VR16 CONFIRMED --- SAY IT AINT SO

RadioheadSh0t · July 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Speaking as someone who crafts many sets. It is relatively cheap to craft your own gear. Let's also take into account that every time new gear has droppedal majority of players move to those sets cause they generally are better. Moreover, this is the first new gear since 1.6 has dropped which means they will be tailored to the new metas that ppl use. For instance he hinted at gear that helps fight ppl who are sheilds stacking. Yes it is inevitable that ppl will change their gear with this. Moreover, even crafted sets WI be added eventually. So whether now or later you will be changing your gear up. Bottom line is this is an evolving mmo which people must evolve with. This requires regearing to stay competitive.

Gold mats aren't cheap, man... imagine a full gold set. Even at the cheap price of 3k/gold mat, far below normal rate, it would run you 192k. Not accounting for the cost of acquiring the pieces, whether it was bought with time, gold, or AP or the jewelry or enchants. That's just gold mats for armor and 2 weapons.

Sure, I am level 50 in all crafting skills besides provisioning, so crafting and improving my own gear is relatively easy, but it's still not cheap. Gold mats, even for skilled crafters, are not easy to come by, especially with the hireling nerf. Eventually, they'll just sell gold mats in the crown store, along with the XP scrolls to grind through their boring PvE content that I never touch unless I have to...

What of the people who spent millions of AP or gold for an Arch Mage-or-similar set, then spent hundreds of thousands in gold mats, all to find out that the gear will be sub-optimal in a short period of time? And furthermore, for what purpose? So players would still feel like their progressing with new content? Isn't that what the CP is was designed for? Wasn't it implemented to replace the exact system you're now expanding?

Literally the day after grinding my NB to V14 and thinking "thank god I don't have to that boring crap again for a while," I hear about this... I just want to PVP in Cyrodiil, the neglected step-child of ESO, without being dragged into a PVE experience that in no way excites me.

VincentBlanquin · July 2015

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Cry babies. You'll all grind to VR16 within a matter of hours and have a new build to rack up all the kills you want within a week post update.

Grab yourselves a protein shake.

love this guy))

Jules · July 2015

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

The grind to V16 is inconsequential for me, I will hit it in a few hours. I am grinding CP now so it doesn't matter. The short term problem is a BIG problem and that is the gear chase. Now, I always expect there to be a new level of gear to go after over time .because MMO is gonna MMO but this is sheer stupidity. We just went through the CP change which rendered a ton of builds useless and most of us at max level re-geared. In that change the PVP Elite gear was finally moved up to V14 and we chased that stuff and re-geared. That part is bad, but it is just time and gold.

The stupid part of it is that there is ZERO reason to chase/buy any piece of gear from now until V16 is in place. Why do I want to chase a V14 monster set in a dungeon I have run 20 times, why do I want to chase a Master's weapon in vDSA for the 20th time why do I want to spend any AP on soon to be obsolete "Elite Vendor Gear" or play the lotto on getting a piece in vendor bags? NONE. Some will say you do it for the fun of it.......sorry, dungeons and DSA stopped being "fun" after the 5th run. The rest of the runs were just a means to an end.

The biggest problem with this addition is it confirms the suspicions that ZOS has no idea what the heck they are doing and their lack of ability and willingness to execute on a vision. The vet grind always sucked and was a problem since day 1. They change that and start working on a massive overhaul in the Champion System to eliminate vet ranks. Now they are going to add 2 vet levels to a system they were supposedly working on removing? Add to that their huge delay in bringing this to console, their long delays of adding new content they previewed at QuakeCon 2014, their constant changes in XP gain and Vet level requirements and the change from subscription to B2P. This shoes that the leadership in this company is out of touch and completely incompetent. I actually feel sorry for the folks working there who are doing the actual work because the huge shifts in direction does nothing but add more work to to an obviously talented yet understaffed group.

Could not have said it better.

Teargrants · July 2015

Jules wrote: »

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

The grind to V16 is inconsequential for me, I will hit it in a few hours. I am grinding CP now so it doesn't matter. The short term problem is a BIG problem and that is the gear chase. Now, I always expect there to be a new level of gear to go after over time .because MMO is gonna MMO but this is sheer stupidity. We just went through the CP change which rendered a ton of builds useless and most of us at max level re-geared. In that change the PVP Elite gear was finally moved up to V14 and we chased that stuff and re-geared. That part is bad, but it is just time and gold.

