Are we EVER going to get a patch that actually has CONTENT in it?

Huggernaut · June 2015

Seriously, I get more content from the F2P games I play then I do in this game that I actually had to buy (and used to sub to).

How do you expect people to cough up money for ESO+ when you give us patches that have a handful of bug fixes in them like twice a month and nothing else of note?

Seriously, this has been going on for the better part of a year now and enough is enough.

Before you said "oh woe is us, we are so bogged down by all the console release stuff" blah blah blah

Well consoles are out now, so how about some friggin content updates for a change? You guys are taking a promising title and driving it into the ground at light speed.

Exactly how long do you expect people to put up with this crap?

//rant

VictoriaRachel · June 2015

No. I honestly do not. I expect that content will be contained within DLC. Patches will only contain fluff and polish.

spawn10459 · June 2015

This game has content? Where is it.. did i miss it?

LatinLegacy · June 2015

I believe you should be looking forward to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_u89Q5F89k

Huggernaut · June 2015

LatinLegacy wrote: »

I believe you should be looking forward to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_u89Q5F89k

Why? so I can listen to them jerk us around for another year with cats and dresses in the cash shop instead of actually giving us something to do in the game?

spawn10459 · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

LatinLegacy wrote: »

I believe you should be looking forward to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_u89Q5F89k

Why? so I can listen to them jerk us around for another year with cats and dresses in the cash shop instead of actually giving us something to do in the game?

MONEY> Content.

I could have told you this 1 month after the game released and i even said it was going to go F2P.

LatinLegacy · June 2015

You will just need to learn how to be more patient. That &/or play other games in the mean time & come back to ESO when new content is available. I've been playing MMORPG's since the 90's. A time when some games saw no new content until an actual expansion was released. This did not include the occasional holiday event which were always small & cosmetic. Developers today have to work a whole lot harder to push out content in a timely fashion. In fact, some push out content a little too fast which often leads to more problems. ESO is not some small 2D/3D craptastic eastern based MMO where they can dump out content since it's a lot easier to accomplish. I am perfectly fine for waiting as long as is necessary for something new to come out. I have quite a few other MMORPG's to play in the meantime. As well as The Witcher 3 & Arkham Knight to play

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Huggernaut · June 2015

The F2P argument is BS.

Do me a favour and google Marvel Heroes, then look at their patch notes.

Then look at ours.

That is a completely 100% free to play game, no money down, no purchases ever need to be made to play, ever. All from a small company.

Now look at our patch notes, supposedly from a triple A title MMO, backed from a massive company with a HUGE budget, that does require people to actually buy the game AND has a subscription model still attached to it for further benefits plus the cash shop on top of that.

How the heck are we not supposed to be pissed off?

Gandrhulf_Harbard · June 2015

And lol at @LatinLegacy yeah, we should look forward to content that was showcased over a year ago just because they re-release the same trailer?

My god, the game is barely 18 months old and they are already doing re-runs of lies they already told us!

This is something to get excited about?

No, its something to get angry about.

All The Best

Huggernaut · June 2015

LatinLegacy wrote: »

You will just need to learn how to be more patient. .

I think we were playing different fackin games then.

I remember very vividly large amounts of content each month while playing Asheron's Call 1, or Anarchy Online, hell even Everquest with there millions of expansion packs still regularly added content monthly.

As for being patient, I think we have already demonstrated a massive amount of patience over the past year while we basically beta tested the game for console releases, most us paying them for that privilege.

Exactly when does patience cross the line into stupidity?

Seafoam_hydra · June 2015

The reality of the industry is that the ROI of a content patch is much lower than the ROI of a DLC. Adding new content to a DLC is a much much better investment than adding content to a patch which is transparent to most potential buyers.

You really shouldn't expect too many content patches. A patch in this game is exactly what it is, a patch, fix stuff. If you want more content, wait for DLCs.

You may not like it, but that's how businesses usually work.

Huggernaut · June 2015

Bacongineer wrote: »

The reality of the industry is that the ROI of a content patch is much lower than the ROI of a DLC. Adding new content to a DLC is a much much better investment than adding content to a patch which is transparent to most potential buyers.

