In all of its still-standing, pre-sunken, "rivaling Solitude" glory!]
-Frost class/skill line [Wardens count!]
-Unarmed/monk class or skill line
-Polearms/spears skill line [Aedric Spear counts, but...]
-Bound Weapons skill line [Casters should have more than sticks, yeah?]
-More skill lines in general
Housing Wishlist:-Structure pieces, by the thousands! Walls, doors, stairs; everything from every racial/architectural style
-More functional furniture: doors that open/close, portals to travel throughout one home, etc
-"Lairs" or something similar: another separate, instanced space inside of a home
-NPC's: guards and bards, all day
-The Golden Vendor, but able to be placed in homes [Might help with some excess Cyrodiil traffic, maybe?]
-The Luxury Furnisher, but also able to be placed in homes [... Look, homes are huge and I'm tired of them being empty]
-Boat house [Fair Winds absolutely counts!]
-Boat furnishings in general
-Respec/redidication shrines
-Wayshrines [I can just port to a guildmate, I guess, but...]
-Undaunted pledge billboards/Undaunted NPC's
-Crafting writ billboards
-More mount/pet functionality when placed [Pathing counts!]
-Guild bank/store access
-Ability to repair gear at home [If traveling merchants in the middle of nowhere can do it, why can't I?]
-Other, smaller, fun functionality, like farming or mini-games [Tales of Tribute absolutely counts!]
QoL Wishlist:-Text search boxes [Praise Tall Papa, thank you.]
-Item conversion/transmogrification [Outfit stations absolutely count!]
-Previewer/dressing room [Outfit stations absolutely count!]
-Instead of Arms Packs (or in addition to them), just sell me the blasted VFX
-Gear loadouts [Armory system counts!]
-Skill loadouts Armory system counts!
-Cloaks [I know you said no, but I'm not taking it off my list.]0 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Apparently spear/polearm moves and animations are boring. Nobody tell this guy:
https://youtu.be/cWaOdv28noo?t=1m39s
LOL.
ZOS, a future update with the addition of Spears, Polarms, or even BOW STAVES would be RAD.
Although a bow staff functions similarly to a spear and is less cool so...
Edited by kadar on July 11, 2015 2:38AM0 -
MightyHarken✭✭✭Perhaps after seeing the implementation of spears in the game we could get other types of weapons but for now, spears would suffice for everyone, what do you guys think0
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MightyHarken✭✭✭Let's hope we can get a response from ZOS, I wish they would say something on here lol0
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ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭Adding spears would be a great way to balance Argonian racials; since in Morrowind (the last ES game with spears) Argonians had racial skills which boosted spears.
Two birds... One spear-shaped stone."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?1 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭MightyHarken wrote: »Spear is one thing and a light spear is another thing,
As in a spear, and a javelin0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apparently spear/polearm moves and animations are boring. Nobody tell this guy:https://youtu.be/cWaOdv28noo?t=1m39s
Such a sad scene from the series, he would've beat the mountain if he stopped gloating and just dealt a killing blow, but instead he had to do 'the talk' and let his guard down.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank0 -
KalbumSoul ShrivenI think the combo spear or javelin+shield would be great with redguards, I really dont know but it feels lore accurate. I mean whats more bad ass that a long beared bald redguard with a spear?Kalbum0
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Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont want spears.
I want crossbows.
I want both. Well, polearms and crossbows, not so interested in the 1h spears.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank0 -
MightyHarken✭✭✭I'm interested in anything that helps the game get better, but for the moment spears/lances/polearms would be so badass, what do we need to do to get this in the hands of Zenimax?0
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Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭MightyHarken wrote: »Yeah I dont use battle axes for the reason that they dont really work well. I think the 2h sword is the best choice of weapon in dps matters.
2H maces actually. More armor pen and with champ points more passive damage. Stupidly powerful.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!0 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭The_Outsider wrote: »Apparently spear/polearm moves and animations are boring. Nobody tell this guy:https://youtu.be/cWaOdv28noo?t=1m39s
LOL.
ZOS, a future update with the addition of Spears, Polarms, or even BOW STAVES would be RAD.
Although a bow staff functions similarly to a spear and is less cool so...
Also, It's Bo* Staff, now bow.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!0 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭MightyHarken wrote: »I'm interested in anything that helps the game get better, but for the moment spears/lances/polearms would be so badass, what do we need to do to get this in the hands of Zenimax?
Purposeful spam like this to catch people's attention.
Then tagging like this @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and stuff like that.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!0