The stupid part of it is that there is ZERO reason to chase/buy any piece of gear from now until V16 is in place. Why do I want to chase a V14 monster set in a dungeon I have run 20 times, why do I want to chase a Master's weapon in vDSA for the 20th time why do I want to spend any AP on soon to be obsolete "Elite Vendor Gear" or play the lotto on getting a piece in vendor bags? NONE. Some will say you do it for the fun of it.......sorry, dungeons and DSA stopped being "fun" after the 5th run. The rest of the runs were just a means to an end.

The biggest problem with this addition is it confirms the suspicions that ZOS has no idea what the heck they are doing and their lack of ability and willingness to execute on a vision. The vet grind always sucked and was a problem since day 1. They change that and start working on a massive overhaul in the Champion System to eliminate vet ranks. Now they are going to add 2 vet levels to a system they were supposedly working on removing? Add to that their huge delay in bringing this to console, their long delays of adding new content they previewed at QuakeCon 2014, their constant changes in XP gain and Vet level requirements and the change from subscription to B2P. This shoes that the leadership in this company is out of touch and completely incompetent. I actually feel sorry for the folks working there who are doing the actual work because the huge shifts in direction does nothing but add more work to to an obviously talented yet understaffed group.

Could not have said it better.

Coulda done it with the Boston accent.

Minnesinger · July 2015

This is what happened when ZENI told the news.

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Jules · July 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

The grind to V16 is inconsequential for me, I will hit it in a few hours. I am grinding CP now so it doesn't matter. The short term problem is a BIG problem and that is the gear chase. Now, I always expect there to be a new level of gear to go after over time .because MMO is gonna MMO but this is sheer stupidity. We just went through the CP change which rendered a ton of builds useless and most of us at max level re-geared. In that change the PVP Elite gear was finally moved up to V14 and we chased that stuff and re-geared. That part is bad, but it is just time and gold.

The stupid part of it is that there is ZERO reason to chase/buy any piece of gear from now until V16 is in place. Why do I want to chase a V14 monster set in a dungeon I have run 20 times, why do I want to chase a Master's weapon in vDSA for the 20th time why do I want to spend any AP on soon to be obsolete "Elite Vendor Gear" or play the lotto on getting a piece in vendor bags? NONE. Some will say you do it for the fun of it.......sorry, dungeons and DSA stopped being "fun" after the 5th run. The rest of the runs were just a means to an end.

The biggest problem with this addition is it confirms the suspicions that ZOS has no idea what the heck they are doing and their lack of ability and willingness to execute on a vision. The vet grind always sucked and was a problem since day 1. They change that and start working on a massive overhaul in the Champion System to eliminate vet ranks. Now they are going to add 2 vet levels to a system they were supposedly working on removing? Add to that their huge delay in bringing this to console, their long delays of adding new content they previewed at QuakeCon 2014, their constant changes in XP gain and Vet level requirements and the change from subscription to B2P. This shoes that the leadership in this company is out of touch and completely incompetent. I actually feel sorry for the folks working there who are doing the actual work because the huge shifts in direction does nothing but add more work to to an obviously talented yet understaffed group.

Could not have said it better.

Coulda done it with the Boston accent.

Ya wicked right.

Xsorus · July 2015

They should of kept it at VR10, and just kept adding new sets to the game...Every time they increase the VR ranks they remove a lot of viable sets from PvP

The Uninvited · July 2015

King Bozo wrote: »

The grind to v16 don't bother me at all. The upgrade cost for four vet 16 characters is going to be ridiculous.

That's because guild stores are asking ridiculous prices for new "most wanted" dropped gear. If they add in a couple of new craftable sets that would be a nice way to counteract it, but I doubt they will.

Sanct16 · July 2015

I think some of you overrate the importancy on instantly getting v16 + new gear. Might as well just pvp and keep the sets you have unless the new sets turn out to be better.

There is no noticeable difference between v12 and v14 gear....

Cinbri · July 2015

I dont understand those rages. 2 levels won't change meta.

Teargrants · July 2015

xMovingTarget · July 2015

Jules wrote: »

So I'm at work and can't watch.
But I get a tweet telling me that ESO Live just said level cap is going to be increased to v16.

This friend of mine is a notorious troll but says he's super cereal. Someone please tell me this isn't so.

Yea. unfortunatly we will get VR16. I dont like it though. How are you doin these days @Jules? Long no see!

Teargrants · July 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

I dont understand those rages. 2 levels won't change meta.