You really shouldn't expect too many content patches. A patch in this game is exactly what it is, a patch, fix stuff. If you want more content, wait for DLCs.

You may not like it, but that's how businesses usually work.

and it's that kind of sheeple attitude that allows game companies to gouge us more and more every year.

Thanks!

BuggeX · June 2015

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you got 2 weeks ago a Content Feature called Psjik Ambrosia

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spawn10459 · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

The F2P argument is BS.

Do me a favour and google Marvel Heroes, then look at their patch notes.

Then look at ours.

That is a completely 100% free to play game, no money down, no purchases ever need to be made to play, ever. All from a small company.

Now look at our patch notes, supposedly from a triple A title MMO, backed from a massive company with a HUGE budget, that does require people to actually buy the game AND has a subscription model still attached to it for further benefits plus the cash shop on top of that.

How the heck are we not supposed to be pissed off?

Marvel Heroes is an example for future games. The turn around time for content in that game is amazing.

LatinLegacy · June 2015

I know what Marvel Heroes is & that is a god awful comparison. For one, it's an ARPG with MMO features, not an MMORPG. Secondly, that level of design in that game is amateurish compared to the scale that ESO is. Pushing content out on a game like Marvel Heroes is effortless seeing how simplistic it is. That's like comparing Minesweeper to Minecraft.

Seafoam_hydra · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

Bacongineer wrote: »

The reality of the industry is that the ROI of a content patch is much lower than the ROI of a DLC. Adding new content to a DLC is a much much better investment than adding content to a patch which is transparent to most potential buyers.

You really shouldn't expect too many content patches. A patch in this game is exactly what it is, a patch, fix stuff. If you want more content, wait for DLCs.

You may not like it, but that's how businesses usually work.

and it's that kind of sheeple attitude that allows game companies to gouge us more and more every year.

Thanks!

The industry changes. It might not have been that way 10 years ago, but now it is. The goal is to make money.

Content patches = low ROI, DLC = high ROI

You can argue that this is a sheeple attitude, I call it being realist to the current market situation.

Enodoc · June 2015

July starts tomorrow. I would reserve your rant for the middle of July, as they have stated they will be providing more info on upcoming content in July.

Huggernaut · June 2015

LatinLegacy wrote: »

I know what Marvel Heroes is & that is a god awful comparison. For one, it's an ARPG with MMO features, not an MMORPG. Secondly, that level of design in that game is amateurish compared to the scale that ESO is. Pushing content out on a game like Marvel Heroes is effortless seeing how simplistic it is. That's like comparing Minesweeper to Minecraft.

Lol, all the devs in that game are extremely active on the forums please, PLEASE, PLEASE go there and tell them that pushing out content in their game is effortless.

I would love to see what they have to reply to that.

Please don't even bother replying here anymore, the grown ups are talking.

Zheg · June 2015

VictoriaRachel wrote: »

No. I honestly do not. I expect that content will be contained within DLC. Patches will only contain fluff and polish and introduce new bugs because ZOS doesn't QA/QC their work nor use PTS.

There, I fixed it for you.

Seafoam_hydra · June 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

July starts tomorrow. I would reserve your rant for the middle of July, as they have stated they will be providing more info on upcoming content in July.

Better keep it for the beginning of August. If one says the info will be given in July, it might as well be the 30th and it will still be in July.

snowmanflvb14_ESO · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

LatinLegacy wrote: »

You will just need to learn how to be more patient. .

I think we were playing different fackin games then.

I remember very vividly large amounts of content each month while playing Asheron's Call 1, or Anarchy Online, hell even Everquest with there millions of expansion packs still regularly added content monthly.

As for being patient, I think we have already demonstrated a massive amount of patience over the past year while we basically beta tested the game for console releases, most us paying them for that privilege.

Exactly when does patience cross the line into stupidity?

EQ did not add content monthly. It add expansion once a year.

Huggernaut · June 2015

Bacongineer wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

Bacongineer wrote: »

The reality of the industry is that the ROI of a content patch is much lower than the ROI of a DLC. Adding new content to a DLC is a much much better investment than adding content to a patch which is transparent to most potential buyers.

You really shouldn't expect too many content patches. A patch in this game is exactly what it is, a patch, fix stuff. If you want more content, wait for DLCs.

