Though you asked for an answer from ZoS, not sure if they will respond to this thread.

However, the loyalty program was discontinued with the launch of Tamriel Unlimited.

Sorry

Orzlar wrote: »

You misunderstand. The loyalty program was removed, but also replaced.

Rather than receiving loyalty pets based on your subscription, you instead get 1,500 crowns per month subscribed. to be spent on the crown store items of your choosing.

They often do exclusive items that are very limited, and high in price, such as the frostmare at the moment. for those who have saved their crowns from ESO plus could use them to purchase the frostmare.

Now of course the issue here is that the frostmare would require 2 months of ESO plus, and the game hasn't been out for 2 months for consoles yet.

but the idea applies. save your crowns from ESO plus, and spend them on the exclusive content you like.

Can we really call it "exclusive content" when everybody has access to it?

I understand your point about the loyalty program being replaced, but the replacement, in my opinion, is hardly the same. Now I know that there were a bunch of people on pc bitching that the rewards were pets, but at least it was something that people could only get if they were loyal subscribers.

Now, you get 1500 crown, which the going rate for purchasing crowns is roughly $0.01 / crown. So anyone, like myself for example, can purchase said content without paying for ESO plus. I've been considering it, but I have no incentive to pay for it. I'm not that worried about the experience boost, because I'm enjoying the game. I have no desire to finish is super quick and call firsts. And as far as the crowns go. I can purchase 5500 crowns for $40, which is 1000 crowns more and $5 cheaper then what I would get through ESO plus.

Now yes, I know that when we start getting dlc, that may change things a little. But as it currently stands (and I'm not bitching, I know the game is new), we don't have dlc on the consoles.

BigBoi314 wrote: »

They should've kept the loyalty program in place along with the benefits of having ESO Plus. It's like what Microsoft did with the Xbox One, there was a lot of hate on their policies at first but then there were a few good things; Bethesda/Zenimax got a lot of hate for charging to play online, so instead they did away with that and the loyalty program and to replace the loyalty program they occasionally add so way over priced crown store items. I don't see why developers/publishers can't go back to the good ol'days where we bought the FULL games and the stuff like they charge for now, are secret items that you actually have to work for to get. It's all about that money now instead of doing what they love for people that love the same thing.

While I agree with you that greed has taken over most of the gaming development industry. One thing you need to keep in mind is that back in the day, we paid for a game that had secret content and that was it. The games broke? Oh well. Now, think back to when ESO launched on pc. Do you really think that V1.0 was worthy of the money spent and that they shouldn't have done any more updates? You can't have it both ways. Like I said, I'm not arguing that greed is running rampant. It could even be argued that companies are releasing games in a *** state because they know they can go back and fix it. The one thing that I've not run into with any game is that we don't have to pay for updates. Back in the day, if a game was broke on release and they re-released a fixed version, guess who's sinking money into the game again? Return policy's for electronics were just as ridiculous back then as they are now, and back then, there wasn't much incentive to trade games at gamestop, because the "credit" you got back was miniscule. (Yes, for anyone who doesn't know, much worse then it is now.)

My point being that video game companies care for their customers didn't randomly drop to a *** state. It's always been bad, it's just a different kind of bad now.

But hey, I'm no game designer, so maybe it really is hard to get your job done by a deadline for them. I know my ass gets reamed if my job isn't done by its deadline, but hey. That's just me.

BlackEar wrote: »

The Loyalty Program was for the loyal PC playerbase who supported the game while it was still being improved and perfected.

It is nonsense to say it should be available to the console players.

Loyalty programs are a sign of good will, an incentive and a thank you for financing the game month by month instead of random and unpredictable purchases. They are a reward tor subscribing. As long as the subscription option exists - and it does on all platforms - there's a very good reason for continuing the loyalty program.

Chaos0720 wrote: »

BigBoi314 wrote: »

They should've kept the loyalty program in place along with the benefits of having ESO Plus. It's like what Microsoft did with the Xbox One, there was a lot of hate on their policies at first but then there were a few good things; Bethesda/Zenimax got a lot of hate for charging to play online, so instead they did away with that and the loyalty program and to replace the loyalty program they occasionally add so way over priced crown store items. I don't see why developers/publishers can't go back to the good ol'days where we bought the FULL games and the stuff like they charge for now, are secret items that you actually have to work for to get. It's all about that money now instead of doing what they love for people that love the same thing.