It's called having to spend millions of gold to recraft all of our optimized gear, and being lied to about the increase from V12 to V14 being the "last level cap increase before the removal of veteran levels" - which is verbatim what we were told at the time.

Jules · July 2015

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

So I'm at work and can't watch.
But I get a tweet telling me that ESO Live just said level cap is going to be increased to v16.

This friend of mine is a notorious troll but says he's super cereal. Someone please tell me this isn't so.

Yea. unfortunatly we will get VR16. I dont like it though. How are you doin these days @Jules? Long no see!

HAY MOVING!!

I'm good. Spend most of my time in pvp cause.... well you know how it goes. No content since September for PVE. I heard hodor got a new world 1st recently? These rumors true?

The Uninvited · July 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

I think some of you overrate the importancy on instantly getting v16 + new gear. Might as well just pvp and keep the sets you have unless the new sets turn out to be better.

There is no noticeable difference between v12 and v14 gear....

100% agreed. I was using V14 Martial Knowledge on my DK and now I'm back on V12 Silks of the Sun. Works even better with the way I made my build and it's 2 ranks lower.

ThyIronFist · July 2015

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Cry babies. You'll all grind to VR16 within a matter of hours and have a new build to rack up all the kills you want within a week post update.

Grab yourselves a protein shake.

Oh wow, by the gods I don't think I've ever seen a bigger ZOS white knight, holy jesus...

Observant · July 2015

Where's the /lurk now @ZOS_RichLambert?

Be a hero, put an end to these shenanigans.

Raizin · July 2015

Jules wrote: »

This decision is both infuriating and baffling to me. The fact that we are all still here is a testament to our dedication and patience - or perhaps our insanity. One thing for certain though is that we are not still here because of ZOS.

nothing better to play, for like next 3 months atleast.. then we will see

Docmandu · July 2015

On a positive note, DAoC has some new content :-)

Bromburak · July 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

I guess the guy flying out of the window is working for Riot Games now.

azoriangaming · July 2015

this is just a play to make more money from the crown store with xp scrolls obviously

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Cry babies. You'll all grind to VR16 within a matter of hours and have a new build to rack up all the kills you want within a week post update.

Grab yourselves a protein shake.

Oh wow, by the gods I don't think I've ever seen a bigger ZOS white knight, holy jesus...

This made me lol.

Septimus_Magna · July 2015

Personally I dont care about the "grind" to VR16, I will just pvp and get there after a while.

I do wonder how the system will be implemented, mainly the following points:
-Where will VR16 enemies be located, only in new zones and Imperial City or also in Cyrodiil delves, Craglorn etc?
-Where will VR16 gear drop, and will AP items (like Band of Cyrodiil's Light, Arch Mage, Ravager etc) become VR16?
-Will we need new crafting materials to make VR16 gear?
-How and where will we be able to get items with new traits? Gina said there will be a trait which increases ultimate gain for example.
-Will Sorcs, DKs and Templars be nerfed again and NBs buffed even more?

RinaldoGandolphi · July 2015

Removing Vet ranks isn't rocket science.

Just set everything to level 50, set armor stats the same, and base gear progression/choice off 3, 4, and 5 piece bonuses Then some of the current Vet 10 Sets would actually be used, we would have much more gear variety in game.

Creating new content to go with the new sets would help too.....just thinking about another Vet rank grind...makes me wanna....

bosmern_ESO · July 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Skiserony wrote: »

What really? I don't really care about more vet ranks, what I'm worried about is my gear, it has cost a lot of money and the are all legendary. Now I gotta do it all over again? Seriously?

we already knew that we were going to get new armor with the new content. so you were going to change your armor regardless of the level.

Please, as a human being, try and think for two seconds before spouting some nonsense about us regearing anyways. You speak as if no one uses crafted sets. You speak as if whatever handful of new dropped sets come out will entirely outmode anything people wear currently. I would hope you would admit how blatantly wrong both of those suppositions are.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

V16 is probably going to be only for the new sets and crafted sets. If they leave max level at V14 and release new sets everyone will continue using the sets they already have, V16 will force them to get new sets to not only stack one stat.

Which is really good IMO

Coherence. Your post lacks it. You appear to be trying to say that it's good for ZOS to force us to grind more and get new gear, and that we wouldn't be doing that if the new gear was v14. In what world does that make sense? V16 or not, the only thing that will incentivise us to get it is if the set bonuses are worth it - ie. better than what we have now.