You may not like it, but that's how businesses usually work.

and it's that kind of sheeple attitude that allows game companies to gouge us more and more every year.

Thanks!

The industry changes. It might not have been that way 10 years ago, but now it is. The goal is to make money.

Content patches = low ROI, DLC = high ROI

You can argue that this is a sheeple attitude, I call it being realist to the current market situation.

You are proving my point for me, thank you.

It's because people like yourself (sheeple) find ways to justify game companies actions, that they have been able to steadily increase the pace at which they attempt to screw us over, year by year, over the past 10+ years and they continue to grow more bold every year because people like yourself just go (shrug).

If some people actually decided to grow a brain and stopped giving companies that are screwing over their populations, maybe they'd wisen up and actually start acting like proper companies again.

KerinKor · June 2015

VictoriaRachel wrote: »

No. I honestly do not. I expect that content will be contained within DLC. Patches will only contain fluff and polish.

I don't call important bug fixes "fluff and polish" and that's largely all these 'hotfixes' are.

dreatern · June 2015

Guild Wars 2 is a B2P MMO and they are aways adding new content, events and things.
Now they will release a huge expansion (not a micro DLC).

JD2013 · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

Bacongineer wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

Bacongineer wrote: »

The reality of the industry is that the ROI of a content patch is much lower than the ROI of a DLC. Adding new content to a DLC is a much much better investment than adding content to a patch which is transparent to most potential buyers.

You really shouldn't expect too many content patches. A patch in this game is exactly what it is, a patch, fix stuff. If you want more content, wait for DLCs.

You may not like it, but that's how businesses usually work.

and it's that kind of sheeple attitude that allows game companies to gouge us more and more every year.

Thanks!

The industry changes. It might not have been that way 10 years ago, but now it is. The goal is to make money.

Content patches = low ROI, DLC = high ROI

You can argue that this is a sheeple attitude, I call it being realist to the current market situation.

You are proving my point for me, thank you.

It's because people like yourself (sheeple) find ways to justify game companies actions, that they have been able to steadily increase the pace at which they attempt to screw us over, year by year, over the past 10+ years and they continue to grow more bold every year because people like yourself just go (shrug).

If some people actually decided to grow a brain and stopped giving companies that are screwing over their populations, maybe they'd wisen up and actually start acting like proper companies again.

You actually used the term sheeple. Really? I mean ... really?

LatinLegacy · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

LatinLegacy wrote: »

I know what Marvel Heroes is & that is a god awful comparison. For one, it's an ARPG with MMO features, not an MMORPG. Secondly, that level of design in that game is amateurish compared to the scale that ESO is. Pushing content out on a game like Marvel Heroes is effortless seeing how simplistic it is. That's like comparing Minesweeper to Minecraft.

Lol, all the devs in that game are extremely active on the forums please, PLEASE, PLEASE go there and tell them that pushing out content in their game is effortless.

I would love to see what they have to reply to that.

Please don't even bother replying here anymore, the grown ups are talking.

It's true unless you're oblivious to game design. Which I assume you are. While I have not designed a full blown game myself, I have worked with game engines since the 90's. Mainly, the original unreal engine where I designed some maps & assisted in some more lower profile mods while I was in HS into University. I can be sat down with both games & even with my minimal programming knowledge, since I was a Computer Science minor, I can GUARANTEE I would have a much easier time creating content with the engine that Marvel Heroes uses. So my statement still stands, it's simplistic & I would gladly post it on their forums when directly compared to ESO.

Seafoam_hydra · June 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

Bacongineer wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

Bacongineer wrote: »

The reality of the industry is that the ROI of a content patch is much lower than the ROI of a DLC. Adding new content to a DLC is a much much better investment than adding content to a patch which is transparent to most potential buyers.

You really shouldn't expect too many content patches. A patch in this game is exactly what it is, a patch, fix stuff. If you want more content, wait for DLCs.

You may not like it, but that's how businesses usually work.

and it's that kind of sheeple attitude that allows game companies to gouge us more and more every year.

Thanks!

The industry changes. It might not have been that way 10 years ago, but now it is. The goal is to make money.

Content patches = low ROI, DLC = high ROI

You can argue that this is a sheeple attitude, I call it being realist to the current market situation.

