Someone in charge man up before it's too late ...
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I get the feeling that ZOS are busy re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic .
every time they "fix" something it creates more problems than it solves.
if you want some examples heres a few of many
now add that to the extensive list of things that have been broken since beta. Throw in some very bad design choices . You have a game that started with so much promise and is going to hell in a hand cart.
now what I would like to see is a full and frank statement from someone high up admitting responsibility for some of these issues and letting us know they feel where we're coming from and what they intend doing about it..
give us a reason to hope. Right now my opening sentence sums up what i feel is going on. Either that or somone is so utterly pig headed and blinkered to the way this game is being experienced by many of its customers that they can't see the problem. Even then i'd still respect them more if they came out and showed the courage of theri convictions. Convince us they have a vision that we can buy into , or at least try..
right now i see nothing that makes me think they are either willing or able to take the bull by the horns and make any radical changes in direction ..... if this game flops it will be such a waste. I will take no joy in seeing that happen.
Edited by hamon on June 3, 2014 1:47AM every time they "fix" something it creates more problems than it solves.
if you want some examples heres a few of many
- PVP the servers are less stable now than in beta. thats not acceptable and screams ineptitude.
- the "accidental" buffing of pve vet mobs (still not been reverted properly)
- ninja breaking templar jabs as part of what i,m convinced was a cack handed attempt to mess up bots, otherwise why even tamper with it at all? there was ZERO clamour for this to be messed with on the forums. except maybe templars asking for a buff. Again the fact this was even given any time at all screams utter insanity as a priority in the face of the multitude of much more pressing issues.
- the utter refusal to address the stamina versus magika glaring issue that has been highlighted and was predicted months ago. no acknowledgment that they are even treating this as an issue needing adressed
- the complete homogenization of play styles.. again this was predicted and highlighted months ago (not least by myself in many threads) due to only 1 type of armour and one type of weapon being viable for vet mode. light armour staffs or gimp basically is the choice you face.
now add that to the extensive list of things that have been broken since beta. Throw in some very bad design choices . You have a game that started with so much promise and is going to hell in a hand cart.
now what I would like to see is a full and frank statement from someone high up admitting responsibility for some of these issues and letting us know they feel where we're coming from and what they intend doing about it..
give us a reason to hope. Right now my opening sentence sums up what i feel is going on. Either that or somone is so utterly pig headed and blinkered to the way this game is being experienced by many of its customers that they can't see the problem. Even then i'd still respect them more if they came out and showed the courage of theri convictions. Convince us they have a vision that we can buy into , or at least try..
right now i see nothing that makes me think they are either willing or able to take the bull by the horns and make any radical changes in direction ..... if this game flops it will be such a waste. I will take no joy in seeing that happen.
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Ragekniv✭✭✭Well said sir, you're preaching to the congregation!
Now lets all hold our breath and see who turns blue first!Edited by Ragekniv on June 3, 2014 1:50AM2 -
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✭i'm hoping to prompt a proper "state of the game" post from someone high up at zos. ive played other MMO's where even when stuff was going bad or the forums were angry someone in charge still faced it , took the flak and tryed to make folk feel they were being listened to and they valued our money and effort... i just don'e get that here from zos2 -
Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
Since Zenimax isn’t a publicly trading company, I don’t expect things to change in a timely manner (no stock holders to answer too).
Hopefully I am wrong. I like this game and I feel it has a lot of potential. I hope they can turn things around before the servers turn into a ghost town.
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Mortosk✭✭✭✭And then Jay Wilson pops out of a cake to explain the state of the game...
Wait and see! It's coming. Really."Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)1 -
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✭✭mrwilson714_ESO wrote: »Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
This link - ZOS ex-employee reviews on Glass Doors was posted a while back by someone, which basically says just that.- Cons – * Upper Management is very conservative, outdated, disconnected from workforce and filled with power driven egos
* Feels more like an "Empire" than a meritocracy
* Unrealistic expectations in terms of performance
* Maximum accountability with little operational support
* Bureaucracy and politics on expenses - Cons – No sick days. Terrible management, ego-filled leads and sub-par pay.
Advice to Senior Management – Come down from your high heavens and actually realize the ego-situation going on down here.
And other stuff.
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✭mrwilson714_ESO wrote: »Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
Since Zenimax isn’t a publicly trading company, I don’t expect things to change in a timely manner (no stock holders to answer too).
Hopefully I am wrong. I like this game and I feel it has a lot of potential. I hope they can turn things around before the servers turn into a ghost town.
Come back to reality. Step outside and get some fresh air. Take a deep breath, and then read what you wrote and realize that these ideas were created in your head and you probably have no clue how development works. Then leave the computer alone for a day or so and head to the gym and burn that stress off. Come back home and realize that you play video games way too much.3 -
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✭mrwilson714_ESO wrote: »Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
Since Zenimax isn’t a publicly trading company, I don’t expect things to change in a timely manner (no stock holders to answer too).