Those that are V14 currently will be leveled to V16. Wont need to grind to it and ZoS said that they don't like the current armor sets because most of them arent good and everyone is using the same sets, with the ones that are coming out in a future patch is "for your play style".

Jules · July 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Skiserony wrote: »

What really? I don't really care about more vet ranks, what I'm worried about is my gear, it has cost a lot of money and the are all legendary. Now I gotta do it all over again? Seriously?

we already knew that we were going to get new armor with the new content. so you were going to change your armor regardless of the level.

Please, as a human being, try and think for two seconds before spouting some nonsense about us regearing anyways. You speak as if no one uses crafted sets. You speak as if whatever handful of new dropped sets come out will entirely outmode anything people wear currently. I would hope you would admit how blatantly wrong both of those suppositions are.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

V16 is probably going to be only for the new sets and crafted sets. If they leave max level at V14 and release new sets everyone will continue using the sets they already have, V16 will force them to get new sets to not only stack one stat.

Which is really good IMO

Coherence. Your post lacks it. You appear to be trying to say that it's good for ZOS to force us to grind more and get new gear, and that we wouldn't be doing that if the new gear was v14. In what world does that make sense? V16 or not, the only thing that will incentivise us to get it is if the set bonuses are worth it - ie. better than what we have now.

Those that are V14 currently will be leveled to V16. Wont need to grind to it and ZoS said that they don't like the current armor sets because most of them arent good and everyone is using the same sets, with the ones that are coming out in a future patch is "for your play style".

Annnd the lie detector determined that was a lie!

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3bwwem/vr16_confirmed/
Look for ZOS Gina Bruno.

Ryuho · July 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Personally I dont care about the "grind" to VR16, I will just pvp and get there after a while.

I do wonder how the system will be implemented, mainly the following points:
-Where will VR16 enemies be located, only in new zones and Imperial City or also in Cyrodiil delves, Craglorn etc?
-Where will VR16 gear drop, and will AP items (like Band of Cyrodiil's Light, Arch Mage, Ravager etc) become VR16?
-Will we need new crafting materials to make VR16 gear?
-How and where will we be able to get items with new traits? Gina said there will be a trait which increases ultimate gain for example.
-Will Sorcs, DKs and Templars be nerfed again and NBs buffed even more?

DK - 28m ranged obsidian, man it will be OP !!! so buff
Temp - fixed charge and faster BoL animation, OP !!! so buff
Sorc - stamina version of mighty storm armor OMG!! Just imagine it, so buff.. streak is simply fixed... hello?
Nb - fixed cloak, finally... so buff

Imo evry class get a buff.. YUPI

But seriously, fail way to go ZOS

Alomar · July 2015

ZOS appears to be clueless at this point. They literally just added an immersion breaking mount that I would expect to see in a Final Fantasy game to ESO, in a game they specifically limited the UI and other features to increase the immersion of. They just don't stand for anything anymore, it's clear they're simply untrustworthy and incapable of doing anything to retain us at this point.

GG when the next AAA mmo comes out.

RoamingRiverElk · July 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

The biggest problem with this addition is it confirms the suspicions that ZOS has no idea what the heck they are doing and their lack of ability and willingness to execute on a vision. The vet grind always sucked and was a problem since day 1. They change that and start working on a massive overhaul in the Champion System to eliminate vet ranks. Now they are going to add 2 vet levels to a system they were supposedly working on removing? Add to that their huge delay in bringing this to console, their long delays of adding new content they previewed at QuakeCon 2014, their constant changes in XP gain and Vet level requirements and the change from subscription to B2P. This shoes that the leadership in this company is out of touch and completely incompetent. I actually feel sorry for the folks working there who are doing the actual work because the huge shifts in direction does nothing but add more work to to an obviously talented yet understaffed group.

This.

Higher vet ranks will bring us...

...more possible progress by grinding exp (not needed, covered by the champion system)
...a longer grind (I know they reduce the required exp, but they could do so without adding more ranks just as well)
...more attributes (not needed, if it wasn't only 2 levels it could have a very negative impact)

what the heck were they thinking?

They were thinking, ITEM CHASE!

But perhaps that is what is needed for economy to not become stagnant.

OtarTheMad · July 2015

The grind doesn't bother me much but what does is not knowing what sets to use anymore. Did they give information on what the new sets are? How many are being introduced?

If they all require 9 traits then that forces me to finally get nirnhoned researched on everything and not just a few pcs. here and there.