While I agree with you that greed has taken over most of the gaming development industry. One thing you need to keep in mind is that back in the day, we paid for a game that had secret content and that was it. The games broke? Oh well. Now, think back to when ESO launched on pc. Do you really think that V1.0 was worthy of the money spent and that they shouldn't have done any more updates? You can't have it both ways. Like I said, I'm not arguing that greed is running rampant. It could even be argued that companies are releasing games in a *** state because they know they can go back and fix it. The one thing that I've not run into with any game is that we don't have to pay for updates. Back in the day, if a game was broke on release and they re-released a fixed version, guess who's sinking money into the game again? Return policy's for electronics were just as ridiculous back then as they are now, and back then, there wasn't much incentive to trade games at gamestop, because the "credit" you got back was miniscule. (Yes, for anyone who doesn't know, much worse then it is now.)

BlackEar wrote: »

The Loyalty Program was for the loyal PC playerbase who supported the game while it was still being improved and perfected.

It is nonsense to say it should be available to the console players.

Looks like we have an elitist pc gamer. What's nonsense is your opinion and the fact that you added nothing constructive to the conversation.


It's not our problem that PC players had to pay to play an open beta. Console games get that *** too, so you're not special. As @Rosveen said, if the option to subscribe is still a thing, then the incentive to do so should also be a thing. The subscription are lining their pockets with extra money. And before you argue: but it's for server maintenance and employee wages for the dlc.. Please stop. A) If it was for server maintenance then they never would have stopped the forced subscription or make it optional. I don't see anyone playing WoW for free... legitimately at least before a smart ass comes back with a way that they are. I find it laughable that the way they are handling dlc is: pay for the dlc, or pay for the subscription. It kind of makes me wonder how ridiculously priced it's going to be. Will we have to pay $60 for new dlc every 4 months to recoup the losses of not paying a subscription? I would hope not. So your second arguement, that it's for the dlc, would be even more ridiculous. I've already made my point, console gamers have no true incentive to join the loyalty program. I mean, unless they want to show loyalty, but I don't see much of that happening in these forums so.... yeah.

Oh and I forgot, let's not forget that if DLC comes out month A, and your subscribed months A - C, thus paying your monthly subscription fee, but decide you don't want to pay the subscription anymore, you lose access to the DLC, by which your options are to pay the membership again, or by the dlc. So, other than people that can't play much, which don't even get me started as to why you'd pay a subscription for something you can't use, or the people that feel important cause they can "level really really fast guyz". There is no incentive to pay for the subscription. I don't want to pay for the same dlc twice. And I won't. Until I have a legitimate incentive to purchase the subscription program, I will continue to throw my money at zenimax for frivilous things like and ice pony .

Rosveen wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

The Loyalty Program was for the loyal PC playerbase who supported the game while it was still being improved and perfected.

It is nonsense to say it should be available to the console players.

Loyalty programs are a sign of good will, an incentive and a thank you for financing the game month by month instead of random and unpredictable purchases. They are a reward tor subscribing. As long as the subscription option exists - and it does on all platforms - there's a very good reason for continuing the loyalty program.

And it is continued! Now, you get crowns as a sign of good will and you can choose the reward you want YOURSELF!

So it has only improved

@Chaos0720 That is your opinion. My opinion is that I did add something constructive. It isn't even hard to see. I explained why they should not add loyalty to console players. Really not that hard to understand. Just because I don't agree does not mean I am not being constructive. The world would be a terrible place to live if that was the case. Maybe one day you will understand that.

Chaos0720 wrote: »

Chaos0720 wrote: »

BigBoi314 wrote: »

They should've kept the loyalty program in place along with the benefits of having ESO Plus. It's like what Microsoft did with the Xbox One, there was a lot of hate on their policies at first but then there were a few good things; Bethesda/Zenimax got a lot of hate for charging to play online, so instead they did away with that and the loyalty program and to replace the loyalty program they occasionally add so way over priced crown store items. I don't see why developers/publishers can't go back to the good ol'days where we bought the FULL games and the stuff like they charge for now, are secret items that you actually have to work for to get. It's all about that money now instead of doing what they love for people that love the same thing.