Hopefully I am wrong. I like this game and I feel it has a lot of potential. I hope they can turn things around before the servers turn into a ghost town.
yes i think something is wrong , the lack of anyone even trying to come and communicate properly is terrible PR. leaving forum moderators to just drip feed contencious patch notes like a band aid for an amputation is pityfull for a AAA title with a monthly sub.
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Yankee✭✭✭✭I play the game, and like the game.
But you have many valid points that ZOS should address to the paying customer. Many people would take the long road, and stick around if there was a plan laid out by the company.
However, that would require the company to actually communicate.
And that is something they seem unwilling or unable to do.
Someone on another thread had a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that the PC crowd are only throw away beta testers for future console players. We were suckered into paying for the game and a sub to be guinea pigs. Nonsense.....right?
Not Vet mode, nor bugs, nor bots will make me cancel. It will eventually be the almost total silence from this developer that does that. I do not know if they are arrogant or ignorant or just incompetent, but it sucks.
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pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭mrwilson714_ESO wrote: »Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
This link - ZOS ex-employee reviews on Glass Doors was posted a while back by someone, which basically says just that.- Cons – * Upper Management is very conservative, outdated, disconnected from workforce and filled with power driven egos
* Feels more like an "Empire" than a meritocracy
* Unrealistic expectations in terms of performance
* Maximum accountability with little operational support
* Bureaucracy and politics on expenses - Cons – No sick days. Terrible management, ego-filled leads and sub-par pay.
Advice to Senior Management – Come down from your high heavens and actually realize the ego-situation going on down here.
And other stuff.
So just like every business in every industry?
Internal company politics are irrelevant. Their products and services are all that matter.Edited by pecheckler on June 3, 2014 2:12AMEnd the tedious inventory management game.0 - Cons – * Upper Management is very conservative, outdated, disconnected from workforce and filled with power driven egos
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indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭I sure hope some of the angry birds on these forums get their blood pressure checked regularly. Wow.
On another note - linking to -any- ex-employee's "comments" about their ex-employer is -automatically- suspect. 99.9% of the time that employee has an axe to grind, and based on that link babylon provided - yeah, I'd say that guy has a bucket full of them.
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✭✭pecheckler wrote: »mrwilson714_ESO wrote: »Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
This link - ZOS ex-employee reviews on Glass Doors was posted a while back by someone, which basically says just that.- Cons – * Upper Management is very conservative, outdated, disconnected from workforce and filled with power driven egos
* Feels more like an "Empire" than a meritocracy
* Unrealistic expectations in terms of performance
* Maximum accountability with little operational support
* Bureaucracy and politics on expenses - Cons – No sick days. Terrible management, ego-filled leads and sub-par pay.
Advice to Senior Management – Come down from your high heavens and actually realize the ego-situation going on down here.
And other stuff.
So just like every business in every industry?
Internal company politics are irrelevant. Their products and services are all that matter.
And that's why we're all here trying to figure out why they're ballsing it up and how we can communicate with them.
If you're saying all hope is lost because that's how all businesses are everywhere on the land (and that is not the case, some places actually treat their employees well and listen to their customers) then I guess we need to call it a day and all go home?0 - Cons – * Upper Management is very conservative, outdated, disconnected from workforce and filled with power driven egos
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Come back to reality. Step outside and get some fresh air. Take a deep breath, and then read what you wrote and realize that these ideas were created in your head and you probably have no clue how development works. Then leave the computer alone for a day or so and head to the gym and burn that stress off. Come back home and realize that you play video games way too much.
What are you talking about? Maybe you should read some of the stuff on the site linked in the post above yours.
I have been having these thoughts for days. I am not angry or freaking out. And I probably play less than you.
Maybe you should step outside for some fresh air, Take a deep breath and then come back and stop reading things into posts that are not there.0 -
Carnage2K4✭✭✭✭I doubt devs even read the forums... what have we had, like a single dev post so far?.. I't pathetic... Mods are not devs, they can't answer like a dev, they are essentially manned bots...Human Infant Connoisseur0 -
Yankee✭✭✭✭pecheckler wrote: »mrwilson714_ESO wrote: »Sadly I think that the problem is someone higher up in the decision making process.
I think there is an egomaniac calling the shots and making these bad decisions and not willing/able to admit when he/she is wrong. I think the people working under him/her are afraid to speak up due to fear of being reprimanded by said egomaniac.
