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Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.Edited by Lynx7386 on July 5, 2015 4:38PMPS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank1 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭What you want is a proper Mage for all three destruction types.. Sorcerers are more akin to Shaman.
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SedoUmbra✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.1 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.
Just have to adapt. Not all dragon knights wear heavy armor and use a shield - the fire mage build is a popular one.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank0 -
NotSo✭✭✭✭Hmm, I'd say a Templar is more akin to the fire mage role, if only to avoid the dragon knights weird earthiness. But I suppose the trade is towards a weird holiness. So burn your foes in Ritious Fire and Scorch the earth, I say.
But yeah, Sorcerers are not the only class to fit a mage archetype. Might have to mess around a bit (a lot).Edited by NotSo on July 5, 2015 5:03PMGar'Sol the Wanderer VR14 Khajiit Sorcerer Spellblade0 -
SedoUmbra✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.
Just have to adapt. Not all dragon knights wear heavy armor and use a shield - the fire mage build is a popular one.
I never once mentioned armour or shields.0 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.
Just have to adapt. Not all dragon knights wear heavy armor and use a shield - the fire mage build is a popular one.
I never once mentioned armour or shields.
Then why are you crying about the dragon knight. A title that makes no distinction in the game. Just asking.
And i can verify that the class you choose doesn't dictate your play style. I was running a dungeon last night with a group of people I didn't know. We ran the whole dungeon and it wasn't til the end that they figured out I was a nightblade. (I wasn't using my mic.) The party had a nightblade in it, so it's not like they never saw a nightblade before. You just gotta decide what you want to play and choose something that's close to it. The label literally means nothing. Playing a dragonknight as a fire mage doesn't make you any less of a fire mage right?
I mean, if I play a nord, I can still be a fire mage right? Even though they have an affinity to frost. Same could be said about the dark elf. It would be good for a fire mage because of the fire boosts and resistance right? Yeah, I don't use the fire boosts and I don't use fire weapons.
It's all a matter of adapting to the best fit solution. Programming is not real life; there can't be an infinite possibilities.Edited by Chaos0720 on July 5, 2015 5:21PM0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They do need to re-work fire frist and shock cause as right now why use frost or shock when fire deals the most damage. Frost just slows down weaker enemies only and shock just deals tiny splash damage and only if there basicly right ontop of each other.
I say maybe buff up the enemy types frost slows down and increases the range and damage of shocks splash damage and maybe have them behave like Skyrims were frost attacks also drain stamina and vise versa with shock draining magicka. So maybe players would try diffrent staffs out in PvP instead of just always going fire and maybe give nords passive robust a challenge with negateing some frost damage.
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SedoUmbra✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.
Just have to adapt. Not all dragon knights wear heavy armor and use a shield - the fire mage build is a popular one.
I never once mentioned armour or shields.
Then why are you crying about the dragon knight. A title that makes no distinction in the game. Just asking.
And i can verify that the class you choose doesn't dictate your play style. I was running a dungeon last night with a group of people I didn't know. We ran the whole dungeon and it wasn't til the end that they figured out I was a nightblade. (I wasn't using my mic.) The party had a nightblade in it, so it's not like they never saw a nightblade before. You just gotta decide what you want to play and choose something that's close to it. The label literally means nothing. Playing a dragonknight as a fire mage doesn't make you any less of a fire mage right?
I mean, if I play a nord, I can still be a fire mage right? Even though they have an affinity to frost. Same could be said about the dark elf. It would be good for a fire mage because of the fire boosts and resistance right? Yeah, I don't use the fire boosts and I don't use fire weapons.
It's all a matter of adapting to the best fit solution. Programming is not real life; there can't be an infinite possibilities.
I am not 'crying about the dragon knight'. I am *complaining about the lack of frost and fire magic in the game. I have a Dragon Knight, that's not what I want. Dragon Knights fight close range, they bring enemies towards them or put themselves towards the enemy. They get into the thick of things and then use some ability or another to keep them alive from some damage resist. Mages deal high damage from a distance and would generally get beaten in melee combat if it was a fair fight -i.e both of similar skill level and XP level- so technically a Dragon Knight can not be a mage.