You are proving my point for me, thank you.

It's because people like yourself (sheeple) find ways to justify game companies actions, that they have been able to steadily increase the pace at which they attempt to screw us over, year by year, over the past 10+ years and they continue to grow more bold every year because people like yourself just go (shrug).

If some people actually decided to grow a brain and stopped giving companies that are screwing over their populations, maybe they'd wisen up and actually start acting like proper companies again.

Businesses don't work for free and they certainly don't really care about a customer which brings in low money. You can complain all you want that you are getting screwed over, but that's how the world works, and if you really want to change the gaming industry, then start a company, work for free (content patches) and hope everyone sees you as the savior of gaming and buys your game before you default.

Huggernaut · June 2015

snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

LatinLegacy wrote: »

You will just need to learn how to be more patient. .

I think we were playing different fackin games then.

I remember very vividly large amounts of content each month while playing Asheron's Call 1, or Anarchy Online, hell even Everquest with there millions of expansion packs still regularly added content monthly.

As for being patient, I think we have already demonstrated a massive amount of patience over the past year while we basically beta tested the game for console releases, most us paying them for that privilege.

Exactly when does patience cross the line into stupidity?

EQ did not add content monthly. It add expansion once a year.

Not true.

Yes, they did add expansions more or less every year, but they also did a lot of other things on a monthly basis, such as:

- major overhauls of systems
- graphical updates
- new npc models
- new dungeons / items
- new AA's (alternate advancements)
- new missions (quests)
- new game systems
- etc

All this coming from one of the most notoriously tight fisted companies in existence (SOE, Makes EA look like santa claus!).

Seriously, google "triple A MMO" then, every game that is on that list, go look at the patch notes.

That is what we should be getting, instead we get a handful of bug fixes bi-monthly, it's insulting!

Heromofo · June 2015

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

And lol at @LatinLegacy yeah, we should look forward to content that was showcased over a year ago just because they re-release the same trailer?

My god, the game is barely 18 months old and they are already doing re-runs of lies they already told us!

This is something to get excited about?

No, its something to get angry about.

All The Best

I will add this into this thread:
The Soon List

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEvfX1gPa_4

This video includes known "zones" to be in production for The Elder Scrolls Online:

Orsinium (formerly Wrothgar)
Murkmire
Clockwork City
Abah's Landing
Mephala's Realm

We also have
Imperial City
Spell crafting
thieves guild
dark brotherhood
phase 2 of the justice system
veteran removal
etc etc etc srsly the list of promises is insane its kinda why pc players are ticked off.

This was last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Last year's soon list is this year's soon list.

How Zenimax gets away with it or just dont care is beyond me.

548,000 people have clicked like on eso on psn (you have to own it to like it).
Now not crown store,xbox,pc,subscription and the amount of people who have not clicked like on it via psn (not everyone does).

At 60 dollars a game ( Australia alone pays 80-110)

Its still $ 32,880,000 from a section of sales

How is this not enough alone to hire some more people and get some content cranking.

Every 6-8 months I'd expect a dlc containing atleast ( 1 new zone, 5-10 new features (i.e player housing) 1 new trial 2 new dungeons including veteran of both) minimum.

Zenimax needs to sort things out badly

spawn10459 · June 2015

LatinLegacy wrote: »

I know what Marvel Heroes is & that is a god awful comparison. For one, it's an ARPG with MMO features, not an MMORPG. Secondly, that level of design in that game is amateurish compared to the scale that ESO is. Pushing content out on a game like Marvel Heroes is effortless seeing how simplistic it is. That's like comparing Minesweeper to Minecraft.

your joking right.

I guess this is why MH makes more Money then ZOS?

Seafoam_hydra · June 2015

spawn10459 wrote: »

LatinLegacy wrote: »

I know what Marvel Heroes is & that is a god awful comparison. For one, it's an ARPG with MMO features, not an MMORPG. Secondly, that level of design in that game is amateurish compared to the scale that ESO is. Pushing content out on a game like Marvel Heroes is effortless seeing how simplistic it is. That's like comparing Minesweeper to Minecraft.

your joking right.

I guess this is why MH makes more Money then ZOS?

They most certainly do not.