This link - ZOS ex-employee reviews on Glass Doors was posted a while back by someone, which basically says just that.- Cons – * Upper Management is very conservative, outdated, disconnected from workforce and filled with power driven egos
* Feels more like an "Empire" than a meritocracy
* Unrealistic expectations in terms of performance
* Maximum accountability with little operational support
* Bureaucracy and politics on expenses - Cons – No sick days. Terrible management, ego-filled leads and sub-par pay.
Advice to Senior Management – Come down from your high heavens and actually realize the ego-situation going on down here.
And other stuff.
So just like every business in every industry?
Internal company politics are irrelevant. Their products and services are all that matter.
And that's why we're all here trying to figure out why they're ballsing it up and how we can communicate with them.
If you're saying all hope is lost because that's how all businesses are everywhere on the land (and that is not the case, some places actually treat their employees well and listen to their customers) then I guess we need to call it a day and all go home?
Ya, that is not how my organization operates...and it is the fracking government to boot.
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✭More from the site another poster listed above:Cons – Horrible IT systems. Management paralyzed by bad data, fear of keeping their jobs and general incompetence. Some of the employees in HR are unethical, senior management cannot be trusted, and micro managers are really annoying. Employee benefits are not competitive, time off is extremely limited (10 days), no sick days, and work hours are greater than nine hours a day. Personalities and egos keep others from doing their job in a healthy and productive matter.Edited by GreySix on June 3, 2014 3:27AMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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Foul_Corsair✭✭✭For me the game has been a complete let down so much so that I've stopped playing. Haven't been on for 2 weeks now and that's a shame as I so wanted this to be my main game. But sadly its not to be and though I've not yet ended my sub that is coming.
It simply feels like an unfinished product that they just don't seem to care about.
I can't stand the vet grind, lack of endgame, the class imbalance, the difficulty in grouping, phasing, European server not being in europe, bugs etc etc and if you don't play sorc or DK then, for me, the game is not fun and almost seems to be fighting you.
Then there's the spammers and bots. Never have I seen as many as in this game, never, and I'd go further and say that all the games I've ever played put together don't have as many as this game.
I'm sorry but the game is just mediocre. There is nothing special, nothing new about the game and I just don't want to hang around until they make this game (if they ever do) what it deserved to be and to consider paying for that after the amount of money we've already spent is crazy.
I purchased the digital Imperial version and did so for two reasons. I wanted to be able to play any race on any faction and I thought I'd support the game and its developers a little but I now feel that we're getting nothing in return but a bland, broken game and being charged a monthly sub into the bargain.
And I do understand that there are a lot of players out there who thinks this game is the bees knees (as the saying goes). I'm glad, really. I'd not want to take it away from you but reality must be faced, and coldly faced. This game will go the way of many other games that could have been great (still could if truth be told but they'd need to make some massive changes right now in how they do things).
It will have all the things players want, but at a price. It'll be a cash grab by the company then f2p and anyone that argues it'll never go free to play has their head in the sand.Edited by Foul_Corsair on June 3, 2014 4:04AMwould ya mind if I fired me cannon through your porthole?1 -
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✭yes i have to agree with your analysis. its the utter lack of communication that will be their undoing.. more than bugs and stuff. cos if they would actually talk to us properly many could be convinced to stay longer... most folk playing actually want to believe theres still a vision1 -
Foul_Corsair✭✭✭Foul_Corsair wrote: »For me the game has been a complete let down so much so that I've stopped playing. Haven't been on for 2 weeks now and that's a shame as I so wanted this to be my main game. But sadly its not to be and though I've not yet ended my sub that is coming.
It simply feels like an unfinished product that they just don't seem to care about.
I can't stand the vet grind, lack of endgame, the class imbalance, the difficulty in grouping, phasing, European server not being in europe, bugs etc etc and if you don't play sorc or DK then, for me, the game is not fun and almost seems to be fighting you.
Then there's the spammers and bots. Never have I seen as many as in this game, never, and I'd go further and say that all the games I've ever played put together don't have as many as this game.
I'm sorry but the game is just mediocre. There is nothing special, nothing new about the game and I just don't want to hang around until they make this game (if they ever do) what it deserved to be and to consider paying for that after the amount of money we've already spent is crazy.
I purchased the digital Imperial version and did so for two reasons. I wanted to be able to play any race on any faction and I thought I'd support the game and its developers a little but I now feel that we're getting nothing in return but a bland, broken game and being charged a monthly sub into the bargain.
And I do understand that there are a lot of players out there who thinks this game is the bees knees (as the saying goes). I'm glad, really. I'd not want to take it away from you but reality must be faced, and coldly faced. This game will go the way of many other games that could have been great (still could if truth be told but they'd need to make some massive changes right now in how they do things).
It will have all the things players want, but at a price. It'll be a cash grab by the company then f2p and anyone that argues it'll never go free to play has their head in the sand.
And I was right, lol. F2P
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