Imperial City...Will this cause a new reason for buff servers for access to Imp City?
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Nick Konkle wrote:Imperial City will not offer much PVP except for wiping out the other factions that don't leave voluntarily when the city changes hands. If your faction does not control access to the city, you will not be able to enter it. Access to the city is determined by whatever faction controls the most (not necessarily all) of the 18 total keeps. If enough of the 18 keeps change hands to give your faction control of the city, your faction can then enter the city and wipe out players from the other factions who will no longer be able to enter into the city. Once your faction controls the city and you die while inside the IC, you can respawn inside it and bypass the sewer entrances, thus circumventing gankers who may be camping them. If you are outside the IC, you cannot respawn into the city at the shrines and you must enter the IC via sewer pipes.
ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »"Access to the city is determined by whatever faction controls the most (not necessarily all) of the six inner keeps. If enough of the six keeps change hands to give your faction control of the city, your faction can then enter the city and wipe out players from the other factions who will no longer be able to enter into the city."
It's actually the majority of ALL keeps in Cyodiil, not just the ones that control Emperorship.
Also remember that population for Cyrodiil is dependent upon not only the Cyrodiil space but also players in Imperial City, so while an Alliance may flood into I.C. for the new treats, they will be leaving the Cyrodiil space for the enemy alliances. That is unless they make all new character and log them out in I.C. then log back into their other PVP characters and wait for it to flip
This is one of the few ZOS posts I have found describing Imperial City. If this is the case, I see one of two outcomes:
1. A lot of complaining about lack of new content and wasted money on DLC by PVE players of factions that cannot get the PVP numbers to control a campaign and get access to the city.
2. A new creation of buff servers where each faction has there buff campaign to have perm. access to imperial city with one campaign left for actual PVP, similar to what we had.
All in all, I am really looking forward to new content, but I am really curious to how it will be implemented. Will it be a PVE zone only accessible through PVP? Will it be a pay gated DLC which will make it hard getting the numbers to fight for your faction if only half of them have access? How is craft ganking going to be handled?
The last one amuses me and is highly hypothetical...A group of EP nightblades stealthed behind a crafting table before Imp City changes ownership. The new rush of PVE minded DC players flood the city looking to craft their new V16 gear only to be meet with a nice proximity detonation from stealth as they pile on the crafting table!
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✭✭✭✭✭See, I think we REALLY need to get more info on it. As a PvE player I have no expectations on stepping foot inside Imperial City as it seems it should be PvP orientated, but then again.. these (old) posts make it sound very PvE orientated. Why would someone who enjoys PvP fight to open up Imperial City? I'm sure they care just as much about PvE as I care about PvP.
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Kerioko✭✭✭✭As PVE'ers we might not have a choice but to set foot in IC, if that is the only new content they release with V16!Dinosaur Chicken Nuggets - Argonian mNB Tank/Heals (PVP)
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Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭As PVE'ers we might not have a choice but to set foot in IC, if that is the only new content they release with V16!
Yup, this reminds me of SWTOR during the Gree event.
I will check the IC out nonetheless, but for others, it's going to be a nightmare.House Nyssara (NA)
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Azalin76✭✭✭Sounds like you may be right, the buff servers will just become permanent imperial city zones for the factions and they basically have solved nothing. Plus where is this imperial city going to be? I thought cyrodiil was the imperial city but there isn't any room to add in zone content to what they have now unless they change the map.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Wow, I had no idea...
That sounds like a really bad system. So the underdog faction doesn't get to play the content they paid for?
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See the island in the middle of Cyrodiil? It's there. You can walk there and see all the bridges ruined and guarded by daedra, the entrance will be through the sewers.Sounds like you may be right, the buff servers will just become permanent imperial city zones for the factions and they basically have solved nothing. Plus where is this imperial city going to be? I thought cyrodiil was the imperial city but there isn't any room to add in zone content to what they have now unless they change the map.
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GloryClass RepresentativeYeah I saw this and was worried about buff servers too.
The thing is, people will WANT buff servers so they can access the content! I small-scale PvP, and I hate the idea of capturing 6 keeps while outnumbered to get into the city (can't imagine how PvErs will feel).
I think this is a bad concept and there should be different requirements to access the city.
My suggestion:- Those who control their keeps have easy access to the city (gates, guards, vendors, the whole shebang).
- Those who don't control their keeps have to sneak into the city via the tunnels (open world PvP, scary monsters, skeevers, etc.).
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✭Dear ZoS,
Please stop being a derp and putting PvE content in PvP zones; just make a new PvE zone.
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Everyone who hates mixed-up content.2 -
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✭Personofsecrets wrote: »for some reason the devs want everyone to be part of pvp
Well, there are at least 15 skill points from skyshards and 49 in the alliance war... So that's really enough for most people to want to be there (at end game).AlienDiplomat wrote: »Wow, I had no idea...
That sounds like a really bad system. So the underdog faction doesn't get to play the content they paid for?
10/10 for "stuff that will be changed within 5 days of release."
Actually, in theory it looks like more people will be flipping Cyrodiil this way, not the other way around. When a controlling faction is in the Imperial City doing whatever there, you'll have the other two trying to take control on the keeps.