And if they only found out you were a Nightblade until they end they either weren't looking at what you were doing and not coorperating or you weren't using your abilities and coorperating.0 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This game doesn't have a Mage class (Yes Sorc and Mage are different in TES) so until Spellcrafting comes out you'll have to just use a frost staff which will give you frost spells from the Destruction Staff line.
Also you can use your imagination a bit and look at some spells from Dark Magic line as ice crystals.0 -
SedoUmbra✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »This game doesn't have a Mage class (Yes Sorc and Mage are different in TES) so until Spellcrafting comes out you'll have to just use a frost staff which will give you frost spells from the Destruction Staff line.
Also you can use your imagination a bit and look at some spells from Dark Magic line as ice crystals.
Well at least you aren't gonna type out why a Dragon Knight is a mage
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I guess I will have to use my imagination or focus on Destruction Staff abilities.
Thanks.0 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.
Just have to adapt. Not all dragon knights wear heavy armor and use a shield - the fire mage build is a popular one.
I never once mentioned armour or shields.
Then why are you crying about the dragon knight. A title that makes no distinction in the game. Just asking.If you want a fire mage, go with a dragon knight.
If you want a frost mage, just focus on the destruction staff line with a frost staff. I tend to think a lot of the dark magic skills look kinda like ice crystals, too.
Yeah, except I want a Mage and not a Dragon Knight, that's why I'm complaining here instead of playing as a Dragon Knight.
Just have to adapt. Not all dragon knights wear heavy armor and use a shield - the fire mage build is a popular one.
I never once mentioned armour or shields.
Then why are you crying about the dragon knight. A title that makes no distinction in the game. Just asking.
And i can verify that the class you choose doesn't dictate your play style. I was running a dungeon last night with a group of people I didn't know. We ran the whole dungeon and it wasn't til the end that they figured out I was a nightblade. (I wasn't using my mic.) The party had a nightblade in it, so it's not like they never saw a nightblade before. You just gotta decide what you want to play and choose something that's close to it. The label literally means nothing. Playing a dragonknight as a fire mage doesn't make you any less of a fire mage right?
I mean, if I play a nord, I can still be a fire mage right? Even though they have an affinity to frost. Same could be said about the dark elf. It would be good for a fire mage because of the fire boosts and resistance right? Yeah, I don't use the fire boosts and I don't use fire weapons.
It's all a matter of adapting to the best fit solution. Programming is not real life; there can't be an infinite possibilities.
I am not 'crying about the dragon knight'. I am *complaining about the lack of frost and fire magic in the game. I have a Dragon Knight, that's not what I want. Dragon Knights fight close range, they bring enemies towards them or put themselves towards the enemy. They get into the thick of things and then use some ability or another to keep them alive from some damage resist. Mages deal high damage from a distance and would generally get beaten in melee combat if it was a fair fight -i.e both of similar skill level and XP level- so technically a Dragon Knight can not be a mage.
And if they only found out you were a Nightblade until they end they either weren't looking at what you were doing and not coorperating or you weren't using your abilities and coorperating.
All of your assumptions just make you sound stupid. They didn't realize until the end because I don't let my character fall into a cookie cutter. I was cooperating the entire time. Got complimented on the fact that apparently I'm good at DPS. You want a fire mage. Play a dark elf, use destrution staff skills and pick a class that has passive abilities that you think would help. You only have 10 active abilities you can use. You don't have to use the dragonknight abilities if you don't want to.
I don't know why and can't give any explanation as to why the chose electric as the only element for the sorcerer's abilities, but you have the tools to make something pretty close. Apparently there are already guides for fire mages? I don't know. I don't use preset guides. Like I said. I play how I want.0 -
NotSo✭✭✭✭Well come on, a dragon knight is a mage the exact same way a sorcerer is a mage. As are templar and nightblade.
If you want lightning spells, daedric pets, and dark magic, you play a sorcerer.
If you want fire spells, dragon magic, and earth magic, you play dragonknight.
If you want fire spells, aedric spear summon magic, and holy magic, you play a templar.
If you want dot spells, sap magic, and shadow magic, you play a nightblade.
In all cases, to fit the mage archetype, you'd be in light armor, have a staff, and build for magicka.
