Don´t doing your job in group

flexiboolder074 · June 2015

Hello,

I just started playing eso and I´m playing on the ps4. I´m around lvl 20 right now and I like to do group dungeons. Personaly I´m a tank dk and I like it. however almost every group I get in nobody does their job. The healer isn´t healing but is doing DPS. the damage dealers are just messing around. I normaly love PVE in a group but i is getting frustrating now.

My question is, isn´t there a way to let these people do their jobs? like a kick from group or something.

Don´t watch my English, I´m not very good at it.

flexiboolder074 · June 2015

and are there more people that have this problem?

newtinmpls · June 2015

The 'job' in ESO is a little different than it is in other MMOs and MMORPGs. I'm basing this on watching too many youtube videos explaining that.

In other games the tank maybe has it a little easier.. But ESO has no AoE taunts, and if you taunt more than...I think it's 3 times in 12 seconds the Boss then becomes immune to further taunting for the rest of the fight.

In other games the tank doesn't have to worry about self-heals or healing potions. In ESO if you don't get your behind 'out of the red', there is no healer in the world that can keep you alive.

In ESO if the healer spams healing, they will run out of magicka. By using attacks in between healing - in ESO - they regenerate some of the magicka - so it's important to do.

There is more, but nevertheless your main point is valid. If the group is not communicating (however - be it voice chat or teamspeak or even skype) and you are just dying a lot and frustrated - then this is not the group for you.

flexiboolder074 · June 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

The 'job' in ESO is a little different than it is in other MMOs and MMORPGs. I'm basing this on watching too many youtube videos explaining that.

In other games the tank maybe has it a little easier.. But ESO has no AoE taunts, and if you taunt more than...I think it's 3 times in 12 seconds the Boss then becomes immune to further taunting for the rest of the fight.

In other games the tank doesn't have to worry about self-heals or healing potions. In ESO if you don't get your behind 'out of the red', there is no healer in the world that can keep you alive.

In ESO if the healer spams healing, they will run out of magicka. By using attacks in between healing - in ESO - they regenerate some of the magicka - so it's important to do.

There is more, but nevertheless your main point is valid. If the group is not communicating (however - be it voice chat or teamspeak or even skype) and you are just dying a lot and frustrated - then this is not the group for you.

I have watched a lot of YouTube videos as wel and I think I know how to tank. I taunt 2 or 3 enemy´s with the biggest treat. and I don´t need healing all the time, it is just that a lot of people fill in at the group finder that they are an healer but than roll a destro staaf and don´t even have 1 healing skill. I think they do this to get a group faster but it is annoying if you are fighting a boss. Because you are taking almost every hit and in a short fight thats no problem. in longer fight however at some point you need some healing and most of the time there isn´t a healer.

newtinmpls · June 2015

flexiboolder074 wrote: »

[ I think I know how to tank. I taunt 2 or 3 enemy´s with the biggest treat. and I don´t need healing all the time

You don't specify; probably you also know that especially with enemies that have things like firebreath or cone/frontal attacks, you need to keep them turned away from the rest of the group. Sometimes this means backing away slowly so the DPS's can nail them from behind.

flexiboolder074 wrote: »

it is just that a lot of people fill in at the group finder that they are an healer but than roll a destro staaf and don´t even have 1 healing skill. I think they do this to get a group faster but it is annoying if you are fighting a boss. Because you are taking almost every hit and in a short fight thats no problem. in longer fight however at some point you need some healing and most of the time there isn´t a healer.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there is a range on healing, so you have to taunt well enough that the healer can get in close to you.

I've never seen anyone claim to be a healer with NO healing skills - I've had quite a few instances where there was no templar available in PvE so one of us would equip a resto staff (most times even if you are totally new you can get the first two skills open shortly); less versatility than a Templar in terms of what you can do - and you definetly can't do it unless the group stays sorta together; which can be hard with PUGs.

On the other hand, most classes have some sort of self-heal or damage mitigation; the sorc can summon a Twilight matriarch or use Hardened Ward, the NB can use siphon, the DK can use green dragon blood and everyone can use healing potions. It's all about good communication.

flexiboolder074 · June 2015

Thanks for replying but you´re not getting my question.

I know how the healing and tanking in this game works, but it is the thing that a lot of people don´t do what they supposed to do. I also have a dps NB and when is play with that caracter I had a lot of times that our tank was sombody with a bow an light-medium armor and don´t even tryed to tank (just diong dps). There should be something like in wow that you all can vote to kick a member from the group and there isn´t.

newtinmpls · June 2015

Then to answer your original question, no, there is no way to get everyone to do their assigned job.

The group leader can kick any member out of the group, but there is no 'voting'.

I'm sorry to hear you are having such bad experiences.

For me, I don't bother to group unless it's with friends. In that instance sometimes we have the various 'roles'; but mostly we don't.

One group is Altmer/Sorc/DPS, Altmer/Sorc/DPS&Healer (she does a wicked blood altar too), Bosmer/NB/DPS (absolutely awesome sniping), and Altmer DK/Tank. There is such high DPS overall that most dungeons are a walk.

Another group (same four players, different characters) is Orc/Sorc/Tank&DPS, Breton/Templar/Healer, Redguard/DK/Tank, Redgard/Templar/Archer/DPS&backup healer. This group has a much lower total/overally DPS so we struggle with most dungeons.

In both cases we use either teamspeak or skype so everyone can hear everyone else and overall we play well with each other (even when we crash and burn). I suspect it would be kind of funny to listen to the running commentary.

"Get out of the red! Get out of the red!" (often I'm talking to myself)

"I'm backed up in a corner, I've got nowhere to go"

"Don't worry. I've got you. I've got you." (healer)

"Where the hell did that boss dissapear to?"

"Okay, radiant destruction coming up"

"Adds!!"

"Anybody got an ultimate ready?"

"Timer - we are out of time" (usually for major bosses, there is a de facto timer of increasingly un-survivable spawns of adds. You would not beleive how long it took us all to figure that out).

"So do we rez here or go back to the wayshrine?"

"Um...what can we do different?"

tiamak · June 2015

I cannot comment on the console servers. If you played on PC, I'd say, get into a guild and stay away from PUGs for a while. This will most likely get better once you are in the upper levels.

flexiboolder074 · June 2015

thank you for your answers!!

Alcast · June 2015

There is a lot of noobs in the game.

If you want to get a decent standard then join a Guild or get a 4man Group together with which you can play daily to get up to a good standard