Only issue I see is a campaign being controlled by an alliance. AD for example have more dedicated players to PvP, hands down. With the changes to jump campaigns being very severe, you're going to see more concentrations of a specific alliance on a specific campaign.
The shift from removing buffs will just be pushed to control Imperial City. Core guilds will become allies with one guarding Cyrodiil, while the other is questing in the Imperial City. It will, without a doubt, be a nightmare. Especially if the new gear drops are pushed into the Imperial City for VR15/VR16.
Without more info, it's all speculation.
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See the island in the middle of Cyrodiil? It's there. You can walk there and see all the bridges ruined and guarded by daedra, the entrance will be through the sewers.Sounds like you may be right, the buff servers will just become permanent imperial city zones for the factions and they basically have solved nothing. Plus where is this imperial city going to be? I thought cyrodiil was the imperial city but there isn't any room to add in zone content to what they have now unless they change the map.
Ah ok that's what I thought, I have not played around in there too much except to get the skyshards.0 -
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✭✭Uh no cause there wont be any buff servers any more cause there be no buffs in PvE. Now to gate camp to make a server empty so they can have it all to them selves is a diffrent story and I really don't see this happening cause if there all in the city who's gate camping? Plus half the servers now will be filled with PvErs wanting to see the city and the other half PvPers who are well pvping. So is possible but I don't really seeing pvp guilds wanting to gate camp for the city and the pve guild be to busy in the city to gate camp.0 -
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✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Uh no cause there wont be any buff servers any more cause there be no buffs in PvE.
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✭✭whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Uh no cause there wont be any buff servers any more cause there be no buffs in PvE.
Yeah they have been saying for awhile now that this would be happening..
But again gate servers could pop up with gate camping while the ruleing faction has fun in the city. But again if said faction is in city who's gate camping which means no gate servers but elitest guild would want gate servers so they can have city but no one be gate camping to make gate servers cause they all be at city which mean they can't have there gate server which they want so they can have the city.
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blair0588ub17_ESOSoul Shrivenyou should read this to answer some of your question's on what is to come with pvp. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180480/pvp-update-june-2015#latest0 -
Kronosphere✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »for some reason the devs want everyone to be part of pvp
I dont like this whole "IM a pvper IM a pver" i get that some people dont like to pvp and thats fair enough but i think a healthy mix of both can be good. and i think zos sees it this way as well hence the decisions do do things like this.~House Indoril~
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mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭The current state of PvP still has buff servers to an extent. Many of the big, more organized, PvP guilds flip flop between campaigns in search of good fights. Which has helped get rid of the buff server mentality. Nevertheless there is always a time when each faction controls nearly 100% of a map for a good portion of the day.
I don't believe access to Imperial City will make the buff server issue any worse, or as bad as it was a few months ago. I do believe when they make it so you can't port to players in campaigns other than your home or guest buff servers will again be a huge issue. Unless they actually remove PVP buffs from PvE like they've been saying for months now.Edited by mtwiggz on July 4, 2015 4:11AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »for some reason the devs want everyone to be part of pvp
Yup one bit of PvP content after multiple releases of PvE content means that they want everyone to be a part of PvP.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Dear ZoS,
Please stop being a derp and putting PvE content in PvP zones; just make a new PvE zone.
Lovingly,
Everyone who hates mixed-up content.
No i don't hate it, i love it, i come from Daoc school.
Pvp need incentives, right now is becoming stagnant and monotone, and this content could bring fresh air.
Maybe blame for new pure pve contents if you like only it.
Mixing pve with pvp it's an adrenaline challenge. Getting some good drops with the fear that an enemy player could attack you it's adrenalinic.Do you prefeare always fight the latest brainless IA bosses of pve? or maybe do you like take up the challenge of mixing the flavours?0 -
Edgemoor✭✭✭Forcing players to PvE in a PvP zone has never really worked out well in my experience. I can't imagine a worse type of zone for players to level in. There's a reason the PvP servers in many games tend to be less populated and fewer.
I'll give Imperial City a miss and get popcorn instead ....
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SC0TY999✭✭✭✭Sounds like you may be right, the buff servers will just become permanent imperial city zones for the factions and they basically have solved nothing. Plus where is this imperial city going to be? I thought cyrodiil was the imperial city but there isn't any room to add in zone content to what they have now unless they change the map.
To access IC there are certain storm drains around the centre of the Cyro map that once interacted with will load the instance of IC.
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✭iWill this cause a new reason for buff servers for access to Imp City?
probably yes.
they need to implement a dynamic system allocating players into campaigns upon listing for pvp - creating/filling "new campaigns" only if the former ones are completly filled. otherwise if there is any kind of benefit in creating one sided campaigns they will be existing.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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SC0TY999✭✭✭✭iWill this cause a new reason for buff servers for access to Imp City?
probably yes.
they need to implement a dynamic system allocating players into campaigns upon listing for pvp - creating/filling "new campaigns" only if the former ones are completly filled. otherwise if there is any kind of benefit in creating one sided campaigns they will be existing.
Been saying this for over 1 year!0