Frost magic comes strictly out of a frost element destruction staff, excluding the ultimate from mages guild, Ice Comet.Edited by NotSo on July 5, 2015 5:56PMGar'Sol the Wanderer VR14 Khajiit Sorcerer Spellblade3 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭Well come on, a dragon knight is a mage the exact same way a sorcerer is a mage. As are templar and nightblade.
If you want lightning spells, daedric pets, and dark magic, you play a sorcerer.
If you want fire spells, dragon magic, and earth magic, you play dragonknight.
If you want fire spells, aedric spear summon magic, and holy magic, you play a templar.
If you want dot spells, sap magic, and shadow magic, you play a nightblade.
In all cases, to fit the mage archetype, you'd be in light armor, have a staff, and build for magicka.
Frost magic comes strictly out of a frost element destruction staff, excluding the ultimate from mages guild, Ice Comet.
This. And this is exactly what I had done. I have a bit of a bipolar character. One set is based around a rogue build, while the other is essentially an ice mage.
Am I as powerful as someone who focused on one or the other? Perhaps not. But I'm typically a solo player and I found a build that works for me.0 -
SedoUmbra✭✭✭People are misunderstanding so this is the last time I'll post here.
1) It's pretty clear from my description that I'm looking for DESTRUCTION magic, not shadow, or summoning, or surrounding your self in rocks or whatever else.
2) Mages fight long range, Dragon Knights' abilities are either close range or focus on closing the distance between enemies.
3) The whole point of this discussion was to address the lack of frost and fire abilities used by mages (you know, the people that use magic), not to use sub-standard substitutes, I'm not saying Dragon Knights are bad, I like playing as Dragon Knight, just that they make poor Mages, simply because of the general preferred fight-range distance.0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭People are misunderstanding so this is the last time I'll post here.
1) It's pretty clear from my description that I'm looking for DESTRUCTION magic, not shadow, or summoning, or surrounding your self in rocks or whatever else.
2) Mages fight long range, Dragon Knights' abilities are either close range or focus on closing the distance between enemies.
3) The whole point of this discussion was to address the lack of frost and fire abilities used by mages (you know, the people that use magic), not to use sub-standard substitutes, I'm not saying Dragon Knights are bad, I like playing as Dragon Knight, just that they make poor Mages, simply because of the general preferred fight-range distance.
You are centering everything around your perceptions... NB shadow magicks fall under the major schools of destructon, illusion, and restoration. If it kills without siphoning health, destruction. Mages are not all ranged, otherwise touch spells would not have existed in previous games. Dragon knights are mages. They use destruction magic. YOU think they are sub-standard because YOU have poor perceptive skills.1 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭I'm sorry you aren't getting the responses you want. Please know that nothing I said was attempt to troll you (unless you were the guy that insulted me, which I'm not scrolling back up to check). The only answer to your request is to either wait and see if they end up adding them, or play a game that does have them. And yes, I know that that is a cop out answer and it's annoying when people say that, but it's really all you can do, because the majority of the people use "sub-standard substitutes" just fine and nothing will change unless a lot of people start complaining. Which likely won't happen.0
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NotSo✭✭✭✭1) All destruction magic comes out of destruction staff skill line.
2) All classes have skills that synergies with ranged and melee playstyles.
3) By your definition, sorcerer is the only "mage" in the game. You are wronging all over yourself.Gar'Sol the Wanderer VR14 Khajiit Sorcerer Spellblade1 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »This game doesn't have a Mage class (Yes Sorc and Mage are different in TES) so until Spellcrafting comes out you'll have to just use a frost staff which will give you frost spells from the Destruction Staff line.
Also you can use your imagination a bit and look at some spells from Dark Magic line as ice crystals.
Well at least you aren't gonna type out why a Dragon Knight is a mage .
I guess I will have to use my imagination or focus on Destruction Staff abilities.
Thanks.
Okay I guess this might cross the line, but if you weren't so blind to your own opinion then everyone wouldn't keep trying to explain to you why a Dragon Knight works as a fire mage substitute.
And to balance this out with something constructive.
If you want a fire mage, I would suggest a dunmer due to the fire boosts.
Frost mage... probably a high elf since their skills focus on the destruction staff.