While I agree with you that greed has taken over most of the gaming development industry. One thing you need to keep in mind is that back in the day, we paid for a game that had secret content and that was it. The games broke? Oh well. Now, think back to when ESO launched on pc. Do you really think that V1.0 was worthy of the money spent and that they shouldn't have done any more updates? You can't have it both ways. Like I said, I'm not arguing that greed is running rampant. It could even be argued that companies are releasing games in a *** state because they know they can go back and fix it. The one thing that I've not run into with any game is that we don't have to pay for updates. Back in the day, if a game was broke on release and they re-released a fixed version, guess who's sinking money into the game again? Return policy's for electronics were just as ridiculous back then as they are now, and back then, there wasn't much incentive to trade games at gamestop, because the "credit" you got back was miniscule. (Yes, for anyone who doesn't know, much worse then it is now.)

BlackEar wrote: »

The Loyalty Program was for the loyal PC playerbase who supported the game while it was still being improved and perfected.

It is nonsense to say it should be available to the console players.

Looks like we have an elitist pc gamer. What's nonsense is your opinion and the fact that you added nothing constructive to the conversation.


It's not our problem that PC players had to pay to play an open beta. Console games get that *** too, so you're not special. As @Rosveen said, if the option to subscribe is still a thing, then the incentive to do so should also be a thing. The subscription are lining their pockets with extra money. And before you argue: but it's for server maintenance and employee wages for the dlc.. Please stop. A) If it was for server maintenance then they never would have stopped the forced subscription or make it optional. I don't see anyone playing WoW for free... legitimately at least before a smart ass comes back with a way that they are. I find it laughable that the way they are handling dlc is: pay for the dlc, or pay for the subscription. It kind of makes me wonder how ridiculously priced it's going to be. Will we have to pay $60 for new dlc every 4 months to recoup the losses of not paying a subscription? I would hope not. So your second arguement, that it's for the dlc, would be even more ridiculous. I've already made my point, console gamers have no true incentive to join the loyalty program. I mean, unless they want to show loyalty, but I don't see much of that happening in these forums so.... yeah.

BlackEar wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

The Loyalty Program was for the loyal PC playerbase who supported the game while it was still being improved and perfected.

It is nonsense to say it should be available to the console players.

Loyalty programs are a sign of good will, an incentive and a thank you for financing the game month by month instead of random and unpredictable purchases. They are a reward tor subscribing. As long as the subscription option exists - and it does on all platforms - there's a very good reason for continuing the loyalty program.

And it is continued! Now, you get crowns as a sign of good will and you can choose the reward you want YOURSELF!

So it has only improved

@Chaos0720 That is your opinion. My opinion is that I did add something constructive. It isn't even hard to see. I explained why they should not add loyalty to console players. Really not that hard to understand. Just because I don't agree does not mean I am not being constructive. The world would be a terrible place to live if that was the case. Maybe one day you will understand that.

Oh, so you're my psychiatrist now? You didn't add anything constructive. You gave an elisted opinion. "We deserve it because we suffered while the game was still being fixed." Heads up... no one forced you to buy the game and just because you had access to it a year sooner doesn't mean you should be "entitled" to anything. Loyalty program = Reward for loyalty. Open beta = crappy game until its fixed. There are two separate components of the whole piece. There is no reason why they couldn't have implemented a loyalty program when console launched. They canceled the loyalty program when the game became free to play. Seems fishy no? But yeah, your opinion of being constructive is different then mine, and insulting me by telling me that "maybe one day will understand". Maybe one day you will understand that being a PC gamer does not make you any better then anyone else. You are a customer. Just as everyone else. If it makes you feel special to think you are better because your a "PC GAME MASTER RACE" good for you. In my book, material possessions don't make people important. It just gives them a way to flaunt their egos. But I'm done with this thread. People like you will always think your opinion is the one that matters, and I really don't feel like getting banned from these forums because most of the people aren't.... "special".