Also, if you are on PS4 and you need a few Rekeipa, let me know. My PSN is the same as this. Oh yeah and NA server.Edited by Chaos0720 on July 5, 2015 6:43PM0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭1) All destruction magic comes out of destruction staff skill line.
2) All classes have skills that synergies with ranged and melee playstyles.
3) By your definition, sorcerer is the only "mage" in the game. You are wronging all over yourself.
To number 1... uh...lol no. You really do not understand Elder Scrolls do you?0 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »1) All destruction magic comes out of destruction staff skill line.
2) All classes have skills that synergies with ranged and melee playstyles.
3) By your definition, sorcerer is the only "mage" in the game. You are wronging all over yourself.
To number 1... uh...lol no. You really do not understand Elder Scrolls do you?
Uh... how was this at all helpful or constructive to the conversation.0 -
ColoursYouHave✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templar
Dragonknight
I made some fire-based builds for you really quick. I tried to use nothing but fire-related skills. See what you like and go from there!1 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭notimetocare wrote: »1) All destruction magic comes out of destruction staff skill line.
2) All classes have skills that synergies with ranged and melee playstyles.
3) By your definition, sorcerer is the only "mage" in the game. You are wronging all over yourself.
To number 1... uh...lol no. You really do not understand Elder Scrolls do you?
Uh... how was this at all helpful or constructive to the conversation.
It mocks his spread of bull s. info.0 -
NotSo✭✭✭✭Literally all destruction magic comes out of the destruction staff skill line, how am I wrong here?
Because there are spells that deal damage in all other skill lines?Gar'Sol the Wanderer VR14 Khajiit Sorcerer Spellblade0 -
SedoUmbra✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »This game doesn't have a Mage class (Yes Sorc and Mage are different in TES) so until Spellcrafting comes out you'll have to just use a frost staff which will give you frost spells from the Destruction Staff line.
Also you can use your imagination a bit and look at some spells from Dark Magic line as ice crystals.
Well at least you aren't gonna type out why a Dragon Knight is a mage .
I guess I will have to use my imagination or focus on Destruction Staff abilities.
Thanks.
Okay I guess this might cross the line, but if you weren't so blind to your own opinion then everyone wouldn't keep trying to explain to you why a Dragon Knight works as a fire mage substitute.
And to balance this out with something constructive.
If you want a fire mage, I would suggest a dunmer due to the fire boosts.
Frost mage... probably a high elf since their skills focus on the destruction staff.
Also, if you are on PS4 and you need a few Rekeipa, let me know. My PSN is the same as this. Oh yeah and NA server.
You confuse me. You call me blind to my own opinion and offer me help in the same post. Well that's refreshing. I'm on the EU server, but thanks anyway. My Sorcerer is a Dunmer because that's because I plan to become a Vampire and want to balance out the fire damage so I don't die when walking past a candle or something.
And don't worry about crossing the line, I'm not easy to offend. But I still don't see how Dragon Knight can be a Mage when mages will get destroyed up close and that is where Dragon Knights attacking abilities are most effective.0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Literally all destruction magic comes out of the destruction staff skill line, how am I wrong here?
Because there are spells that deal damage in all other skill lines?
Because destruction magic is a school. Not a skill line. Magic that deals damage falls into the destruction skill with a few exceptions. This is based off the magic system, not the naming in game.0 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭
My Sorcerer is a Dunmer because that's because I plan to become a Vampire and want to balance out the fire damage so I don't die when walking past a candle or something.
I laughed way harder then I probably should have at that.
And no worries man, most people don't get me. I don't get myself half the time. 1 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »1) All destruction magic comes out of destruction staff skill line.
2) All classes have skills that synergies with ranged and melee playstyles.
3) By your definition, sorcerer is the only "mage" in the game. You are wronging all over yourself.
To number 1... uh...lol no. You really do not understand Elder Scrolls do you?
Uh... how was this at all helpful or constructive to the conversation.
It mocks his spread of bull s. info.
Well first off, mocking on the forums isn't allowed. Secondly, can we get someone in here to mock your spread of bull s. info?0 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭How is a staff and skirt Dragonknight "not a mage"?
It is no less of a mage than a Sorc.
I have a sorc mage, a DK mage, and a Templar mage. They are all mages, it depends on how you build them.Edited by Epona222 on July 5, 2015 7:14PMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.0